A Rant Against Blu-Ray

Superman · 02-09-2007, 12:46 PM

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Smthkd · 02-09-2007, 01:00 PM

Another Crap article huh Superman!?

Superman · 02-09-2007, 01:07 PM

Watch this video (originally posted by bruceames) with an open mind and tell me it doesnt raise some concerns.

Smthkd · 02-09-2007, 01:13 PM

Soooo, whats the point? Just kidding! Nice vid. Really and eye opener. Never thought about it like that! This makes alot of sense plus it explains the high prices for BluRay movies! MAN! THIS SUCKS NOW. and to think I've been eating alot of Sony cheese burgers lately! Don't get me wrong though! Still feel like BD is great technology and Im still a firm backer. But you have to look at this the same way you would do Microsoft. Its business! So let's just play along!

Superman · 02-09-2007, 01:34 PM

Well, aside from my Xbox 360, I dont have any MS products. I use a Mac.

PFC5 · 02-09-2007, 02:07 PM

I really have an issue with Sony controlling all aspects (content, hardware & DRM) of a format and have said this going back to long before either format was released. Some people thought I should just trust Sony back then and I think some think we should still.

THAT conflict of interest by Sony is a big concern to me, and also if more DRM will be forced on us with Sony as both a content provider & a "consumer" format controller too if BD wins. Call me paranoid, but I do not trust ANY company to controll all aspects of a consumer format and I do not think ANYONE should blindly.

PFC5 · 02-09-2007, 02:09 PM

Here is an article that was linked in the above site:

http://www.gizmocafe.com/blogs/gizmo...25/104918.aspx

I think it asks questions that ANYONE, but especially the BD player owners/fans should want answers to.

art4mad · 02-09-2007, 02:45 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Smthkd

But you have to look at this the same way you would do Microsoft. Its business! So let's just play along!

Bad example. Microsoft doesn't make hardware, with the exception of the 360 and the Zune, and few assorted keyboards and mice. For the most part, the software Microsoft makes runs on other people's hardware.

A better example is Apple. They make the hardware and the software. They innovate because they want to gain marketshare from PCs. However even now they demonstrate a lot of disregard for the consumer because they provide both hardware and content. They are the biggest seller of on-line music content, yet they refuse to allow said content to play on any other MP3 player than their iPod. Personally I don't understand why they aren't fighting a lawsuit over that. Another example is Apple's refusal to allow someone to take screen captures of any DVD played through their OS X DVD player. They say it's for "copyright protection" but there is no law that says you cannot take a screen shot of a DVD movie you paid for your own use. Yet Apple tells you that you cannot. Fortunately there are third party options (although none of them are ideal). Imagine if Apple became the dominant computer format. Bad for the consumer.

Don't get me wrong, I use a Mac and they are great computers, but the marketplace needs separation between content sellers and content hardware sellers. Combine them and you get... Blu-Ray.

Superman · 02-09-2007, 03:29 PM

Im not going to turn this into a Apple/MS war, but some of that DRM stuff is kind of out of Apple's hands. Record companies arent willing to allow their music to be sold without some form of DRM. Steve Jobs just wrote an open letter asking the RIAA to give it up. Not only that, there are 3rd party apps you can use to bypass iTunes if you really dont like it.

And as far as Apple making the hardware and OS, well, they did do a stint for a couple years where they allowed clones to be sold with the Mac OS. And it almost put them out of business. When they brought Steve Jobs back that was the first thing he ended. And he had to get Bill Gates to help bail Apple out.

Besides, Apple only makes up about 5% of the computer market. Hardly a monopoly. And they never will be. You cant say the same thing about Sony and BD though. If BD wins, that's it. No alternative. Youre done. Buy it and shut up.

PFC5 · 02-09-2007, 05:23 PM

Apple IS the largest provider of MP3 type players and it IS proprietary also. Sure there are alternatives which is different from Sony and BD if BD ends up winning.

I do not have a good feeling about how things will end up IF BD wins in a couple of years. Right now I think competition from HD-DVD is the ONLY thing keeping them somewhat honest. I personally doubt that PQ would have improved as fast or as much with BD IF there was no HD-DVD setting the bar as it did.

junehhan · 02-09-2007, 06:03 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Superman

Watch this video (originally posted by bruceames) with an open mind and tell me it doesnt raise some concerns.

That's definately a great video, but it's not going to help win over any of the people who have been brainwashed by Sony. I too have a big issue with Sony having this kind of control over a market. It's no wonder you've got so many reciever manufacturers supporint BD, as well as Fox and Disney. When exploring the BD specs, and what's left out of the requirements, it's pretty clear that this is a format designed to gouge consumers. This of course is my opinion.

BobY · 02-09-2007, 06:13 PM

You can't compare what Apple is doing with iPods and iTunes to Sony. Apple is not the source of their content, nor is the content exclusive to Apple. There is nothing stopping you from getting an MP3 file of a particular song from another source that works with any MP3 player. If you really want to use iTunes to manage music for another MP3 player, you can always save it to CD and use third party software. If you find that too inconvenient, don't use iTunes, it's not the only music management software out there!

iTunes was created as a resource for iPod owners, there's no reason for anyone to expect it to work with other brands of players. It's not Apple's fault that iTunes is popular--that was determined by consumers.

**bruceames** · 02-09-2007, 06:19 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by junehhan

That's definately a great video, but it's not going to help win over any of the people who have been brainwashed by Sony. I too have a big issue with Sony having this kind of control over a market. It's no wonder you've got so many reciever manufacturers supporint BD, as well as Fox and Disney. When exploring the BD specs, and what's left out of the requirements, it's pretty clear that this is a format designed to gouge consumers. This of course is my opinion.

I think this whole "control" thing will slowly but surely make its way into the limelight. It's a real big deal to me, and eventually it'll be a big deal to enough people to make it heard by all the people.

art4mad · 02-09-2007, 08:22 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by BobY

You can't compare what Apple is doing with iPods and iTunes to Sony. Apple is not the source of their content, nor is the content exclusive to Apple. There is nothing stopping you from getting an MP3 file of a particular song from another source that works with any MP3 player.

I was only using that example to show how a company that sells content as well as hardware can have consumers at their mercy. And there is content exclusive to iTunes that you can't buy as MP3s anywhere else. Yes, there are 'workarounds', but you that's saying that if only one car manufacturer existed and sold only one car you are forced to buy if you want to drive it's okay because there is nothing stopping you from buying parts and building your own car. The average consumer either doesn't have the knowledge or doesn't want to take the time to circumvent things like iTunes proprietary safeguards.

Maybe it was a bad example, but there is nothing good about a company that sells the content for proprietary hardware it has control over.

Superman · 02-09-2007, 08:36 PM

You could just rip your CDs and not buy anything from the iTunes store. I have yet to buy anything from them. I dont understand the fuss, and I dont understand how you could say it is the same situation with Sony and BD. Sony made the movie, made the format, made the disc, and made the player. And if BD wins, you'll be stuck with no other option. This is nothing like Apple and the iPod.

And like I said, Apple doesnt like the DRM either. But without it, the record labels wont let them sell the songs. So it's either that or nothing.

02-09-2007, 12:46 PM	#1
Superman HD makes my pants tight Join Date: Dec 2005 Location: Baltimore, MD Age: 39 Posts: 2,801	A Rant Against Blu-Ray Click

02-09-2007, 01:13 PM	#4
Smthkd BFBC2....Do It! DoIt Join Date: Jun 2004 Location: Atlanta, GA Posts: 1,440	Soooo, whats the point? Just kidding! Nice vid. Really and eye opener. Never thought about it like that! This makes alot of sense plus it explains the high prices for BluRay movies! MAN! THIS SUCKS NOW. and to think I've been eating alot of Sony cheese burgers lately! Don't get me wrong though! Still feel like BD is great technology and Im still a firm backer. But you have to look at this the same way you would do Microsoft. Its business! So let's just play along! Last edited by Smthkd; 02-09-2007 at 01:19 PM.

02-09-2007, 02:07 PM	#6
PFC5 Former Super Moderator - RIP Join Date: May 2005 Location: Mass Posts: 38,295	I really have an issue with Sony controlling all aspects (content, hardware & DRM) of a format and have said this going back to long before either format was released. Some people thought I should just trust Sony back then and I think some think we should still. THAT conflict of interest by Sony is a big concern to me, and also if more DRM will be forced on us with Sony as both a content provider & a "consumer" format controller too if BD wins. Call me paranoid, but I do not trust ANY company to controll all aspects of a consumer format and I do not think ANYONE should blindly. __________________ Denon AVR-887 Klipsch RP-5 Pwred Towers (mains) (525 watts peak each 12"Subs) All Klipsch RC-25(ctr),(2)SS1(surr),(2)SS1(rearSurr) Toshiba (2)HD-A20,PS3,BD35 For SACD/DVD-A Samsung HD-841 Panny 50pz80u plasma SETTINGS RCA HD50LPW162 50"DLP w/HD2+ SA 3250HD 47" LCD+Yamaha5790+HD-A1(bedroom) Harmony 680 + (2) 670s (amazing remote/support) Game room with Onkyo receiver & B&W Speakers The_Cable_Game Take the high ground and be happier PSN: PFC5

02-09-2007, 02:09 PM	#7
PFC5 Former Super Moderator - RIP Join Date: May 2005 Location: Mass Posts: 38,295	Here is an article that was linked in the above site: http://www.gizmocafe.com/blogs/gizmo...25/104918.aspx I think it asks questions that ANYONE, but especially the BD player owners/fans should want answers to. __________________ Denon AVR-887 Klipsch RP-5 Pwred Towers (mains) (525 watts peak each 12"Subs) All Klipsch RC-25(ctr),(2)SS1(surr),(2)SS1(rearSurr) Toshiba (2)HD-A20,PS3,BD35 For SACD/DVD-A Samsung HD-841 Panny 50pz80u plasma SETTINGS RCA HD50LPW162 50"DLP w/HD2+ SA 3250HD 47" LCD+Yamaha5790+HD-A1(bedroom) Harmony 680 + (2) 670s (amazing remote/support) Game room with Onkyo receiver & B&W Speakers The_Cable_Game Take the high ground and be happier PSN: PFC5

02-09-2007, 03:29 PM	#9
Superman HD makes my pants tight Join Date: Dec 2005 Location: Baltimore, MD Age: 39 Posts: 2,801	Im not going to turn this into a Apple/MS war, but some of that DRM stuff is kind of out of Apple's hands. Record companies arent willing to allow their music to be sold without some form of DRM. Steve Jobs just wrote an open letter asking the RIAA to give it up. Not only that, there are 3rd party apps you can use to bypass iTunes if you really dont like it. And as far as Apple making the hardware and OS, well, they did do a stint for a couple years where they allowed clones to be sold with the Mac OS. And it almost put them out of business. When they brought Steve Jobs back that was the first thing he ended. And he had to get Bill Gates to help bail Apple out. Besides, Apple only makes up about 5% of the computer market. Hardly a monopoly. And they never will be. You cant say the same thing about Sony and BD though. If BD wins, that's it. No alternative. Youre done. Buy it and shut up. Last edited by Superman; 02-09-2007 at 03:36 PM.

02-09-2007, 01:00 PM	#2
Smthkd BFBC2....Do It! DoIt Join Date: Jun 2004 Location: Atlanta, GA Posts: 1,440	Another Crap article huh Superman!?

02-09-2007, 01:07 PM	#3
Superman HD makes my pants tight Join Date: Dec 2005 Location: Baltimore, MD Age: 39 Posts: 2,801	Watch this video (originally posted by bruceames) with an open mind and tell me it doesnt raise some concerns.

02-09-2007, 01:34 PM	#5
Superman HD makes my pants tight Join Date: Dec 2005 Location: Baltimore, MD Age: 39 Posts: 2,801	Well, aside from my Xbox 360, I dont have any MS products. I use a Mac.

02-09-2007, 05:23 PM	#10
PFC5 Former Super Moderator - RIP Join Date: May 2005 Location: Mass Posts: 38,295	Apple IS the largest provider of MP3 type players and it IS proprietary also. Sure there are alternatives which is different from Sony and BD if BD ends up winning. I do not have a good feeling about how things will end up IF BD wins in a couple of years. Right now I think competition from HD-DVD is the ONLY thing keeping them somewhat honest. I personally doubt that PQ would have improved as fast or as much with BD IF there was no HD-DVD setting the bar as it did. __________________ Denon AVR-887 Klipsch RP-5 Pwred Towers (mains) (525 watts peak each 12"Subs) All Klipsch RC-25(ctr),(2)SS1(surr),(2)SS1(rearSurr) Toshiba (2)HD-A20,PS3,BD35 For SACD/DVD-A Samsung HD-841 Panny 50pz80u plasma SETTINGS RCA HD50LPW162 50"DLP w/HD2+ SA 3250HD 47" LCD+Yamaha5790+HD-A1(bedroom) Harmony 680 + (2) 670s (amazing remote/support) Game room with Onkyo receiver & B&W Speakers The_Cable_Game Take the high ground and be happier PSN: PFC5

02-09-2007, 06:13 PM	#12
BobY What's all this, then?... Join Date: Jan 2006 Posts: 6,197	You can't compare what Apple is doing with iPods and iTunes to Sony. Apple is not the source of their content, nor is the content exclusive to Apple. There is nothing stopping you from getting an MP3 file of a particular song from another source that works with any MP3 player. If you really want to use iTunes to manage music for another MP3 player, you can always save it to CD and use third party software. If you find that too inconvenient, don't use iTunes, it's not the only music management software out there! iTunes was created as a resource for iPod owners, there's no reason for anyone to expect it to work with other brands of players. It's not Apple's fault that iTunes is popular--that was determined by consumers. Last edited by BobY; 02-09-2007 at 06:16 PM.

02-09-2007, 08:36 PM	#15
Superman HD makes my pants tight Join Date: Dec 2005 Location: Baltimore, MD Age: 39 Posts: 2,801	You could just rip your CDs and not buy anything from the iTunes store. I have yet to buy anything from them. I dont understand the fuss, and I dont understand how you could say it is the same situation with Sony and BD. Sony made the movie, made the format, made the disc, and made the player. And if BD wins, you'll be stuck with no other option. This is nothing like Apple and the iPod. And like I said, Apple doesnt like the DRM either. But without it, the record labels wont let them sell the songs. So it's either that or nothing. Last edited by Superman; 02-09-2007 at 08:39 PM.

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