Blu Ray Vs HD-DVD Debate

kozanator · 08-22-2004, 11:39 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by teg

All your CPUs' speed seems to be too slow according to Microsoft recommendations for playing WMVHD DVD (the 1080p version) :
Optimum Configuration (to play 1080p video with 5.1 surround sound): 3.0 GHz processor or equivalent
Do you have problem openning these files? I do. My CPU is only P4-1.6

Btw, what is this coming soon dual 16x PCI Express Motherboards? Shall I also wait for it? What good does it have for HDDVD?

Yep! My computers are too slow when it comes to a lot of things and watching WMV DVD's is one of them. But... lucky for me.... My sister just bought a high end computer a few months ago and since she hasn't been using it for the summer, I've been the lucky one to borrow it.

About "Dual 16x PCI Express Motherboards"!! Well, this really doesn't have anything to do with HD-DVD. I'll send you a private message so this thread doesn't go too much off topic like it has a few times.

maximus · 08-31-2004, 03:44 PM

Sanyo joins HD DVD camp, let the war begin;
http://www.pcworld.com/news/article/0,aid,117656,00.asp

Lucky Ducky · 09-04-2004, 04:04 PM

"Blu-ray Still a Possibility, Too

Sanyo hasn't ruled out participating in Blu-ray--at least at a component level, says Watson.

"We looked at Blu-ray, but there were compatibility issues. Down the line, it is possible that we could supply components for Blu-ray," he says."

Looks like they are keeping all their bases covered

kozanator · 09-05-2004, 12:43 AM

here is some info for you:

The Porn industry is releasing their first WMV High Definition DVD.

The Movie will be called "Island Fever 3" and will be released on September 21st, 2004. It will be a two disk set. One disk will be your regular DVD and the other will also be a regular DVD but using the Microsoft Codec to give you a High Definition Video when you put the disk into your computer or compatable DVD player.

Many Porn Studios are starting to use HD Cameras.

maximus · 09-08-2004, 07:28 PM

Quote:

Many Porn Studios are starting to use HD Cameras.

HD camcorders maybe, why shoot in HD when they can just upconvert it and call it high def, like Island Fever 3 obviously does.

Knight76 · 09-09-2004, 01:17 AM

I dont think the porn indusrty will be a deciding factor in what format wins the tech war. They will jump on whatever technology is the most popular. They dont have the muscle to affect the outcome.

Hollywood will be the deciding factor. If the majority of the move studios go with one format then it will be very hard for the other format to compete.

As far as HD-DVD's name goes havent you heard of something called an advertising campaign? Im sure a blitz on advertising on telly and in print/radio will educate the masses. People dont buy the product with the best name, they buy the product the salespeople convince them to.

HD-DVD's biggest strength is its compatability with current dvd's. So modifying dvd manufacturing plants will be much cheaper for hd-dvd's than for blu ray.

kozanator · 09-10-2004, 01:01 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by maximus

HD camcorders maybe, why shoot in HD when they can just upconvert it and call it high def, like Island Fever 3 obviously does.

I have no idea what equipment they are using to record in High Def, but I don't really care. It's just nice to see more and more High Def content slowly coming out.

Whether it is "Island Fever 3" or "Terminator 2", it's all good in my eyes.

Terminator 2 link:

http://www.microsoft.com/windows/win...tShowcase.aspx

Island Fever 3 link:

http://www.adultdvdempire.com/Exec/v...7116&site_id=7

Just so some of you don't get confused.... These movies are not HD-DVD or Blu-Ray. They are WMV HD DVD's. It's the best you can get at the moment in North America.

twist · 09-16-2004, 12:10 PM

First off, for the guy looking to encode in hi-def you can use wmp 9 encoder, it's free, it does every resolution but only outputs wmv files.

Secondly, when will we have lossless compression for movies. It's cool that they are going hi-def but because they are still using compression on the movies it only inevitable mean that they will once again have to release the movies in the future in a lossless format.

I held off on buying dvd's because I knew a long time ago that they weren't that great, I probably have bought about 20 dvd's since the format came out. Not to say I don't have netflix or burn dvd's but I can't see paying for movies that I already paid for on VHS. Now they want to release a new format and re-sell the same movies to me again that I have already paid for in VHS and DVD format. It would be ok if it was some sort of lossless compression, but since it's just another compressed format it only beckons that in so many years I will be paying for these movies in a 'hopefully' lossless format.

The other thing thats been bothering me is the way hard drive technology is going. They currently have single platter hard drives that can hold 40GB on one side of a 3'' disk for about $40. If they were to add a pre-pressed platter into those hard drives they would be able to use both sides of the disc making it a 80GB drive. They are using 16MB buffers on some of the new hard drives. It's only a matter of time, if it hasn't already happened, before they have platters that could hold 80GB per side, making a double sided platter have a 160GB capacity. It seems they could potentially add 32MB buffers, lets say, and add movie menus and scene selection directly into the buffers and add lossless compression movies into the 160GB of space. This would of course create a movie that starts almost instantly would be safe from getting scratched and you wouldn't have to flip over to see the other side. And for those that haven't seen the single platter drives they are half as thick as the multi-platter drives. This would also eliminate the battle over formats as the hard disk format is standard, so you would only have to make sure the device you plug or insert the hard drive into had the proper decoding ability. It would also mean in the future when bigger platters and new formats came out you wouldn't need to completely rehash the format just add new codecs to the players. I mean, I can plug and use a 2.1GB hard drive into my computer the same way I plug in a 300GB hard drive. With the exception of SATA plugs, hard drives seem to be able to support a single format for quite a period of time.

For example, I paid about $30 for star wars in VHS format, will pay so much for star wars in dvd format next week and will inevatebly pay for star wars again in a few years in High-Def format and once again in format that comes after High-Def. So if I was told they would release star wars in a lossless compression hard drive format next year I would be more than willing to shell out $100 or more for it or any other movie that I would want to have in a permanent collection.

I drink too much coffee

kozanator · 09-16-2004, 11:56 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by twist

First off, for the guy looking to encode in hi-def you can use wmp 9 encoder, it's free, it does every resolution but only outputs wmv files.

Secondly, when will we have lossless compression for movies. It's cool that they are going hi-def but because they are still using compression on the movies it only inevitable mean that they will once again have to release the movies in the future in a lossless format.

I held off on buying dvd's because I knew a long time ago that they weren't that great, I probably have bought about 20 dvd's since the format came out. Not to say I don't have netflix or burn dvd's but I can't see paying for movies that I already paid for on VHS. Now they want to release a new format and re-sell the same movies to me again that I have already paid for in VHS and DVD format. It would be ok if it was some sort of lossless compression, but since it's just another compressed format it only beckons that in so many years I will be paying for these movies in a 'hopefully' lossless format.

The other thing thats been bothering me is the way hard drive technology is going. They currently have single platter hard drives that can hold 40GB on one side of a 3'' disk for about $40. If they were to add a pre-pressed platter into those hard drives they would be able to use both sides of the disc making it a 80GB drive. They are using 16MB buffers on some of the new hard drives. It's only a matter of time, if it hasn't already happened, before they have platters that could hold 80GB per side, making a double sided platter have a 160GB capacity. It seems they could potentially add 32MB buffers, lets say, and add movie menus and scene selection directly into the buffers and add lossless compression movies into the 160GB of space. This would of course create a movie that starts almost instantly would be safe from getting scratched and you wouldn't have to flip over to see the other side. And for those that haven't seen the single platter drives they are half as thick as the multi-platter drives. This would also eliminate the battle over formats as the hard disk format is standard, so you would only have to make sure the device you plug or insert the hard drive into had the proper decoding ability. It would also mean in the future when bigger platters and new formats came out you wouldn't need to completely rehash the format just add new codecs to the players. I mean, I can plug and use a 2.1GB hard drive into my computer the same way I plug in a 300GB hard drive. With the exception of SATA plugs, hard drives seem to be able to support a single format for quite a period of time.

For example, I paid about $30 for star wars in VHS format, will pay so much for star wars in dvd format next week and will inevatebly pay for star wars again in a few years in High-Def format and once again in format that comes after High-Def. So if I was told they would release star wars in a lossless compression hard drive format next year I would be more than willing to shell out $100 or more for it or any other movie that I would want to have in a permanent collection.

I drink too much coffee

Personally, I wouldn't want hundreds of hard-drives for all my lossless DVD's. I like the idea of a lossless format but I think it will be a very long time from now.

Also, I am not planning to re-purchase all my DVD's again in the new HD-DVD standard. I would rather just buy a player that is really good at up-converting the 480p to 1080p.

Knight76 · 09-17-2004, 01:50 AM

just because a new format comes out dosnt mean you HAVE to buy all the movies you bought previously again.

I for one will only be buying a select few movies that I think are worthy of a second purchase.

A lossless format is atleast 10-20 years away. You gunna wait that long twist?

maximus · 09-24-2004, 06:30 AM

Speaking of lossless HD DVD just made Dolby Digital Plus & MLP lossless audio mandatory in their specs.

Blu-ray added Dolby Digital.

http://www.eetimes.com/sys/news/show...cleID=47902479

Blu-ray now includes 5.1 dts & DD as well as 7.1 channel dts++ audio which supports lossless audio compression. Additional audio codecs are under review.

maximus · 10-03-2004, 02:52 PM

Man if it's true that FOX is onboard Blu-ray then the advantage gap I believe Blu-ray already had has just widened considerably.

Just sign up Universal and Paramount then Warner, Disney and the rest will have no choice but to follow.

I am now beyond worrying about my current dvd collection.
With all the current broadcast HD quality issues in my mind, I am truly looking very forward to Blu-ray 1080p sources as the BEST picture quality available.
I have read some glowing reports from industry veterans who have been blown away by Blu-ray demo events. True they have been on large screens with a 25K Qualia projector but these vets acknowledge this and still say Blu-ray will blow our minds.

I can't wait this going to be a great ride!

sonicularulus · 10-03-2004, 05:16 PM

maximus, seems like u now are in favor of blu-ray.....lol

maximus · 10-03-2004, 07:09 PM

No man I have always heavily favored Blu-ray simply because of the manufacturer support. I also believe the Blu-ray format is superior and has more lifespan, HD DVD is just a short-term fix to get HD on disc with no real future roadmap worked out.

For the longest time it was Toshiba vs. everybody and that is just too much to overlook. Then Sanyo joined HD DVD and things were getting interesting, until Sony snapped up MGM.(Sanyo is Japans 3rd largest CE company)

Like I said I have no problem with HD DVD I just don't think it stands a chance, even moreso now.

maximus · 10-05-2004, 05:51 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by maximus

Man if it's true that FOX is onboard Blu-ray then the advantage gap I believe Blu-ray already had has just widened considerably.

Just sign up Universal and Paramount then Warner, Disney and the rest will have no choice but to follow.

I am now beyond worrying about my current dvd collection.
With all the current broadcast HD quality issues in my mind, I am truly looking very forward to Blu-ray 1080p sources as the BEST picture quality available.
I have read some glowing reports from industry veterans who have been blown away by Blu-ray demo events. True they have been on large screens with a 25K Qualia projector but these vets acknowledge this and still say Blu-ray will blow our minds.

I can't wait this going to be a great ride!

As HD Guru pointed out FOX has no "real" commitment to either format yet;
Read here

09-05-2004, 12:43 AM	#49
kozanator HD Gaming Rules!! Join Date: Aug 2004 Location: Thunder Bay, Ontario, Canada Age: 30 Posts: 85	Porn WMV HD-DVD!!! here is some info for you: The Porn industry is releasing their first WMV High Definition DVD. The Movie will be called "Island Fever 3" and will be released on September 21st, 2004. It will be a two disk set. One disk will be your regular DVD and the other will also be a regular DVD but using the Microsoft Codec to give you a High Definition Video when you put the disk into your computer or compatable DVD player. Many Porn Studios are starting to use HD Cameras. __________________ Kozanator Website Designer and Techno Junkie Last edited by kozanator; 09-05-2004 at 12:45 AM.

09-09-2004, 01:17 AM	#51
Knight76 FINALLY enjoying Hi Def Join Date: May 2004 Location: Australia Posts: 97	I dont think the porn indusrty will be a deciding factor in what format wins the tech war. They will jump on whatever technology is the most popular. They dont have the muscle to affect the outcome. Hollywood will be the deciding factor. If the majority of the move studios go with one format then it will be very hard for the other format to compete. As far as HD-DVD's name goes havent you heard of something called an advertising campaign? Im sure a blitz on advertising on telly and in print/radio will educate the masses. People dont buy the product with the best name, they buy the product the salespeople convince them to. HD-DVD's biggest strength is its compatability with current dvd's. So modifying dvd manufacturing plants will be much cheaper for hd-dvd's than for blu ray. Last edited by Knight76; 09-09-2004 at 01:26 AM.

10-03-2004, 05:16 PM	#58
sonicularulus High Definition is the definition of life. Join Date: May 2004 Location: North Hills, Los Angeles, Ca Age: 20 Posts: 609	maximus, seems like u now are in favor of blu-ray.....lol __________________ http://www.ryanphilipp.com/

08-31-2004, 03:44 PM	#47
maximus user Join Date: Jul 2004 Posts: 903	Sanyo joins HD DVD camp, let the war begin; http://www.pcworld.com/news/article/0,aid,117656,00.asp

09-04-2004, 04:04 PM	#48
Lucky Ducky High Definition is the definition of life. Join Date: Aug 2004 Location: Seattle, wet but green! Posts: 112	"Blu-ray Still a Possibility, Too Sanyo hasn't ruled out participating in Blu-ray--at least at a component level, says Watson. "We looked at Blu-ray, but there were compatibility issues. Down the line, it is possible that we could supply components for Blu-ray," he says." Looks like they are keeping all their bases covered

09-16-2004, 12:10 PM	#53
twist What is HD? Join Date: Sep 2004 Posts: 3	First off, for the guy looking to encode in hi-def you can use wmp 9 encoder, it's free, it does every resolution but only outputs wmv files. Secondly, when will we have lossless compression for movies. It's cool that they are going hi-def but because they are still using compression on the movies it only inevitable mean that they will once again have to release the movies in the future in a lossless format. I held off on buying dvd's because I knew a long time ago that they weren't that great, I probably have bought about 20 dvd's since the format came out. Not to say I don't have netflix or burn dvd's but I can't see paying for movies that I already paid for on VHS. Now they want to release a new format and re-sell the same movies to me again that I have already paid for in VHS and DVD format. It would be ok if it was some sort of lossless compression, but since it's just another compressed format it only beckons that in so many years I will be paying for these movies in a 'hopefully' lossless format. The other thing thats been bothering me is the way hard drive technology is going. They currently have single platter hard drives that can hold 40GB on one side of a 3'' disk for about $40. If they were to add a pre-pressed platter into those hard drives they would be able to use both sides of the disc making it a 80GB drive. They are using 16MB buffers on some of the new hard drives. It's only a matter of time, if it hasn't already happened, before they have platters that could hold 80GB per side, making a double sided platter have a 160GB capacity. It seems they could potentially add 32MB buffers, lets say, and add movie menus and scene selection directly into the buffers and add lossless compression movies into the 160GB of space. This would of course create a movie that starts almost instantly would be safe from getting scratched and you wouldn't have to flip over to see the other side. And for those that haven't seen the single platter drives they are half as thick as the multi-platter drives. This would also eliminate the battle over formats as the hard disk format is standard, so you would only have to make sure the device you plug or insert the hard drive into had the proper decoding ability. It would also mean in the future when bigger platters and new formats came out you wouldn't need to completely rehash the format just add new codecs to the players. I mean, I can plug and use a 2.1GB hard drive into my computer the same way I plug in a 300GB hard drive. With the exception of SATA plugs, hard drives seem to be able to support a single format for quite a period of time. For example, I paid about $30 for star wars in VHS format, will pay so much for star wars in dvd format next week and will inevatebly pay for star wars again in a few years in High-Def format and once again in format that comes after High-Def. So if I was told they would release star wars in a lossless compression hard drive format next year I would be more than willing to shell out $100 or more for it or any other movie that I would want to have in a permanent collection. I drink too much coffee

09-17-2004, 01:50 AM	#55
Knight76 FINALLY enjoying Hi Def Join Date: May 2004 Location: Australia Posts: 97	just because a new format comes out dosnt mean you HAVE to buy all the movies you bought previously again. I for one will only be buying a select few movies that I think are worthy of a second purchase. A lossless format is atleast 10-20 years away. You gunna wait that long twist?

09-24-2004, 06:30 AM	#56
maximus user Join Date: Jul 2004 Posts: 903	Speaking of lossless HD DVD just made Dolby Digital Plus & MLP lossless audio mandatory in their specs. Blu-ray added Dolby Digital. http://www.eetimes.com/sys/news/show...cleID=47902479 Blu-ray now includes 5.1 dts & DD as well as 7.1 channel dts++ audio which supports lossless audio compression. Additional audio codecs are under review.

10-03-2004, 02:52 PM	#57
maximus user Join Date: Jul 2004 Posts: 903	Man if it's true that FOX is onboard Blu-ray then the advantage gap I believe Blu-ray already had has just widened considerably. Just sign up Universal and Paramount then Warner, Disney and the rest will have no choice but to follow. I am now beyond worrying about my current dvd collection. With all the current broadcast HD quality issues in my mind, I am truly looking very forward to Blu-ray 1080p sources as the BEST picture quality available. I have read some glowing reports from industry veterans who have been blown away by Blu-ray demo events. True they have been on large screens with a 25K Qualia projector but these vets acknowledge this and still say Blu-ray will blow our minds. I can't wait this going to be a great ride!

10-03-2004, 07:09 PM	#59
maximus user Join Date: Jul 2004 Posts: 903	No man I have always heavily favored Blu-ray simply because of the manufacturer support. I also believe the Blu-ray format is superior and has more lifespan, HD DVD is just a short-term fix to get HD on disc with no real future roadmap worked out. For the longest time it was Toshiba vs. everybody and that is just too much to overlook. Then Sanyo joined HD DVD and things were getting interesting, until Sony snapped up MGM.(Sanyo is Japans 3rd largest CE company) Like I said I have no problem with HD DVD I just don't think it stands a chance, even moreso now.