Sony KP-51ws500 DOES display 720p.

Sole_Survivor · 01-06-2005, 05:07 PM

Many owners of this TV, have expressed their anger when they read in the owners manual this TV does not does not display a NATIVE 720.

Well I have had a decent conversation with Sony today & I got the lowdown.

On 3 pages ( 8, 28, 39 ) the manual says that this TV CAN display 480p 720p 1080i.

On one of those pages, page 39, it also says that the TV does not display a NATIVE 720.

Right on top of that on the same page 39 it says that the TV displays 720p with the connection of a digital TV receiver.

The term native means the TV is the original source of the signal.

Meaning the TV itself, (it's native tuner) using the composite, S video or the antenna or cable input, such as video games that say to be in 720. It will be automatically down converted to 480p, the original (NATIVE) display capability of the TV.

On page 8 it states that the TV can display 720p, WITH CONNECTION THROUGH VIDEO ports 5 & 6 (Component HD) and 7 (DVI).

It also says on page 28 that component connection is required to display 480p 720p 1080i.

When connecting a digital receiver, that is not the TV's tuner in its native form, you are feeding the TV a non native signal through ANOTHER TUNER through HD inputs, COMPONENT or DVI.

Through these inputs the TV has the capability to scan or produce this outside non native 720p signal.

It is not native because it is outside the realm of the TV's tuner, that would be regular connections, S video, RF. composite and antenna & cable input.

In that small paragraph that says the TV cannot display a native 720p signal, notice it doesn't mention the connection of a digital receiver, neither does it say that the TV cannot display a 720p at all.
It specifically says A NATIVE 720p.

Directly on top of that statement on page 39 it mentions that the TV can display 720p with the connection of digital TV receiver.

I have read many complaints about this. People could not understand why when they go to say... HBO HD, and select 480p, they can use the wide zoom feature that this TV has to crop stretch etc.
However when they would set the box to display 720, the wide zoom feature on this TV would not work. It was obvious that the TV was not down converting it to 480p, if it was they would be able to use the TV's zoom (stretch) feature as they did when the digital receiver was set to 480p.
This is because when the TV was fed the non native 720p signal, it produced its 720p wide screen format, the same as when putting the box in 1080i.

They mentioned native 720p because that was the next step in higher digital format.

The TV cannot dispaly a native 1080i signal as well, but they don't mention that and makes it sound as though the TV just can't produce 720p. They are telling that the TV can't go to the next higher step 720p, NATIVELY.

It is very confusing and after talking to Sony I now understand. They could have put the manual in simpler terms.

But to all owners of HD ready TV's that says the TV can't display 720p natively, remember that has nothing to do with a digital receiver, a non native source.

eoin237 · 01-08-2007, 09:01 PM

I don't know if anyone has looked at this in the last year or so but I figured I would post this just in case anyone else gets curious. I have this TV and was also curious about the ability for it to produce 720p. I read several other articles and posts that state that it downgrades the 720p signal to 480p. If you put the tv into service mode by turning the tv off and pressing "display, 5, volume up and then power it will show you exactly what resolution it is producing. When you do this and give it a 720p signal. You should see that it does indeed downgrade it to 480p, very dissapointing. You will also see that, if you feed it a 1080i format it will say that it is in 1080i mode. I confirmed this tonight with a Sony rep who stated that it is designed to do that. It also says on page 39 of the owners manual that; "When a 720p format signal is received, it is converted into a 480p format signal." I guess my question is why. Isn't 720p lower resolution that 1080i? Is it a software limitation or some kind of hardware limitation?

vakAnime · 09-28-2007, 06:00 PM

THX for this info i have a kp-57hw TV since 2002 and i still cant see anithing in HD

just a 1/2 year ago star the hd transmition in my country but my cable probider dont have the hd service get

Anyone can tell me please if i need a sternal tuner to see HD or only with a regular antena i should see the HD

And please if anyone have the Tecnical manual to move some settings in the kp-57hw or kp-51hw TV please can share with me?

I need to move some settings for example been i see the ZOOM mode if theres is a circule i don´t see a perfect circule i see a elliptical figure

THX for your help

01-06-2005, 05:07 PM	#1
Sole_Survivor Sole Survivor Join Date: Jan 2005 Location: Providence, RI Age: 41 Posts: 119	Sony KP-51ws500 DOES display 720p. Many owners of this TV, have expressed their anger when they read in the owners manual this TV does not does not display a NATIVE 720. Well I have had a decent conversation with Sony today & I got the lowdown. On 3 pages ( 8, 28, 39 ) the manual says that this TV CAN display 480p 720p 1080i. On one of those pages, page 39, it also says that the TV does not display a NATIVE 720. Right on top of that on the same page 39 it says that the TV displays 720p with the connection of a digital TV receiver. The term native means the TV is the original source of the signal. Meaning the TV itself, (it's native tuner) using the composite, S video or the antenna or cable input, such as video games that say to be in 720. It will be automatically down converted to 480p, the original (NATIVE) display capability of the TV. On page 8 it states that the TV can display 720p, WITH CONNECTION THROUGH VIDEO ports 5 & 6 (Component HD) and 7 (DVI). It also says on page 28 that component connection is required to display 480p 720p 1080i. When connecting a digital receiver, that is not the TV's tuner in its native form, you are feeding the TV a non native signal through ANOTHER TUNER through HD inputs, COMPONENT or DVI. Through these inputs the TV has the capability to scan or produce this outside non native 720p signal. It is not native because it is outside the realm of the TV's tuner, that would be regular connections, S video, RF. composite and antenna & cable input. In that small paragraph that says the TV cannot display a native 720p signal, notice it doesn't mention the connection of a digital receiver, neither does it say that the TV cannot display a 720p at all. It specifically says A NATIVE 720p. Directly on top of that statement on page 39 it mentions that the TV can display 720p with the connection of digital TV receiver. I have read many complaints about this. People could not understand why when they go to say... HBO HD, and select 480p, they can use the wide zoom feature that this TV has to crop stretch etc. However when they would set the box to display 720, the wide zoom feature on this TV would not work. It was obvious that the TV was not down converting it to 480p, if it was they would be able to use the TV's zoom (stretch) feature as they did when the digital receiver was set to 480p. This is because when the TV was fed the non native 720p signal, it produced its 720p wide screen format, the same as when putting the box in 1080i. They mentioned native 720p because that was the next step in higher digital format. The TV cannot dispaly a native 1080i signal as well, but they don't mention that and makes it sound as though the TV just can't produce 720p. They are telling that the TV can't go to the next higher step 720p, NATIVELY. It is very confusing and after talking to Sony I now understand. They could have put the manual in simpler terms. But to all owners of HD ready TV's that says the TV can't display 720p natively, remember that has nothing to do with a digital receiver, a non native source. Last edited by Sole_Survivor; 01-06-2005 at 05:12 PM.

01-08-2007, 09:01 PM	#2
eoin237 What is HD? Join Date: Jan 2007 Posts: 1	I don't know if anyone has looked at this in the last year or so but I figured I would post this just in case anyone else gets curious. I have this TV and was also curious about the ability for it to produce 720p. I read several other articles and posts that state that it downgrades the 720p signal to 480p. If you put the tv into service mode by turning the tv off and pressing "display, 5, volume up and then power it will show you exactly what resolution it is producing. When you do this and give it a 720p signal. You should see that it does indeed downgrade it to 480p, very dissapointing. You will also see that, if you feed it a 1080i format it will say that it is in 1080i mode. I confirmed this tonight with a Sony rep who stated that it is designed to do that. It also says on page 39 of the owners manual that; "When a 720p format signal is received, it is converted into a 480p format signal." I guess my question is why. Isn't 720p lower resolution that 1080i? Is it a software limitation or some kind of hardware limitation?

09-28-2007, 06:00 PM	#3
vakAnime What is HD? Join Date: Sep 2007 Posts: 1	THX for this info i have a kp-57hw TV since 2002 and i still cant see anithing in HD just a 1/2 year ago star the hd transmition in my country but my cable probider dont have the hd service get Anyone can tell me please if i need a sternal tuner to see HD or only with a regular antena i should see the HD And please if anyone have the Tecnical manual to move some settings in the kp-57hw or kp-51hw TV please can share with me? I need to move some settings for example been i see the ZOOM mode if theres is a circule i don´t see a perfect circule i see a elliptical figure THX for your help