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Old 05-08-2010, 10:14 PM   #1
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Hi folks - posted this on another forum but would like any thoughts from participants here - a rather odd one:

I have a Sony BDP-S560 Blu-ray player connected to a SONY projector via component. I had it set for 720p which the player supports on component (the projector also takes 720p but has no HDMI - it is a few years old).

Anyway, all had been sailing along smoothly until I started watching "Once Upon a Time in China" on DVD. I experienced intermittent loss of video signal but the audio continued playing and the video would come back on after a short loss (the projector seemed to be looking for an input).

I have the same model of player hooked up to an old CRT TV via s-video and tried the DVD on that - it played with no problem - so the disc was not the issue.

As I have had no problems with the player hooked up to the projector up to now on Blu-ray discs I found it odd that it would have problems with DVDs.

So, I went into setup and chose the lowest resolution that the player supported (480i/576i) and guess what - played without a hitch. I can only guess that the upscaling eventually takes its toll and the player lags at times to read ahead and do the conversion.

Does this seem plausible? If so, it is rather annoying as I will have to keep switching between 1080i for my Blu-ray discs (they all play fine with this setting) and back to 480/576 for DVDs to stop the video drop-outs.

I would be interested in comments from anyone who knows more about the technology than I do.

Thanks in anticipation.
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Old 05-08-2010, 10:32 PM   #2
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This one is easy. SD DVDs with copy protection will NOT upscale over component connections. It seems like the player is trying and that is causing the dropouts. When you have the player output set to 720p and you see the video on the screen try hitting the info button on the projector to see what resolution it is receiving. If it says 720p then there is a glitch in the firmware for the BD player. Try updating the firmware for the player, as the player should automatically change the output to 480p over component with SD DVDs that have copy protection on them.

Although it makes no sense IMO, you can use HD resolutions with BD discs, but not with SD DVDs. They are also going to start eliminating HD signals with ICT (Image Constraint Token) with BD discs over component in the next year or so as well. This was something the studios insisted on and is not the fault of the player mfg. The content provider (studios) control such things as they hold the copyright on movies.

You might want to consider selling your projector now before this happens and get one with an HDMI connection while the market for your FP is still good. Once this happens I think your FP missing an HDMI input will lose more value.

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This one is easy. SD DVDs with copy protection will NOT upscale over component connections. It seems like the player is trying and that is causing the dropouts.

Although it makes no sense IMO, you can use HD resolutions with BD discs, but not with SD DVDs. They are also going to start eliminating HD signals with ICT (Image Constraint Token) with BD discs over component in the next year or so as well.

Hope this helps & welcome to the forum!
Very helpful thanks.

Agree that it is rather odd that I can watch HD on BD but not on SD DVD.

Regarding your other comment re ICT - does this mean I won't be able to watch BD through component? - didn't quite follow the impact of this scenario. Why the component hate from the studios?

[edit] Ah, I see - they don't want me to get HD on my old equipment or discs - all a rabid attempt to force me to update my equipment and discs. Really crass imho.

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This one is easy. SD DVDs with copy protection will NOT upscale over component connections. It seems like the player is trying and that is causing the dropouts. When you have the player output set to 720p and you see the video on the screen try hitting the info button on the projector to see what resolution it is receiving. If it says 720p then there is a glitch in the firmware for the BD player. Try updating the firmware for the player, as the player should automatically change the output to 480p over component with SD DVDs that have copy protection on them.
Split this into two for the different topics.

Does this mean I CAN upscale over HDMI, just not over component?

Will check what resolution the projector is receiving as well just for my curiosity [edit - it was showing as 720p - so sounds like the firmware is glitched]. I have the latest firmware - hopefully this will be updated down the track. I tried contacting SONY to ask, got nowhere with them - glad you were able to assist.

All of this must be a nightmare for folks just getting into HD - hard to imagine what the parties concerned are trying to achieve.

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This one is easy. SD DVDs with copy protection will NOT upscale over component connections. It seems like the player is trying and that is causing the dropouts. When you have the player output set to 720p and you see the video on the screen try hitting the info button on the projector to see what resolution it is receiving. If it says 720p then there is a glitch in the firmware for the BD player. Try updating the firmware for the player, as the player should automatically change the output to 480p over component with SD DVDs that have copy protection on them.

Although it makes no sense IMO, you can use HD resolutions with BD discs, but not with SD DVDs. They are also going to start eliminating HD signals with ICT (Image Constraint Token) with BD discs over component in the next year or so as well. This was something the studios insisted on and is not the fault of the player mfg. The content provider (studios) control such things as they hold the copyright on movies.

You might want to consider selling your projector now before this happens and get one with an HDMI connection while the market for your FP is still good. Once this happens I think your FP missing an HDMI input will lose more value.

Hope this helps & welcome to the forum!
Actually it will be SOC (selectable output control) rather than ICT...
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Very helpful thanks.

Agree that it is rather odd that I can watch HD on BD but not on SD DVD.

Regarding your other comment re ICT - does this mean I won't be able to watch BD through component? - didn't quite follow the impact of this scenario. Why the component hate from the studios?

[edit] Ah, I see - they don't want me to get HD on my old equipment or discs - all a rabid attempt to force me to update my equipment and discs. Really crass imho.
Component is analog and has no copy protection that the studios want. I started saying this 5 years ago that the studios will be forcing everything to be through HDMI for the copy protection and that day is coming soon.

The hardware companies have no choice really since who would buy a BD player without any BD content to play on it? The content providers hold most of the cards here, but the benefit mfg get by playing along with the studios (who also need the hardware to play their content they sell) is it forces hardware upgrades. A win/win for them and the consumer gets the shaft as usual.
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Split this into two for the different topics.

Does this mean I CAN upscale over HDMI, just not over component?

Will check what resolution the projector is receiving as well just for my curiosity [edit - it was showing as 720p - so sounds like the firmware is glitched]. I have the latest firmware - hopefully this will be updated down the track. I tried contacting SONY to ask, got nowhere with them - glad you were able to assist.

All of this must be a nightmare for folks just getting into HD - hard to imagine what the parties concerned are trying to achieve.
Next time the screen goes black try to hit the info button then and see if it still says 720p for kicks. I am thinking it might be jumping back and forth when the screen goes black.
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Actually it will be SOC (selectable output control) rather than ICT...
True for his SD DVD issue now, but I was talking about what was coming for him with playing back BD titles over component down the road with the coming ICT changes so he could prepare for that also.
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A win/win for them and the consumer gets the shaft as usual.
I look for some "imaginative" individuals to find a firmware hack or two to get around this. If that is even possible.
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True for his SD DVD issue now, but I was talking about what was coming for him with playing back BD titles over component down the road with the coming ICT changes so he could prepare for that also.
From what I understand, Image Constraint Token is an on/off switch, nothing more whereas SOC can/will limit which outputs can be used for a particular venue, that is to stop any/all analog audio and video from being output/used.
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I believe SOC is a subset of ICT. Either way, that IS going to be a problem for people who have displays with only component inputs.
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Cheers - appreciate the information. Very informative and plenty of food for thought - I really dislike the casual disregard for people who do the right thing and actually buy the content - while those who pirate stuff will carry on regardless.

A similar thing happened with regional coding on DVDs which really affected us in Australia. Only a limited subset of material was ever available and you had to use 'region-free' players if you could get them to watch discs from other regions - and many had firmware issues after they were modified.
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At least SD DVD had static DRM that didn't change. With a BD player you would have to keep buying new hacks every time a studio changes the DRM and maybe even just the BD-Java. That could be about every 3 months depending on the studios.
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At least SD DVD had static DRM that didn't change. With a BD player you would have to keep buying new hacks every time a studio changes the DRM and maybe even just the BD-Java. That could be about every 3 months depending on the studios.
I will be interested to see how my player fares. It is multi-region, apparently in hardware and the store I bought it from assures me it will be OK to update the software as required to keep up with developments. I don't follow the technology but that sounds like the regional coding is static and only the copy-protection will change?
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The reason your BDP-S560 won't play DVD at 480p over component, even though you have the player set to 720p has to be the fact it is a modified player for all-region playback. I don't know much about the way DVD players are modified for sale in Australia to make them all-region. For DVD, all Region A/Region 1 Sony Blu-ray players ignore the resolution setting for DVD over component with protected DVD's, about 99% of commercial DVD's, and just output 480p. How your Australia version player works is the question here but you should not have to change resolution when playing DVD, the player should handle that automatically.

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