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Old 11-28-2005, 03:16 PM   #1
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Default Problem with Cox DVR/HD Digital Box and Sony HDTV connections:

Hi,
I was wonderring whether any of you has figured this out or not:

1) I have a 32" sony HDTV. It has SEVEN (7) Video INPUT (line in ) options:
Inputs: 2 component video, 4 composite, HDMI, 3 S-video; outputs: audio.

2) I got a DVR/HDTV digial cable box from cox cable company.
they connected my digital cable to VIDEO# 5 via component cables!
So unlike old days the cable is connected directly from cable box to TV.

I asked how I should be able to record programs on VCR. They told me I should use VIDEO OUT and extra video IN audio directly to sony VCR. As you might imagine it did not work.

They charged me an installation fee, while they were simply not enough informed of what they need to do!. it took them 3 hrs to install it while i could do it in 5 minute.


My questions are:

A) Regarding HDTV:


A1)Is it normal that the screen type and height keep changing ? ( Like for late late night show on NBC, most of the scenes are shown in widescreen format but keep changing the hight while commercials are in Full Screen (regular format). This happened even when i was getting NBC program from a regular old Antena!


A2) I checked my HD channels and one of them If I do not use the "Picture" Zoom option on my TV remote, i would get it in a much smaller size than my whole screen like 20" while my screen is 32".
Is Itr problem with my setup?

A3) Could I be able to to connect my DVD player to video lines 1-4 (which instruction manual says are for VCR) via composite cables (1 Video , 2 Audio cables), and use the "Video Out for video editing) on the back of my TV, to transfer some of the family DVDs that were send to me by my siblings and convert them to VCR tapes? The problem is the IInstruction manual says: Video editing can be used only when the Input lines are Channels "Video Ins 1-3", and based on the manual these are only for VCR input lines and For DVD player connections they say I need to use componenbt connections (channels video inm 5 - 7, which cannot be used as the input lines in conjuction with "video edition" out connections.!

Any suggestion?

B) Regarding the Digital DVr/HDTV Box:

The Cable componey used the component cable (video line 5) as input to my TV.

Is there any way that I can use my VCR to tape TV programs by somehow connecting it to the digital boc rather than using the DVR feature? my problem is I wanna be able to watch the recorded shows with my other TV which has no DVR box connected to. Is it legal and doable?
If it is legal can I do this:

Try to use a split on my audio out connection on the box.
while the components (Yb) Ya etc.. video out lines (3)
and audio out lines (2) directly will be connected to TV?

I wanna use Video out (VCR) connection and split of Audio outs to VCR and try see if it records anything!.
But do I need to set My VCR to channel 3 or 4 ? in old days # 4 was for cable, # 3 was for antena.
BTW i configured my TV with no cable so only channel i get on TV is # 3! I guess I should change it again somehow. right?
But when i set TV in video # 5, i get all cable channels!



But with my new TV and setup i have had no lucks to records even TV (none HD channels programs) on my VCR at all. it would not show any thing except like when there is no connection. I do not get even a fuzzy or mixed-coloured picture!


Any recommendation is appreciated !


My last question is: how simple is it to connect the DVR/HD digital box to computer to either add to DVR storage lcapacity or use the DVR box as a coinnection to watch some of the computer video files on my TV?


BTW the DVR IMHO is useless. I was out the weekend and tried to record some sport programs! When i came back i found only 3 most recent ones were recorded and it seems the space limit on the DVR box aint as much as the claim its and programs kept been recorded on each other.

Anybody experienced same problem or am I doing something wrong?



thanks again.
and I really appreciate it.

BTW again I want to emphacise I do not want to do anything illegal, so if any of the subjects I asked is an illegal task please let me know as I dont want to go through headache. I even never downloaded mp3 musics.

For me it is not worth the hassles.


Regards
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Old 11-29-2005, 03:39 PM   #2
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Part of your problem is that your bought the wrong shape TV. HDTV is widescreen. 4:3 sets semicompatible with HD give poor quality and are a PITA to use. If you've got the option to exchange it for a widescreen, it's highly recommended.

All digital signals will be shown letterboxed by your TV. When a digital channel sends a pillarboxed 4:3 image, you see a tiny centered image. Your image height keeps changing because you're switching between HD and SD channels. On a widescreen, the change is between narrow and widescreen, both at full screen height.

You MUST use Component or HDMI/DVI for HD signals, old analog SVideo or Composite or RF over coax are limited to analog SDTV. To record using a composite or SVideo cable from the cablebox to your VCR, you'll need to change the input to be recorded in the VCR menu. If possible you should not use RF over Coax output from the VCR, but a video connection like SVideo or Composite for better quality. You'll also need an audio connection to go with the video. The analog video on the cable STB is a downconverted 480i version of the current channel thats on the HD Component out.

Your DVD player should also be connected using Component cables, so it can output progressive scan 480p. (assuming it's capable)

I'd say you need to read your DVR manual... give us make & model & we can probably point you to an online manual... or there may be a 'how to use the DVR' channel on your cable.
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Old 11-30-2005, 01:15 PM   #3
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Default Thanks a bunch RSawdey

RSawdey
Thanks alot.
I wish I had known these stuff before buyinmg the TV. Although I am not much concerned about the screen size issue, as I used the screen button option of the remote and enlarged the screen with still good resoloution.

Actually I saw a 32" Sony HDTV which was widescreen when i bought my 34" sony. i asked the seller whats the difference, he said nothing!!! so i thought why not paying more and buying the 34".


I will re-read the manual of dv-r and most probably get back to you, if it is ok.
some1 suggested to used the front "out oputs" from TV to my vcr.

i will re-read whatever i have, try out things before take more your time.

Thanks again
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Old 11-30-2005, 04:21 PM   #4
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there should be a set of yellow/red/white outputs on the back of the STB. these are your 'archive' outputs. there will be an option in the STB DVR to archive a show to VHS. this is what you are looking for, I think. It seems that any other outputs are deactivated (on my coxcable SA8000HD anyway).

this will allow you to transfer anything from the harddrive to VHS. If it is a show that you know you will be watching on VHS, you could split the cable line directly to the vcr and just record to that.
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Old 12-01-2005, 12:03 AM   #5
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A yellow/red/white set is also known as an A/V (audio.video) set... it's composite video + analog stereo audio. SVideo + stereo is better quality, and SD Component + audio best for SDTV.

HD signals require HDMI/DVI, HD Component, or VGA. Firewire is the only way to record an HD signal.
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Old 12-02-2005, 02:38 AM   #6
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rsawdey,
my box will letterbox and downconvert an hd signal to record to plain old vhs. unfortunately, this dvr box will not activate the firewire. cox will activate it on the nonhd box though (quite a rip off for me)
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Old 12-02-2005, 02:57 PM   #7
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Originally Posted by RSawdey
Part of your problem is that your bought the wrong shape TV. HDTV is widescreen. 4:3 sets semicompatible with HD give poor quality and are a PITA to use. If you've got the option to exchange it for a widescreen, it's highly recommended.

All digital signals will be shown letterboxed by your TV. When a digital channel sends a pillarboxed 4:3 image, you see a tiny centered image. Your image height keeps changing because you're switching between HD and SD channels. On a widescreen, the change is between narrow and widescreen, both at full screen height.

You MUST use Component or HDMI/DVI for HD signals, old analog SVideo or Composite or RF over coax are limited to analog SDTV. To record using a composite or SVideo cable from the cablebox to your VCR, you'll need to change the input to be recorded in the VCR menu. If possible you should not use RF over Coax output from the VCR, but a video connection like SVideo or Composite for better quality. You'll also need an audio connection to go with the video. The analog video on the cable STB is a downconverted 480i version of the current channel thats on the HD Component out.

Your DVD player should also be connected using Component cables, so it can output progressive scan 480p. (assuming it's capable)

I'd say you need to read your DVR manual... give us make & model & we can probably point you to an online manual... or there may be a 'how to use the DVR' channel on your cable.

RSawdey,

I am getting temptated to go to return it ot exchange it for 30" widescreen.
However, I dont want to get the 30" widescreen and find out something else is not goo.
Would you please check the following inf and let me know which one is better?



I got these from best buy
KV30HS420

KV32HS420


And this is what Sont says:
Sony both TVs


Thank you very much.

I feel like the sales persoon took me as a fool.

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