Blu-ray DVD Drive No Bonus for Some PS3 Buyers

Originally Posted by Cygnus

http://www.eweek.com/article2/0,1895...EMNL121206EOAD
LOS ANGELES (Reuters)—Gamers love Sony Corp.'s new PlayStation 3 for its graphic capabilities and firepower, but the advanced Blu-ray DVD drive is annoying some by raising the cost, slowing production and forcing them to buy into a format they've not yet aligned with.

Sony's move to put a Blu-ray drive into the PS3 video game console is part of the Japanese giant's plan in a high-stakes next-generation DVD format war that recalls the fierce Betamax-VHS battle, which Sony's Betamax lost.

This time, Sony's Blu-ray is competing against a rival Toshiba Corp.-backed format known as HD-DVD.

Sony said Blu-ray is part of its long term plan to position its machine as a home entertainment hub, but some experts say the strategy may be backfiring.

Yankee Group analyst Michael Goodman said that while die-hard gamers will buy the PS3 at any cost early on, buyers who come to the product later will be more price-sensitive.

"Blu-ray is adding $150 to $200 to the product. They've created something that is not for today's market. It's not a market driver, it's only driving the price higher," he said.

Cymfony, a company which culls trends from posts on Internet sites, reported that positive discussions about HD-DVD were 46 percent higher than Blu-ray in a survey of almost 18,000 posts on blogs, discussion boards and consumer review sites from October 1 to November 30.

"Negative Blu-ray conversation indicated a lack of consumer trust in Sony, as well as gamer displeasure with selling Blu-ray in association with PlayStation 3," said Jim Nail, a spokesman for Cymfony, which culls trends from posts on social media sites.

Hollywood and electronics makers are hoping high-definition DVDs, with better picture quality and interactive features, will reignite the slowing market for DVD sales. But the format war, technical issues and the advent of digital video-on-demand services are creating hurdles for the new DVDs and players.

Andy Parsons, a spokesman for the Blu-ray Disc Association, called the launch of the PS3 a "turning point" for the format.

"Blu-ray's here to stay. The likelihood of people using PS3s as DVD players is significant, particularly when you're talking about millions of consoles Sony expects to sell," he said.

There is a good precedent for Blu-ray—Sony's PlayStation 2, currently the dominant game console with more than 106 million sold, helped push the standard DVD format. The PS2 came to market in 2000, about three years after the DVD was first launched.

"We think the same will happen with the PS3 and Blu-ray," Parsons said.

In the gaming console war this holiday season, Sony's PS3, priced at around $600, faces two main competitors in Microsoft Corp's Xbox 360 at around $400 and Nintendo Co Ltd's Wii for about $250.

Microsoft recently added an optional HD-DVD player and began offering full-length film and TV downloads in high-definition via its Xbox Live online gaming service.

Mark Knox, a spokesman for the HD-DVD consortium, said offering HD-DVD as an add-on was an important distinction.

"We know that every HD-DVD drive being sold to Xbox users is being used to watch films. They're not being forced to buy it," he said. "Every PS3 includes a Blu-ray drive, but that doesn't mean every gamer wants to watch a movie on PS3."

John Davison, editorial director of 1Up Network, a gaming network with 13 million monthly unique visitors, said most gamers are not interested in viewing films on the PS3.

"PS3 will live and die by the games it plays. The fact it's a DVD player is a bonus, but not why people bought it," he said.

Originally Posted by alra111

Did the article you quoted come with those paragraphs in boldface or did you add boldface to whatever you're trying really hard to convince yourself of...by screaming out loud?

If you added the boldface yourself you should reveal that. Otherwise you are misquoting the article.

Alra111

Originally Posted by alra111

If you added the boldface yourself you should reveal that. Otherwise you are misquoting the article.

Originally Posted by mshulman

I think he highlighted important facts. I guess you want to ignore the facts?

Originally Posted by Cygnus

There is a good precedent for Blu-ray—Sony's PlayStation 2, currently the dominant game console with more than 106 million sold, helped push the standard DVD format. The PS2 came to market in 2000, about three years after the DVD was first launched.

"We think the same will happen with the PS3 and Blu-ray," Parsons said.

Originally Posted by alra111

He highlighted everything that was anti-Blu-ray or anti-Sony.

There were some important facts which happened to be pro-Blu-ray. He failed to boldface each and every one of those. I wonder if this was intentional, or simply an oversight on his part?

It's like a news anchorperson reporting a story. Let's suppose that the story is about the U.S. President. The anchorperson yells or smiles as he or she mentions the negative stuff about the President, then uses a normal voice to report the neutral or positive stuff about him. Obviously, this anchorperson is letting his or her emotions get in the way of objective reporting.

Here, Cygnus, you forgot to put this in boldface.


Even if it takes a while for the PS3 to catch up to the Xbox 360, the PS2 is already ahead...

Hmmm...

Alra111

Originally Posted by alra111

He highlighted everything that was anti-Blu-ray or anti-Sony.

There were some important facts which happened to be pro-Blu-ray. He failed to boldface each and every one of those. I wonder if this was intentional, or simply an oversight on his part?

It's like a news anchorperson reporting a story. Let's suppose that the story is about the U.S. President. The anchorperson yells or smiles as he or she mentions the negative stuff about the President, then uses a normal voice to report the neutral or positive stuff about him. Obviously, this anchorperson is letting his or her emotions get in the way of objective reporting.

Originally Posted by alra111

He highlighted everything that was anti-Blu-ray or anti-Sony.

There were some important facts which happened to be pro-Blu-ray. He failed to boldface each and every one of those. I wonder if this was intentional, or simply an oversight on his part?

Here, Cygnus, you forgot to put this in boldface.

Even if it takes a while for the PS3 to catch up to the Xbox 360, the PS2 is already ahead...

Hmmm...

Alra111

Originally Posted by µCOM-4

Dude get a clue. PS2 is irrelevent in the HD format war. Regardless using it as an example is flawed anyway since DVD was already 3 years old when PS2 launched and DVD also had no competition from another DVD-like disc technology. On the other hand Beta-ray and PS3 could barely get off the ground and is getting stomped by Xbox 360 and HD DVD. If I were you I'd be comparing Beta-Ray with UMD.

Originally Posted by alra111

PS3 could barely get off the ground? That's hilarious. People waited in line for days, some even getting shot. Many went home empty-handed and my guess is they will not give up.

I read one girl's account of how she got a job and worked just long enough to save money to buy the PS3. This was the sole purpose of getting the job. I'm also guessing (but I can't provide a link to the story!) that others did the same.

I guess the passion for the PS3 is out there.

Alra111

Originally Posted by alra111

I read one girl's account of how she got a job and worked just long enough to save money to buy the PS3.

Originally Posted by NobleM15

To watch HD movies or to play games?