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Old 03-13-2005, 06:46 AM   #1
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First does anyone know the purpose of a cable card? Secondly is anyone using charter with a cable card and having trouble? I had mine installed yesterday and I am getting abc nbc and fox still not getting discoverey and espn in hd.
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Old 03-13-2005, 08:17 AM   #2
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First does anyone know the purpose of a cable card?.
The purpose is to eliminate the need for a STB. While a direct cable connection will give you the unencrypted channels, a cable card would be needed to view the premium channels (i.e. HBO, SHO, etc). You do lose the channel guide and other services since these are currently one-way devices.
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Old 03-13-2005, 10:15 AM   #3
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Purpose of the CableCard is just to do the unscrambling of digital cable...
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Old 03-14-2005, 03:04 AM   #4
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Purpose of the CableCard is just to do the unscrambling of digital cable...
Um, isn't that what I said?
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Old 03-14-2005, 08:01 AM   #5
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First does anyone know the purpose of a cable card? Secondly is anyone using charter with a cable card and having trouble? I had mine installed yesterday and I am getting abc nbc and fox still not getting discoverey and espn in hd.
I'm not familiar enough with cards vs. stb's. However, you may want to call customer service and see if they have your package properly added to your account.

In my area (Bham), Charter has segregated its HD offering into 2 tiers. The basic tier includes local affiliates that have been added so far (NBC, Fox and ABC in Bham) plus HBO / Showtime to the extent you already have such movie channels as part of your underlying digital package. This basic HD tier carries a small charge over the digital package. The second HD tier carries an additional charge and gives you "premium" HD channels (ESPN and Discovery in Bham). Charter made this change in mid-2004 once they had added several local affiliates and ESPN.

Give them a call. Anytime I have made a change in my service (including just the exchange of a faulty stb), I would not be able to pick up the premium HD channels until I called and had the rep check the account setup.
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Old 03-14-2005, 01:07 PM   #6
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Just doing a poor job of pointing out it's more than just the premiums, kdog... with Comcast, anyway, virtually everything is encrypted except the retransmitted HD locals... which are illegal to encrypt.

Your fee structure is just as wierd & cumulative as here... they've got a new fee everytime your turn around... and if you want ONE thing, you've got to buy 2 others to get it... wouldn't 'Menu Select' be nice... pick a dozen or two dozen or however many & pay 'a la carte'... sigh, I know it's strictly a pipedream!
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Just doing a poor job of pointing out it's more than just the premiums, kdog... with Comcast, anyway, virtually everything is encrypted except the retransmitted HD locals... which are illegal to encrypt!
Are you saying Comcast scrambles every station except ABC, NBC, FOX and CBS? I thought all the analog stations were unencrypted.
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Old 03-15-2005, 06:08 AM   #8
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Encrypted vs. scrambled?

Regardless, I'm not able to pick up the local digital channels off of Charter cable via my OTA tuner (that has a QAM tuner). Thus, I conclude ignorantly that Charter is not sending any HD channels out "free" or unscrambled. I think this possibility is consistent with other posts hereon that discussed the confusion over a cable provider's rights / obligations with respect to the carry of digital local channels.

As noted above, give Charter a call and see if your specific problem isn't simply due to an error in the way they loaded your account. I'm betting it is.
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Old 03-15-2005, 09:29 AM   #9
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I was only speaking about digital cable...

Yes, analog cable is managed by analog filtering of channels you haven't bought, instead of encryption. If you subscribe only to analog cable, they will probably also filter away all the digital channels... however, if you subscribe to high speed internet you must have access to these higher digital frequencies - since the data is sent over digital channels just like the digital video channels. So they remove the digital filter & the digital channels are accessible... but not useable since everything but the OTA retransmission are encrypted.

Difference between scrambling & encryption is scrambling is usually done in the analog domaine, while encryption is digital... both are ways of limiting access to premium content. Just different methods to the same end...

Slomo, you may have all your digital channels filtered off at the pole. Do you have a cable modem?
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Old 03-16-2005, 11:17 AM   #10
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I don't have a cable modem but I did have cable / HD service with Charter until a month ago.

Before I turned off Charter's digital / HD service, I had tried to pick up HD channels via my OTA tuner (Samsung 351), which I understood would pick up any free HD channels with its QAM tuner. I had no success.

I've tried it again since disconnecting digital cable (and now just pay for analog) but obviously no luck either.

Does that mean Charter is not carrying the local HD channels free or do you think my limitation is with my specific OTA tuner?
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Old 03-17-2005, 07:33 AM   #11
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Your 351 is not QAM capable. The 451 is, but without CableCard it's of limited utility.
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Your 351 is not QAM capable. The 451 is, but without CableCard it's of limited utility.
I didn't realize there was a difference between the 351 and 451 in that respect.

My 351's manual states that one can connect cable to the RF input to the extent that "a local cable provider is passing through 8VSB and Clear QAM on their system". What does that mean?
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Old 03-17-2005, 04:47 PM   #13
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I have checked they do have my account set up for the espn and discovery im just not getting it. I was getting abc nbc and fox before I got the card. I have the sony 34xs955 and my tuner picked it up without the card fine. I still have my antennae up to get cbs.
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Old 03-18-2005, 09:13 AM   #14
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slomo - IF it is correct it means you should be able to pull the retransmitted digital channels in off cable with your tuner... but there's virtually no other referance to QAM in the manual... I think it may be a feature that was planned, but didn't quite make it to release.

7spades - have the cable company 'hit' your card again with permissions... just because it shows up as authorized on their end doesn't mean the card's memory has the same image...
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Old 03-21-2005, 07:41 AM   #15
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Thanks RS. I had looked at the manual and spec sheets online the other day. As you noted, not very explanatory regarding cable use. The spec sheets for both the 351 and 451 only refer to a "cable band" input within their descriptions of the inputs. The 451 sheet does highlight "QAM capable".

Regardless, maybe it's another reason to upgrade tuners in the near future especially if I ever go away from dial-up internet.
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