Digital Service With Tv's Built in Hd Tuner, A joke or what??

iserum · 03-02-2006, 11:20 PM

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Originally Posted by rjs281

NO.you will not be able to watch hd channels.you can't watch them thru the coax either.they will show up on the screen but will not be real hd.the built in tuner is only good for over the air channels.the cable box is there tuner,not you're tuner.you can buy a tv that will play hd without the tuner and use the cable box as the tuner.

it is not correct, i had cable and i could get all locals and TNT HD in true HD quality without HD cable box. i have connected the coax cable to cable input in tv. It will give me only unscrambled local HD channels but no digital channels.

rjs281 · 03-03-2006, 07:59 AM

ok,i understand that you can get the HD channels without the box.(i mean be able to watch them)but i do not believe they are being displayed in true hd.if you look at both you will see what i mean.the difference is very noticable.i am not tring to start anything and am not tring to be rude.i just know what the cable people told me and more so what i see when i look at both.

dels28 · 03-03-2006, 11:56 AM

I don't know what type of display you have, but a tv with a built-in tuner, like mine, can receive HD over the air, (meaning with an antenna), and through just a regular coax cable. It is true HD, the only thing the box provides you in terms of HD is the encrypted channels such as all premiums, and TNT, ESPN, INHD1&2, and Discovery, at least in my area.

rjs281 · 03-03-2006, 02:00 PM

i understand that.mine does to.but i believe the cable company has something to do with it.i am just saying what i was told.if it is wrong than so be it,but if you look at the 2 pictures(coax cable vs all the others i think you will see the difference.i have a sony 50a10.

godson · 03-03-2006, 02:51 PM

yea same here,I think you have to have digital service to have any chance at getting the HD's without the STB.Here in philly on comcast,they dont even offer non-digital service anymore.They offer a basic digital that actually comes with this really cool looking box.Its about 5inches by 6 inches but has not front led display or nothing but again its only for basic digital,no HD or DVR.And no I'm pretty sure you will have to tune in to the HD version of the channel,here our Fox is channel 2 but the HD fox is like 233 or something like that.When I plugged directly into my tv,the set does its own channel scan and assigns channels in some sorta way that I'm not familiar with,but syill in that case I still would find the normal Fox channel and the HD Fox channel as seperates.our comcast charges for the HD-DVR box but doesnt add a seperate cost for the HD channels themselves.It used to be that you got all the HD premium channels(ShoHD,HBOHD,CinHD and StarzHD)without actually having to subscribe to the premium package like HBO or Starz itself.About a year ago they all went blank and now you have to have Starz to get StarzHD and so on,hence me having all the premium channels mainly so that I can have them additional HD channels as well as having them channels available in the On-Demand.None of the On-Demand premiums have HD programming though,which I dont understand,but you can rent select new releases in HD,but very select.

jjufon · 03-03-2006, 03:16 PM

The FCC prohibits the CC from blocking or molesting the HD signals that are “free” (received over air) in anyway. If your CC offers these local HD channels, then you get them with the basic pkg. you just need an HD tuner

godson · 03-03-2006, 06:33 PM

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Originally Posted by jjufon

The FCC prohibits the CC from blocking or molesting the HD signals that are “free” (received over air) in anyway. If your CC offers these local HD channels, then you get them with the basic pkg. you just need an HD tuner

Yea absolutely,except I think some regions still offer a non-digital basic service. Here in Philly the basic is a digital service without the On-Demand,DVR,HD capablities,but with that service you could still get the unscrambled HD channels by plugging in to your tuner set. So what I'm saying is yes,I agree that absolutely are entitled to the "free" HD channels with a basic package and an HD tuner,unless your basic package is non-digital.

coyote · 03-06-2006, 08:44 AM

This is not quite correct.

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Originally Posted by rjs281

NO.you will not be able to watch hd channels.you can't watch them thru the coax either.they will show up on the screen but will not be real hd.the built in tuner is only good for over the air channels.the cable box is there tuner,not you're tuner.you can buy a tv that will play hd without the tuner and use the cable box as the tuner.

If you have only an ATSC tuner in your TV, indeed you will not be able to receive HD via cable. But if your TV is CableCard ready, it means you have the requisite QAM tuner - and your HD channels will indeed be HD whether you have CableCard or a cable box OR NEITHER.

The CableCard and cable box merely decrypt scrambled channels. Any HD channels that are NOT encrypted will be viewable in 'real' HD without card or box.

jachred · 03-06-2006, 10:51 PM

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Originally Posted by dels28

I don't know what type of display you have, but a tv with a built-in tuner, like mine, can receive HD over the air, (meaning with an antenna), and through just a regular coax cable. It is true HD, the only thing the box provides you in terms of HD is the encrypted channels such as all premiums, and TNT, ESPN, INHD1&2, and Discovery, at least in my area.

I have the same results, by scanning with my Coaxial cable plugged into the cable port of my TV I get alot of chanels. the analog 1-125+ Digital chanels also. Including Highdef, On my tv if i hit the INFO button on the remote it tells me the format it is displaying when using the internal tuner. I get NBCHD, ABCHD, PBS1HD, PBS2HD, CBSHD, and Suprise TNTHD, even the music chanels with the display.. Also when using the tuner built into the TV vs the STB, i get a better picture on the all digital chans. ESP PBS-HD I have Comcast in the Detroit area, I am sure this will vary between carriers, but I am 100% Certain that HD Digital is available from comcast in my area.

Thank you for starting this thread, without it I wouldve never known.

Jachred

Maze · 05-16-2007, 06:03 PM

thats not true, I have coax, no cable box, and I am getting 9 channels in true HD. And WOW is the picture good.

Rick-F · 05-17-2007, 02:31 AM

If your set has a QAM tuner, and you have DIGITAL cable service-- you can tune in ALL the "in the clear" HD channel without any additional cost. In the clear HD channels include ABC, CBS, NBC, FOX, and local PBS type cannels-- NO HBO, ESPN, or etc.-- You will get via cable the same channels you would get OTA. You MUST have a QAM tuner-- not just the digital tuner.

drock912001 · 05-17-2007, 05:40 PM

You guys are lucky.TWC that serves the Dayton,OH market is shady.I tried that with my dad since he has cable and his HD Toshiba couldn't pick-up anything.They moved the locals from 2.1,7.1,16.2,16.3,16.4,16.5,16.6,22.1,26.1,45.1 and 45.2 up to the 700 to 800 range.His tv picked up nada,zilch,zippo.TWC don't have a enough subsribers to complain about this rip job.I wanted my dad to see how impressive hd is and can't he refuses to pay for anything extra.

nmlobo · 05-17-2007, 07:43 PM

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Originally Posted by Rick-F

If your set has a QAM tuner, and you have DIGITAL cable service-- you can tune in ALL the "in the clear" HD channel without any additional cost. In the clear HD channels include ABC, CBS, NBC, FOX, and local PBS type cannels-- NO HBO, ESPN, or etc.-- You will get via cable the same channels you would get OTA. You MUST have a QAM tuner-- not just the digital tuner.

Same here.

bicker · 05-19-2007, 05:41 AM

Here as well.

ercjncpr · 05-23-2007, 08:29 AM

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Originally Posted by rjs281

NO.you will not be able to watch hd channels.you can't watch them thru the coax either.they will show up on the screen but will not be real hd.the built in tuner is only good for over the air channels.the cable box is there tuner,not you're tuner.you can buy a tv that will play hd without the tuner and use the cable box as the tuner.

Any tv with a QAM tuner can receive LOCAL HD (no TNT, HBO Universal type channels) for free WITHOUT a box per FCC rules. To repeat, I said any LOCAL HD or subchannel signal that the cable company company pipes through will be available on all digital sets with a QAM tuner. Customer service reps are ignorant of this and sometimes so are the techs. Plus they make more money by not informing you of this.

03-03-2006, 07:59 AM	#17
rjs281 LCD Hi def Join Date: Sep 2005 Posts: 32	ok,i understand that you can get the HD channels without the box.(i mean be able to watch them)but i do not believe they are being displayed in true hd.if you look at both you will see what i mean.the difference is very noticable.i am not tring to start anything and am not tring to be rude.i just know what the cable people told me and more so what i see when i look at both. Last edited by rjs281; 03-03-2006 at 08:02 AM.

03-03-2006, 11:56 AM	#18
dels28 Hoosier Man Join Date: Mar 2005 Location: NW Indiana Posts: 687	I don't know what type of display you have, but a tv with a built-in tuner, like mine, can receive HD over the air, (meaning with an antenna), and through just a regular coax cable. It is true HD, the only thing the box provides you in terms of HD is the encrypted channels such as all premiums, and TNT, ESPN, INHD1&2, and Discovery, at least in my area. __________________ Sony WEGA KDL-52XBR4 Daddy's Room Onkyo TX-SR705 Klipsch Synergy Series Quintet 100-Watt 5-Piece Home Theater Speaker System Klipsch 12" 650W Powered Subwoofer Logitech Harmony 880 HR 20-600& HR 21-200, Direct TV PS3 60GB, PS3 80GB HD-A30 HD-A2 Nintiendo Wii Sony WEGA KDF-55WF655 retired to family living room Ready Nas Pro Duo 1.5 TB Media Server

05-17-2007, 05:40 PM	#27
drock912001 NFL in HD nothing else Join Date: Nov 2005 Location: Charlotte,NC Posts: 1,570	You guys are lucky.TWC that serves the Dayton,OH market is shady.I tried that with my dad since he has cable and his HD Toshiba couldn't pick-up anything.They moved the locals from 2.1,7.1,16.2,16.3,16.4,16.5,16.6,22.1,26.1,45.1 and 45.2 up to the 700 to 800 range.His tv picked up nada,zilch,zippo.TWC don't have a enough subsribers to complain about this rip job.I wanted my dad to see how impressive hd is and can't he refuses to pay for anything extra. __________________ Samsung HL-R5667W Toshiba HD-XA1 Directv HR12-100S IXOS audio & video connectors Monster Power HTS2500 HD DVD 58? Mover's hustled most of my collection last year!

03-03-2006, 02:00 PM	#19
rjs281 LCD Hi def Join Date: Sep 2005 Posts: 32	i understand that.mine does to.but i believe the cable company has something to do with it.i am just saying what i was told.if it is wrong than so be it,but if you look at the 2 pictures(coax cable vs all the others i think you will see the difference.i have a sony 50a10.

03-03-2006, 02:51 PM	#20
godson Mr. Bill Belecheeeeek. Join Date: Jan 2006 Location: philadelphia Posts: 2,592	yea same here,I think you have to have digital service to have any chance at getting the HD's without the STB.Here in philly on comcast,they dont even offer non-digital service anymore.They offer a basic digital that actually comes with this really cool looking box.Its about 5inches by 6 inches but has not front led display or nothing but again its only for basic digital,no HD or DVR.And no I'm pretty sure you will have to tune in to the HD version of the channel,here our Fox is channel 2 but the HD fox is like 233 or something like that.When I plugged directly into my tv,the set does its own channel scan and assigns channels in some sorta way that I'm not familiar with,but syill in that case I still would find the normal Fox channel and the HD Fox channel as seperates.our comcast charges for the HD-DVR box but doesnt add a seperate cost for the HD channels themselves.It used to be that you got all the HD premium channels(ShoHD,HBOHD,CinHD and StarzHD)without actually having to subscribe to the premium package like HBO or Starz itself.About a year ago they all went blank and now you have to have Starz to get StarzHD and so on,hence me having all the premium channels mainly so that I can have them additional HD channels as well as having them channels available in the On-Demand.None of the On-Demand premiums have HD programming though,which I dont understand,but you can rent select new releases in HD,but very select.

03-03-2006, 03:16 PM	#21
jjufon CMMS Junkie Join Date: Sep 2005 Location: Frisco Tx Posts: 968	The FCC prohibits the CC from blocking or molesting the HD signals that are “free” (received over air) in anyway. If your CC offers these local HD channels, then you get them with the basic pkg. you just need an HD tuner

05-16-2007, 06:03 PM	#25
Maze What is HD? Join Date: Apr 2007 Posts: 4	thats not true, I have coax, no cable box, and I am getting 9 channels in true HD. And WOW is the picture good.

05-17-2007, 02:31 AM	#26
Rick-F 58" & 50" PDP / 2 32" LCD Join Date: Dec 2006 Location: Louisville, KY Posts: 1,560	If your set has a QAM tuner, and you have DIGITAL cable service-- you can tune in ALL the "in the clear" HD channel without any additional cost. In the clear HD channels include ABC, CBS, NBC, FOX, and local PBS type cannels-- NO HBO, ESPN, or etc.-- You will get via cable the same channels you would get OTA. You MUST have a QAM tuner-- not just the digital tuner.

05-19-2007, 05:41 AM	#29
bicker High Definition is the definition of life. Join Date: Jun 2006 Location: Burlington, MA Posts: 1,532	Here as well.