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Old 07-30-2006, 10:46 PM   #1
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Hi

I'm having a little bit of trouble setting up my new configuration...

I have a HD tv Philips 26" 26PF5320 with HDMI input.
Adelphia HD cable box (No HDMI there) and
DVD Recorder (Philips DVDR3400) with HDMI output.

The setting is the following:
Antenna is plugged to the tv through DVD Recorder through Cable receiver.
Component (PR, Y, PB & Audio L R) from the Cable receiver to the TV.
HDMI is between DVD Recorder and TV. (as it is my only option there...)

The trouble is this:
if I select TV source from my TV, I see everything in good format (but not in HD. I guess that's normal cause it's directly from the antenna signal). So I can change the format of the screen as I want (4:3, 14:9, 16:9 etc)

if I select CVI-1 (SD/HD) (the source from where the component are plugged, the ones familiar with the Philips TV must know what I'm talking about...), I see perfectly the HD channels, but every other channels are presented in widescreen (and I CANNOT change the format of the screen so the image is compressed)

if I select HDMI, (it only works if the DVD recorder is on) that's the worse: EVERYTHING is compressed... every channels from the tv (HD channels included) are compressed. and if I put a DVD, same thing the image is compressed. And again, I can't change the different format from the tv (4:3, 14:9...)

The DVD Recorder has 16:9 setup with 480p, I tried changing that to 480i, 576p, 576i but it always says that my tv doesn't support those resolutions...

So I'm kinda lost in all of these... Actually I can watch every channels (Tv input for everything NON HD and CV1 for everything HD), but how can I record? Or even watch a DVD?? I could always plug the DVDR with component to the tv, but what's the HDMI for then???

So, Thank you very much for any help or suggestions!

Thanx!
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Old 07-31-2006, 11:26 AM   #2
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Hi

I'm having a little bit of trouble setting up my new configuration...

I have a HD tv Philips 26" 26PF5320 with HDMI input.
Adelphia HD cable box (No HDMI there) and
DVD Recorder (Philips DVDR3400) with HDMI output.

The setting is the following:
Antenna is plugged to the tv through DVD Recorder through Cable receiver.
Component (PR, Y, PB & Audio L R) from the Cable receiver to the TV.
HDMI is between DVD Recorder and TV. (as it is my only option there...)

The trouble is this:
if I select TV source from my TV, I see everything in good format (but not in HD. I guess that's normal cause it's directly from the antenna signal). So I can change the format of the screen as I want (4:3, 14:9, 16:9 etc)

if I select CVI-1 (SD/HD) (the source from where the component are plugged, the ones familiar with the Philips TV must know what I'm talking about...), I see perfectly the HD channels, but every other channels are presented in widescreen (and I CANNOT change the format of the screen so the image is compressed)

if I select HDMI, (it only works if the DVD recorder is on) that's the worse: EVERYTHING is compressed... every channels from the tv (HD channels included) are compressed. and if I put a DVD, same thing the image is compressed. And again, I can't change the different format from the tv (4:3, 14:9...)

The DVD Recorder has 16:9 setup with 480p, I tried changing that to 480i, 576p, 576i but it always says that my tv doesn't support those resolutions...

So I'm kinda lost in all of these... Actually I can watch every channels (Tv input for everything NON HD and CV1 for everything HD), but how can I record? Or even watch a DVD?? I could always plug the DVDR with component to the tv, but what's the HDMI for then???

So, Thank you very much for any help or suggestions!

Thanx!
Without knowing your cable box better here is my solution:

Connect the cable directly to your cable box. You will need to tune your cable box to the appropriate channel for recording.

Cable box to HDTV use component cables. You will need red/white audio as well

There should be either an s-video or composite out on your cable box, connect that to your DVD recorder input for recording. Dont forget audio as well. You may need a splitter for the red/white audio.

HDMI output on your DVD recorder to the HDTV. Audio duties use the coax out to a 5.1 receiver assuming you have one. If not then set the HDMI to PCM audio so you can listen to audio on your TV from DVD.

Now for your aspect problems, make sure you tell the DV player that you are using a 16x9 TV.

Hope this helps.
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Old 07-31-2006, 12:03 PM   #3
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There should be either an s-video or composite out on your cable box, connect that to your DVD recorder input for recording. Dont forget audio as well. You may need a splitter for the red/white audio.

Now for your aspect problems, make sure you tell the DV player that you are using a 16x9 TV.
I actually tried the composite from the cable box out to the DVD Recorder and, if I don't have the antenna plugged as well, it can't find any channel or any source... this is the part that I don't understand because if I go out of the cable box to the input of the DVDR, I should have something on the screen...

But actually my main problem in all of this is that when I go with HDMI from the DVDR to TV, it squeezes the image... and again from every channels or even from DVD in playback mode... (and the DVDR is set for 16:9 tv).
And it seems that when I go with composite from the DVDR to TV, the image is fine...
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that's the nature of the beat for dvd-recorders. might as well use s-video out from your cable box to your dvdr instead of composite. s-video or composite though, it will squeeze the image. the 480p output your in right now is also better than 480i. what's happening is that the hd channels are in 1080i or 720p. these will display correctly onto a tv screen when connected through hdmi/ dvi/ component. however when outputing via composite/s-video than it will be shrunk to 480. this is the image squeeze you are seeing. there are ways to get around that though, for playbook. i have a philips tv as well, and it has options to change the aspect ratio when using s-video and composite input. additionally output your dvdr to your TV using s-video and check to see if you can change the apsect ratio to an automatic, superzoom mode, etc. this will resize the image back to full screen.

until they make hd-dvd recorders, this will always be a problem.
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Old 08-01-2006, 01:53 PM   #5
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So what you are actually saying is that there is no use of using HDMI from DVD Recorder to TV because it will squeeze the image anyway?? Cause again, it's not just the channels, all the DVD I'm playing have the image squeezed on the tv if the DVDR is connected to the TV using HDMI. And everything is good if I connect it using composite...

Another thing I don't understand is that I plugged my DVD Recorder using the antenna from the cable box and composite (3 video, 2 audio) but the only signal it gets is the tuner (that means the antenna right?) so eveything is in mono... I don't get that...

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Or just use the firewire on your STB to your PC to get a 1:1 recording in high def.
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Old 08-01-2006, 02:17 PM   #7
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Or just use the firewire on your STB to your PC to get a 1:1 recording in high def.
I have no idea what that means... But I know I don't want to use my PC to record anything...
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Old 10-25-2006, 07:46 AM   #8
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This machine works better than some might suggest.
I have found that when an anamorphic disc is re-recorded from DVD to DVD, the recorder in the record phase does not recognize the anamphoric change and so the pictures record 4:3 compressed.

This is the first machine that I have encountered with Component input and it makes sharp exact copies of any recorded material. That is to say when one goes from component out of a player to component in of the Philips. On another sight there was a complaint that an HD cable box's component output would not record onto the Philips. However this is logical, since at least on my SA 8300 HD cablebox it is always set to 1080i. Remember the output of the cablebox is a pure HD signal and the Philips is only SD. If one copies using the now standard method of recording, which is S-video to S-video it records well. The HD signal is already downconverted to SD.

There was another problem with recording, where sound dropped out or picture/sound sync was off when set to for progressive mode. However I read another blog in which the writer said to set the output from component to interlaced. This solved the problem.

As of the other day there was a firmware upgrade for this DVDR from Philips. I was a bit nervous, since this was the first time I have attempted an upgrade of any DVD unit. However following the directions, I was able to determine that the upgrade was needed and downloaded from the websight zip files to a CDRAM and than successfully downloaded it onto the Philips DVDR 3400. The driver was changed and was able to be seen on a hidden read out on the screen. The machine seems to operate with no problem after the upgrade.

When I connected the HDMI output of the input of my Samsung HDTV, the picture is fantastic. As excellent the component picture, the HDMI adds more detail. There was a complaint that the Philips automatically adjusts to 480P without the upconvergence from the DVDR. This is actually logical since my Samsung always upconverts any input to it's highest resolution (720P on my Samsung). For the $140. I paid for this recorder one would not expect a high end converter and Philips was smart to have the HDTV do this job. It has been my observation that this is always true.

HOWEVER there is ONE MAJOR PROBLEM. For some reason when the HDMI cable is input into the Philips, the digital audio is internally set for the machine to only output DTS 5.1 through the digital sound output to my receiver. Any DD 5.1 output from a DVD is rendered useless and only plays TWO CHANNEL. So, if you happen to be playing one of the few discs that have DTS 5.1, there is wonderful picture and sound.
IF you want to play a DD 5.1 soundtrack, you can have a brilliant picture but loose your DD 5.1. Once you disconnect the HDMI and go back to the component output, the DD 5.1 stream is output again and the DD 5.1 is recognized by my receiver.

PHILIPS has no clear explanation of why this is engineered this way. Only some lame excuse that HDMI can only output one digital signal and it has been set to DTS.

This seems to be false advertising since nowhere on the carton, recorder or Instruction manual mentions this. If this must be the case in the way this low price DVDR has been designed, you would think if they had to make a choice between DD 5.1 or DTS 5.1, that DD 5.1 would have been the logical choice. As great as it is to encounter a DVD with DTS, MOST DVDs have only DD 5.1 and therefore most of the movies should have been able to be watched with the HDMI and the DD 5.1. This would be the ideal set up for 99%of movies viewed if this recorder is used in the play mode. IT MAKES NO SENSE TO ME, and Philps has no clear answer.

The remote is small and the menus complicated, but after a few tries, one can figure it out. I will say that my LITE ON 5005 has simple record playback settings, which makes it easy to copy or play anything. The Philips DVDR3400 takes a lot of time to first read a disc and than a longer time to "update" the disc at the end of the record cycle and THEN you have to be able to find the FINALIZE screen.

So, the recording quality is excellent with 1, 2., 2.5, 3, 4 and 6 hour record speeds. It makes an excellent copy of material with the component input. It will record on most blank DVD discs perfectly.
The picture through the HDMI is wonderful. BUT how ever decided with HDMI that the machine must default to only the DTS 5.1 output was not being logical, considering most of the DVD releases at this time are DD 5.1

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