BD compatibility issues....

daleb · 08-05-2009, 09:25 AM

Are these problems not going away anytime soon, or is there just more reporting of issues because of increased sales of BD players? One has to wonder.

**PFC5** · 08-05-2009, 05:07 PM

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Originally Posted by daleb

Are these problems not going away anytime soon, or is there just more reporting of issues because of increased sales of BD players? One has to wonder.

It is likely both.

These problems DO exist and it will hurt adoption from what it could be otherwise IMO.

There are other issues that are a PITA also like some studios forcing you to watch the trailers every time you load the disc and no auto resume on all BD-Java loaded titles so when you have these two issues combined it becomes a "ROYAL" PITA.

I still try to watch anything in BD because I love the PQ/SQ improvements, but as time goes on these issues are starting to bother me more and more, so I basically only rent BDs so far this year.

daleb · 08-05-2009, 06:25 PM

Yes, it seems we gave up things to get the 'best' resolution on disk. And not getting anything back anytime soon.

Techlord · 08-06-2009, 07:39 PM

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Originally Posted by PFC5

I hear your frustration and share it whenever these playback compatibilities come up when the family tries to watch a movie on certain discs. Despite having players from a mfg (Panasonic & Sony) that have the best track record for proactively having updates available BEFORE the disc is released it STILL delays watching movies on these troublesome BD titles and causes my family to scatter for other things to do while I try to find the latest update and then get it installed before everyone losses complete interest (or it gets too late to start the movie). This is NOt what watching a movie should include just to get the better PQ/SQ on BD that I love.

With the bandwidth caps becoming the "norm" I do not think that HD streaming is going to fly far in the short term IMO. Then there is the cost being 2-3x what renting a BD from Netflix costs as the other part of the issue, along with the lower (much lower IMO) PQ/SQ too. Maybe in 5-10 years when those issues get sorted out it CAN replace BD and then I would be all for it at this point in my frustration with BD not being ready for prime time for the average consumer with these BD-Java incompatibilities.

Excellent post Daleb, well done!

Boy did you nail it PFC5, there would be serious bandwidth (bandwidth caps) issues especially if the masses started down that path of downloading their movies! I believe by the time downloaded movies looked as good as a Blu-ray the issues that drive owners of BD players mad would be at an end. I seriously doubt that Hollywood and the studios would allow this BD-Java incompatibilities to derail the Blu-Ray format. PFC5 makes a great point that studios, chip makers and manufacturers need to be more proactive when it comes to BD-Java incompatibilities.

**PFC5** · 08-07-2009, 02:06 AM

Thanks!

It appears that they need to decide on ONE version of Java to base the encoding on, as there does not seem to be this one version of JAVA used by all parties. That would be the first step to solving the incompatibilities with BD-Java IMO. The next step is to freeze the Java version as well as differing encoding methods used, soon like they did with SD DVD so there will not be continued compatibilities issues.

That would only leave the dynamic DRM that needs a solution that keeps the studios & BD player mfg both happy. Some kind of universal DRM update system is what is needed so that regardless of the player the update is the same so that one update can be put on the BD movie disc it is first used on and will work with ALL BD players. Then the studios who are the ones who require the dynamic DRM will be responsible for the cost of updating all BD players.

Do we really expect these BD player mfg to keep providing updates 5-10 years later for the hundreds/thousands of brands/models that will be out by then? I sure hope so but it will be a daunting task and likely end up costing more than the cost of the BD players in another year or so, and they need a plan to handle it.

Heck I still have my first SD DVD player being used in my younger daughter's room that is 10 years old and it plays all SD DVD movies still. Will we be able to say that with BD players?

08-05-2009, 09:25 AM	#16
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08-05-2009, 06:25 PM	#18
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08-07-2009, 02:06 AM	#20
PFC5 Super Moderator Join Date: May 2005 Posts: 28,385	Thanks! It appears that they need to decide on ONE version of Java to base the encoding on, as there does not seem to be this one version of JAVA used by all parties. That would be the first step to solving the incompatibilities with BD-Java IMO. The next step is to freeze the Java version as well as differing encoding methods used, soon like they did with SD DVD so there will not be continued compatibilities issues. That would only leave the dynamic DRM that needs a solution that keeps the studios & BD player mfg both happy. Some kind of universal DRM update system is what is needed so that regardless of the player the update is the same so that one update can be put on the BD movie disc it is first used on and will work with ALL BD players. Then the studios who are the ones who require the dynamic DRM will be responsible for the cost of updating all BD players. Do we really expect these BD player mfg to keep providing updates 5-10 years later for the hundreds/thousands of brands/models that will be out by then? I sure hope so but it will be a daunting task and likely end up costing more than the cost of the BD players in another year or so, and they need a plan to handle it. Heck I still have my first SD DVD player being used in my younger daughter's room that is 10 years old and it plays all SD DVD movies still. Will we be able to say that with BD players? __________________ Denon AVR-887 Klipsch RP-5 Pwred Towers (mains) (525 watts peak each 12"Subs) All Klipsch RC-25(ctr),(2)SS1(surr),(2)SS1(rearSurr) Toshiba (2)HD-A20,PS3,BD35 For SACD/DVD-A Samsung HD-841 Panny 50pz80u plasma SETTINGS RCA HD50LPW162 50"DLP w/HD2+ SA 3250HD 47" LCD+Yamaha5790+HD-A1(bedroom) Harmony 680 + (2) 670s (amazing remote/support) Game room with Onkyo receiver & B&W Speakers The_Cable_Game Take the high ground and be happier

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