If you ONLY have cable internet can you still get tv channels?

bicker

The difference Lee is that with cable television, the terms and conditions of your reception of service define such interception of services not paid for as transgressing the agreement. If you don't like that, then don't purchase the service. One of the things consumerists have a hard time understanding is that the mass-market doesn't allow each one of them, millions as they are, to unilaterially impose their own terms and conditions on the one mass-market supplier they all purchase service from. The way a mass-market works is that service is especially affordable specifically because the mass-market supplier builds a standardized service offering that all customers are entitled to patronize, but if they do so they must accept that common offering, not expect to have their own customized service, and especially not to be able to unilaterally impose their own terms and conditions on the mass-market supplier, depriving the supplier of the ability that they themselves have, i.e., to accept or decline.

Lee Stewart

Based on Troys instance . . .

We agree to disagree.

bicker

With what? Some of what I wrote was factual, while some was opinion. Are you saying you disagree with the facts as well as with the opinions? That would be pretty silly.

Lee Stewart

We disagree on the definition of "theft of service" as it pertains to Troy's case. I thought I made that clear.

You aren't going to change your opinion and neither am I.

Hence we agree to disagree.

bicker

So you're saying that it is those specific words you don't like, but you still grant that knowingly receiving services that you aren't paying for is still a transgression (regardless of one decides to label it)... is that it? If we call it a "violation", would that help you agree?

Lee Stewart

Comcast has a device to stop people from receiving more channels than they have paid for. In Troys case - it isn't working as it should 100%. He can still see some channels at a reduced PQ level.

As I have said - that is 100% Comcasts problem and has nothing to do with Troy.

bicker

Yes: Their reasonable and actionable expectation that subscribers comply with the terms and conditions of service.

The police don't station a police officer at every stop sign.

Lee Stewart

What? He shouldn't tune into those 3 channels?

So when you run a stop sign - you call the police and tell them?

Your connect-the-dots arguments are failing.

You are IMO, mixing moral issues with legal issues.

bicker

Correct.

(First, I don't run stop signs. However, if I did...) I don't complain when I'm caught and issued a stiff fine. (And, again, I don't run stop signs, but if I did several times, I wouldn't complain when my license is revoked.)

Not in the slightest. You're simply grasping at straws in a lame and ineffective attempt to avoid the reality I'm outlining.

Not that I'm adverse to doing so, but I'm actually not doing so. This happens to all be about the legal issues.

Lee Stewart

That is NOT an answer to what I posted. I asked if you would report yourself. So please answer that question.

I am standing on planet Earth. Which planet are YOU standing on?

You a lawyer? A representative of Comcast? No? I thought so.

bicker

I won't answer your ludicrous irrelevant question. I haven't suggested anything even remotely akin to that silliness. I'm suggesting that people should comply with the rules (stop at the stop sign/not knowingly tune in channels they don't pay for) and not complain if they're hit with stiff sanctions if they're caught violating the rules (graciously accept and pay the traffic tickets issued/the theft of service sanctions applied to them).

Earth. Again: You're simply grasping at straws in a lame and ineffective attempt to avoid the reality I'm outlining.

Neither. And neither are you. So we're the same in that regard. But that's why I'm surprised that I know remarkably more about this stuff. To be fair to you, I spent a career in the telecom industry (past tense), and even though I don't work for any of those companies anymore, and haven't for many years, I still follow the industry, and especially its regulation (since my jobs in the industry were regulatory in nature) very closely in the press (after all, that's where my pension is).

dan26

does anybody know if they install both internet and phone, can they still trap video? I heard once that they couldn't trap any frequencies if they also have phone.

Lee Stewart

Talk about ludicrous! LMFAO!

1. You think Troy should not watch those 3 channels

2. You think that he should call Comcast and report his situation

I am laugjing at your holier than thou moralistic attitude that as far as I am concerned, is nothing more than PURE

EDITED for drivel removal!

bicker

Your intellectual dishonesty, evidenced in this message, is the most ludicrous thing of all.

Correct. That's what he agreed to. That's what he should do. It's called personal honor and integrity. Living up to one's commitments. Avoiding transgression. Respecting society instead of defecating wherever one wishes.

Now you're just lying. I never said anything of the sort, and even make that clear when you propogated this lie earlier. Stop lying Lee. I know you don't like the ramifications of the truth I'm explaining, but that's tough. Your disappointment doesn't justify your lying.

Which is what someone trying to defend theft and a lie intended to justify that theft, would say.

I'm not holier than thou. It does sound like I'm more honorable and respectful of society.

Lee Stewart

No - that would be you up on your high horse looking down and judging others against a code that you yourself have set up. So who died and made you queen?

Well I guess many of us are just not cut from the same cloth as you are. Very rare to meet the perfect person.

Oh right - I forgot - he shouldn't tune to channels that he is getting for free that he isn't paying for. That to me is like seeing a $20 bill lying in the street and simply walking by it. What a load of crap. You ignore human nature - that is for sure

There we go again - you say it is theft and I disagree and because neither of us are lawyers, there is no way to determine who is right - except YOU have decided that you are right. Like I said - holier than thou.

No - to me all it sounds like is that you want to live up to your name - BICKER. You must cry yourself to sleep each night knowing that your Utopia of a society doesn't exist.