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Old 05-17-2009, 02:21 PM   #166
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I haven't popped in an SD video yet... hooked on The Tudors... dammit I will be testing the upscaling soon.

So far, I see nothing but a great player. I am pleased with my purchase.


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Old 05-17-2009, 03:12 PM   #167
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My unit gets here Tuesday. Looking at the preliminary manual what is the difference between buttons 25(home) and 19(source) on the remote. I am setting up my MX6000 remote using the Hex codes on the OPPO site. Both say to select media source??
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Great stuff, very informative ty
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I remember trying the analog cables on my panasonic 30. I didn't think it sounded that good. I prefer the HDMI hook up.

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That's surprising, since both output types should be from the same internal decoders...
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I remember trying the analog cables on my panasonic 30. I didn't think it sounded that good. I prefer the HDMI hook up.

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That's surprising, since both output types should be from the same internal decoders...
That is because you must make sure you adjust the LFE levels to an additional 10db when using the analog inputs. Most people do not properly calibrate the analog inputs so that is why they hear a large difference. The other reason is if you apply processing to the signal on HDMI you likely cannot do that with the analog inputs.

I like the least bit of processing other than matrixing the rear surrounds on soundtracks that are only 5.1, so my 7.1 gets fully used.
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Old 05-17-2009, 10:36 PM   #171
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That is because you must make sure you adjust the LFE levels to an additional 10db when using the analog inputs. Most people do not properly calibrate the analog inputs so that is why they hear a large difference. The other reason is if you apply processing to the signal on HDMI you likely cannot do that with the analog inputs.

I like the least bit of processing other than matrixing the rear surrounds on soundtracks that are only 5.1, so my 7.1 gets fully used.
Yes, on all counts. Oppo does make it clear you should adjust analogs for +10db for bass content in your receiver, and that should be satisfactory for all disk formats using the analog outputs.

Many modern receivers have that available either by selection or adjustment. Some older receivers may not, in which case you need to raise your sub level accordingly by another method when using analog inputs to your pre-pro/receiver from the player.

You also set the down mix in the Oppo setup menu for the number of speakers you are using to ensure you get all the content available.
There is also a trim adjustment for all speakers, or you can use the ones in your receiver, if available.
If you use the ones in the Oppo, you need to use a test disk, as they do not provide a test signal, only the menu to adjust individual levels.

You also adjust distance, but that process is based on both front pairs and rear pairs being the same distance. (as pairs, not as front and rear).

So in reality, there are a couple of short-comings, but in all it pretty much equals most other players in my experience. I think in the authoring of the user manual as well as the clarity and navigation of the on-screen menu, it exceeds them.

I imagine Stew still has his head buried in the manual, there is lots to read, it's very informative.
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That is because you must make sure you adjust the LFE levels to an additional 10db when using the analog inputs. Most people do not properly calibrate the analog inputs so that is why they hear a large difference. The other reason is if you apply processing to the signal on HDMI you likely cannot do that with the analog inputs.

I like the least bit of processing other than matrixing the rear surrounds on soundtracks that are only 5.1, so my 7.1 gets fully used.
This has been an ongoing "issue" since the day I purchased and set up my BD10A...because I am not using its Analog Outs BUT I AM using the HDMI Out and sending DECODED MULTICHANNEL PCM TRUEHD signals over the HDMI, the setup menu for the multichannel speaker selection in the Panasonic must be set right.

From what I understand, usually that Speaker Setup Menu on the Panasonics is only for analog out connections so the player can do the distancing, levels, etc....but in MY case, I am not using analog out, ONLY HDMI for audio AND video, BUT AT THE SAME TIME, I am relying on the BD10A to decode TrueHD signals into multichannel PCM to send to my receiver OVER THE HDMI cable...so, I am connecting a DIGITAL patch even though I am relying on the PLAYER'S internal decoder to transcode the TrueHD to multichannel PCM...given this, I am not certain how to set those speaker levels at the BD10A's Multi Channel Speaker Setup menu to make sure decoded TrueHD is coming over my HDMI connection correctly...should they all be set at LARGE with ZERO (0.0dB) on all the levels and distances? Will this ensure a correctly decoded TrueHD signal is being sent over the HDMI connection to my Onkyo, where the receiver will process the signal for bass management, distances, speaker crossovers, etc?
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Set the output from the player as large and make the adjustments in the receiver for distance sound levels etc. What the receiver is getting is STILL a digital signal, so your receiver should still be able to do the BM & any other post processing. Just adjust them while using the HDMI input you have the player connected.
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Set the output from the player as large and make the adjustments in the receiver for distance sound levels etc. What the receiver is getting is STILL a digital signal, so your receiver should still be able to do the BM & any other post processing. Just adjust them while using the HDMI input you have the player connected.
Yes, PFC, the receiver is definitely set for distances, levels, etc...I don't touch them because they've been adjusted and calibrated. I was just concerned about how my PLAYER was sending out the DECODED TRUEHD SIGNAL over HDMI because I am not using analog...

I know that speaker setup menu on the Panasonic players is for analog connections out of the units...but I'm ONLY using HDMI for audio and video -- ONE cable out of the BD10A to my Onkyo 605 -- so the decoded TrueHD PCM must go over HDMI to the receiver...and so that speaker setup menu must be adjusted even though I'm using HDMI...it's so f!!@!!^@#!ing confusing...

So you are sure the speaker SIZES in the Panasonic should be set to LARGE on that setup menu? Is this so the signals are passed to the receiver unaltered?
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wait until you get a tv with the 120 refresh and the 24.. that is whole another mess to understand.

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Yes, PFC, the receiver is definitely set for distances, levels, etc...I don't touch them because they've been adjusted and calibrated. I was just concerned about how my PLAYER was sending out the DECODED TRUEHD SIGNAL over HDMI because I am not using analog...

I know that speaker setup menu on the Panasonic players is for analog connections out of the units...but I'm ONLY using HDMI for audio and video -- ONE cable out of the BD10A to my Onkyo 605 -- so the decoded TrueHD PCM must go over HDMI to the receiver...and so that speaker setup menu must be adjusted even though I'm using HDMI...it's so f!!@!!^@#!ing confusing...

So you are sure the speaker SIZES in the Panasonic should be set to LARGE on that setup menu? Is this so the signals are passed to the receiver unaltered?
It doesn't need to be so confusing IMO. Yes. You should set the speakers to large and let the receiver get the unaltered signal and let the receiver handle the proper size, crossover, etc. I do not even thing over HDMI that those size settings matter, but better safe than sorry.
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I just saying that you have alot of questions about the stuff already.. that the 120 refresh rate and the 24 is not going to make it much easier.

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It doesn't need to be so confusing IMO.
Why I believe it is so confusing is because of the fact that I'm using only HDMI OUT and also asking the player to do multichannel PCM decoding for TrueHD, which is normally associated with the multiple RCA/analog route...

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Yes. You should set the speakers to large and let the receiver get the unaltered signal and let the receiver handle the proper size, crossover, etc. I do not even thing over HDMI that those size settings matter, but better safe than sorry.
Yes, I've been told the same thing, that the player will just "treat" the speakers as large when HDMI is being used, but I couldn't get a straight answer on this -- not even from Panasonic's tech help.

But here comes another series of questions then...if the sizes don't matter when using HDMI in the player, how does it "know" to just send the decoded TrueHD over with no manipulation or "double processing"? And should the speaker VALUES in the 10A be set to "0.0" across the board?
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I just saying that you have alot of questions about the stuff already.. that the 120 refresh rate and the 24 is not going to make it much easier.

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I was under the assumption that's it's only a matter of setting your player and display to "24fps" and the display to "120" or whatever the brand naming is for that feature...it gets more complicated than that?
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