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Old 05-11-2009, 02:24 PM   #1
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Hello,

I finally bought a Blu ray. Actually, I bought the costco version, Panasonic DMP BD605 with BD live. The youtube feature is a gimmick, but I must admit I like it.

Anyway, I have a Yamaha RX-V1600 AVR, which I have had for a while. It's HDMI 1.1. I have Panasonic 50 inch 720p/1080i, and I have B&W speakers all around for 7.1 audio.

What I noticed right away about the player, is that with the DTS sound, the sound experience is incredible. It is really good, better than anything I have experienced with a regular DVD player or through the set top box.

I have the player hooked up to my Yamaha AVR with the HDMI cable that came with the player. The TV is hooked up to the Yamaha AVR wtih a HDMI cable as well, which I know is capable of at least HDMI 1.2, I don't know about 1.3. I assume that the cable supplied with the Panasonic player is high speed, and all of that, but I don't know because there was no information about what type of cable it was in the printed materials that came with the player. However, I tried a different cable and got the same result.

So, I'm not going to get 1080p, certainly I realized that. But, my TV looks great with a 1080i signal, that is what I was hoping for. It doesn't look good with a Blu ray disc. The picture is grainy. I rented the Wrestler (BD) , and it looked horrible, worse than a regular DVD through the same player. My wife rented Milk (BD) and it looked better, but still somewhat grainy. The grainy picture would very from scene to scene. It was worse in dark scenes, and almost not noticable in bright scenes, such as daytime. I did switch the player to 1080i output, and even tried 720p. I changed my AVR settings to video upconversion "off", but it doesn't matter because HDMI signals are supposed to be passed through, at least I think they are.

I might be missing something about the settings on the Yamaha, or maybe it's my TV, maybe it's Yamaha's 1.1 HDMI, or maybe the player is bad. Regular DVD's do not look as grainy, but they do not seem to look as good as the LG upconverting DVD player I had before- although the sound is better (THX on the Disney DVD's).

Just wondering if others have experience with this.

Thanks.
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First you have to understand that the highest PQ is with BD now, and that will also show any flaws in the transfer the studio did. It will also show the film grain since that IS part of the "Film Experience". Some directors add extra rgain to achieve the effect/look they want for their film. That means on BD titles this will show up more if the director does that.

You should send 1080i from a BD player as that is the resolution on the disc (well 1080p actually) to get the best PQ even with a 720p class display. Another thing you might want to do is get a calibration discs as it sounds like you have the sharpness set too high and this will make film grain look bigger and messier if set too high.

The BD35 i have and the BD55 as well have gottent fantastic reviews and afre placed near the top of the PQ list, so it sounds like you need to calibrate your display as the first thing to try.

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Old 05-11-2009, 06:00 PM   #3
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OK, I will invest in a calibration DVD. Any recommendations?

Also, I noticed your settings. They do not correspond to my Panasonic Plasma unfortunately. Must be calibrated differently. I do not have numbers that go up as high as yours do.
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OK, I will invest in a calibration DVD. Any recommendations?

Also, I noticed your settings. They do not correspond to my Panasonic Plasma unfortunately. Must be calibrated differently. I do not have numbers that go up as high as yours do.
I use DVE myself. Here is a link:

http://www.amazon.com/s/ref=nb_ss_d?...ds=dve&x=0&y=0

Just pick the version for you which would likely be the BD version.

What model/year is your plasma? Mine is a 2008 model and they did change the settings high/low numbers among other things. I think the Calibration disc is the best choice to dial in the settings on your display in YOUR room lighting.

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2006, old. I haven't been that motivated to get a new set, because it still looks very good. I do have three other Sharp Aquos LCD TV's ranging from 19 inch to 37 inch. They do not look nearly as good as the Panasonic.

Question remains, what to replace it with when the time comes. Pioneer elite maybe, but there aren't any left I've looked.

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I had my set calibrated, to my eye anyway, for the set top box, and I though it looked pretty good.

I didn't get a calibration disc, but I found posted ISF calibration settings for my TV on the web, which they tested with an HD DVD. Main points, reduce sharpness quite a bit, black levels off, color temp warm. I turned the enhanced blacks to light on the blu ray as well. Anyway, I dialed all that in. I rented Spirit, and it's looks very very good. As good as any HD I have seen through the set top box, but with better sound.

The regular DVD's look very good also. I was watching Cars with my son, after changing the settings (regular DVD), and it looks HD. The THX sound also seems to come through at least 6.1 audio, unusual for a regular DVD. Looks like Pixar and Disney are using THX. It sounds very good.

All in all, that Costco deal is a good one. $229 for a BD live player. I'm happy with it.
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2006, old. I haven't been that motivated to get a new set, because it still looks very good. I do have three other Sharp Aquos LCD TV's ranging from 19 inch to 37 inch. They do not look nearly as good as the Panasonic.

Question remains, what to replace it with when the time comes. Pioneer elite maybe, but there aren't any left I've looked.

Thanks.
Samsung makes VERY nice LCD TVs. I am very impressed with the PQ of them. It usually comes down to preference though.. there are many that see the Sony Bravia's as the best, others love Pioneer, still others love the Panasonic's. It is hard to see much real difference between them even when they are sitting side by side at BestBuy.
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Set looks very good, now that I got the settings right with the Blu Ray, now I'm less motivated.

The PQ of the Blu Ray varies from disk to disk, and obviously is the studio. Probably some studios put more effort into producing a quality Blu Ray disk and others just rush to get it out there.

ONe thing left I have to figure out is the sound. It seems I'm not getting 7.1 audio through the receiver, and the receiver is 7.1, and has DTS decoding. It can do all, including THX, but it cannot do DTS Master HD Audio, so maybe I'm being downmixed. Still sounds very good, but not all the bars light up for 7.1. I've checked and DTS is coming through 15 bit, but the receiver still says it's 3/2/0.1. From Pixar disks, like Cars and Finding Nemo, it looks like I'm getting at least 6.1, but those are THX.
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