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Which Pani Plasma, 1080 or 720

dmatukian
08-19-2009, 02:58 PM
Ok i am getting pulled in many directions. My living room is fairly small... these 42" tvs should be fine. I was originally looking at LCD but hear that plasma is really the way to go for vivid pictures. In terms of resolution. Should i really be sticking with 1080 or should i not worry about it and just stay with 720... we're talking a few hundred dollar difference here so was just curious.

Burning can be combated with image stretching or grey bars correct?

Panasonic - VIERA / 42" Class / 720p / 600Hz / Plasma HDTV
Model: TC-P42X1

Panasonic - VIERA / 42" Class / 1080p / 600Hz / Plasma HDTV
Model: TC-P42U1

Panasonic - VIERA / 42" Class / 720p / 600Hz / Plasma HDTV
Model: TC-P42C1


and where should i buy from and buy extended warranty from? i was just looking at best buy which seemed to have OK prices and I figured would make sense for easy repair if the need should arrive.

Any thoughts?

F91
08-19-2009, 03:18 PM
Buy this one-
Panasonic - VIERA / 42" Class / 1080p / 600Hz / Plasma HDTV
Model: TC-P42U1

I've never needed nor heard of anyone I know ever needing their Panny fixed. The warranty you buy is generally money lost.

DevilsFan
08-19-2009, 03:38 PM
Go with the X1 and save your money. You almost certainly will not notice the difference at 42" unless you watch TV from like 3-4 feet away. For years, the best rated HDTVs were 720p Pioneer Kuros, despite the fact that there were 1080p sets available at the time. 1080p resolution is down the list on things that make a great HD picture. When I was shopping for a new set*, I compared the 50" S1 (1080p) and the 50" X1 (720p) side by side from ten feet away and could not see a difference in picture detail.

* Disclaimer: I ended up buying the 46" S1 but on ly because the X1 was not available in 46". If it had been available in that size, I would have jumped on it and saved myself a couple hundred dollars.

dmatukian
08-19-2009, 04:01 PM
thanks for the response gentlemen. i should have mentioned that i just listed these 3 models from the best buy product pages.

So i should basically save my $150 (i think) for a 3 year coverage plan?

should stay away from best buy in general?

lets say i jumped up to 50" like
Panasonic - VIERA TC-P50X1 - 50" / 720p / 600Hz?

would i still stay at 720? viewing distance in general is going to be at about 8-10 or 11 feet

fly408
08-19-2009, 04:23 PM
I would jump up to 50, which I believe to be almost ideal at that distance. I have the 54 g10 and sit about 8 feet away, its awesome for movies with the black bars but **just a little** too much when watching television (fullscreen). I keep hearing that I will get used to it but its been 3 weeks so maybe not long enough. However if I could move my couch back 1 more foot, it would be perfect so if your going to to 9-10 feet away I'd go 54 :) I'm not one to speak for the 720p/1080p issue as Ive never really noticed a diff since my last tv was a 42 720p and i just got a blu-ray player with the new tv but I remember shopping for my last tv and i considered the 720p and they looked fine, my friend has a 50 720p plasma in his place about 7-8 feet away and it looks great!

dmatukian
08-19-2009, 04:27 PM
but at 50" should i stick with 720 or jump to 1080?

Panasonic X1 (http://www.bestbuy.com/site/olspage.jsp?skuId=9219062&type=product&id=1218061797099)
the reviews are at 4.7 out of 5

DevilsFan
08-19-2009, 04:34 PM
thanks for the response gentlemen. i should have mentioned that i just listed these 3 models from the best buy product pages.

So i should basically save my $150 (i think) for a 3 year coverage plan?

should stay away from best buy in general?

lets say i jumped up to 50" like
Panasonic - VIERA TC-P50X1 - 50" / 720p / 600Hz?

would i still stay at 720? viewing distance in general is going to be at about 8-10 or 11 feet

If you buy with a Visa or MC, your manufacturer's warranty is automatically doubled to 2 years. I wouldn't buy an extended warranty myself, but if you like the peace of mind...

At 50", you will begin to see the benefits of 1080p at a viewing distance of 8 feet. At 12 feet, I doubt you'll notice the difference. Only you can judge whether it's worth the extra $250-$300 to get the extra pixels. Personally, I would go with the X1 since I hate spending money unnecessarily and I do not need to buy the best. But if you're a videophile or someone who has to keep up with the latest tech, go for the 1080p.

dmatukian
08-19-2009, 04:46 PM
and when it comes to plasma i should stick with panasonic over samsung?

DevilsFan
08-19-2009, 04:50 PM
and when it comes to plasma i should stick with panasonic over samsung?

As a rule of thumb, Samsung plasma apparently have more accurate colors. Panasonic plasmas have better blacks. Panasonic is the better of the two in terms of reliability and customer service (Samsung has a pretty wretched customer service record). Personally, I'd go with Panasonic.

PFC5
08-19-2009, 05:28 PM
At 8' a 50" 1080p would be a good fit, but at 11' a 50" 1080p would make it hard to resolve (see the increased resolution over a 720p screen). As you can see that extra 3 ' difference changes the equation a lot.

If you are going to be 8' away, then try to get a 50" 1080p model or at least a 46" 1080p. If you cannot afford the 50" size get the 50" 720p model P50X1. At 11', just get the 720p P50X1 model as this is the largest size in 720p and you will not be able to see the resolution difference but although still too small for the 11' distance is the best match IMO.

Hope this helps!

dmatukian
08-19-2009, 06:27 PM
PFC5, sorry your last sentence confused me. it's looking like 8-9 ft viewing distance in my living room. is 50" going to be too big at that distance?

at 8ft if i go 42" or 50" i should go 1080p or is that only if I'm going 50"?



its so weird to hear people say i'm an idiot if I get 720p and that plasma is no way better than LCD.

dmatukian
08-19-2009, 08:37 PM
ok sorry gentlemen for all the noob annoyances.

viewing distance is 8-9ft. its down to.

TC-P42X1 - 42" 720p
TC-P42U1 - 42" 1080p
TC-P42G10 - 42" 1080p
TC-P46S1 - 46" 1080p
TC-P50S1 - 50" 1080p

Loves2Watch
08-19-2009, 08:49 PM
ok sorry gentlemen for all the noob annoyances.

viewing distance is 8-9ft. its down to.

TC-P42X1 - 42" 720p
TC-P42U1 - 42" 1080p
TC-P42G10 - 42" 1080p
TC-P46S1 - 46" 1080p
TC-P50S1 - 50" 1080p

Go for the 50" s1...

dmatukian
08-19-2009, 09:07 PM
haha. i knew someone would say that.
Loves2Watch....is that a practical response or a response from the thought of 50 delicious inches?

Loves2Watch
08-19-2009, 09:10 PM
haha. i knew someone would say that.
Loves2Watch....is that a practical response or a response from the thought of 50 delicious inches?

No that is the practical solution for your situation. I can't begin to tell you how many times friends and customers said they wished they would have listened and gotten the larger display. Now they just kick themselves, repeatedly.

dmatukian
08-19-2009, 09:17 PM
alright i'll take your word for it. circuitcity actually has the S1 for the cheapest, but i do really like best buy's option of 3 years no interest pay off but its $100 more there

PFC5
08-19-2009, 09:43 PM
I agree with L2W. At that distance if your budget allows, get the P50S1. It IS the best solution for you IMO.

dmatukian
08-20-2009, 05:56 AM
so should i bother with an extended service plan through circuit city or best buy?

devilsfan had said
If you buy with a Visa or MC, your manufacturer's warranty is automatically doubled to 2 years. I wouldn't buy an extended warranty myself, but if you like the peace of mind...

Loves2Watch
08-20-2009, 06:31 AM
so should i bother with an extended service plan through circuit city or best buy?

devilsfan had said

That is totally up to you but I will say that Panasonic TV's are the most reliable of any. Check with your credit card company to see if they extend the warranty if that is of interest to you. Not all of them extend the warranty but most do.

new2plasma
08-20-2009, 10:29 AM
I would have to agree with most of the other respondents here and say that we love our Panasonic 50" I bought it at Sears last fall (TH50PX80U; 720p).

I bought the new Panasonic blu-ray and we watch a lot of movies, and sports. I can't say enough about it and frankly you would have a tough time distinguishing it from a 1080p.

I don't think you can go wrong with a Panasonic- it's a quality product in my opinion.

dmatukian
08-20-2009, 10:50 AM
woohoo.. good call on the credit card company with the extended warranty. They will double whatever is offered from the start.

So how do you get something fixed if you have a problem? do you have to ship it off or something?

also with a purchase, do you gentleman (maybe ladies) recommend doing an in store pickup? or is shipment of these babies safe?

My friend has a 52 inch Samsung plasma and has awful burning on it. Is this a major concern with the 50" S1 that I'm looking at? is this mainly from watching non-HD content?

fly408
08-20-2009, 01:37 PM
I've never seen a 52" inch plasma, I had a 42 Samsung plasma for almost 2 years and I just upgraded more impulsively than anything as I loved my old tv too. I never had burn in on either,I did notice some image shadows remaining on the screen momentarily on the Samsung but then they'd be gone. I don't think burn in is as big of an issue these days.

Loves2Watch
08-20-2009, 01:40 PM
woohoo.. good call on the credit card company with the extended warranty. They will double whatever is offered from the start.

So how do you get something fixed if you have a problem? do you have to ship it off or something?

also with a purchase, do you gentleman (maybe ladies) recommend doing an in store pickup? or is shipment of these babies safe?

My friend has a 52 inch Samsung plasma and has awful burning on it. Is this a major concern with the 50" S1 that I'm looking at? is this mainly from watching non-HD content?

That is/was a problem with Samsung plasma TV's not so with the Panasonics.

In store pick would be the fastest way to get it but remember it has to be shipped to the store in any case...

dmatukian
08-20-2009, 05:21 PM
best buy is $160 more than buydig.com, which seems to have good reviews across the board. they'll also give me some free cables and what not.

so i think that is my best bet. impatience would cost me $160 and i just dont think i have the stomach to shell that out.

anyways thanks everyone for the huuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuge help! i appreciate the time everyone gave me.

will report back after i order and receive the beast.

dmatukian
08-20-2009, 07:01 PM
Khimosaubi..i'm going for a 50" 1080

dmatukian
08-28-2009, 08:43 AM
Ok i finally got my Panasonic 50" S1 plasma screen. Im trying to set the baby up and I seem to be having some issues with the SD channels. For some reason i cant seem to change the color of the bars on the sides of the screen. I thought grey was supposed to stop that.

I noticed the format button on the remote. It's supposed to have an option H-Fill for the SD to be stretched the width of the screen... for some reason, this is not there. Any SD channel i put on i try hitting the format button and it doesnt seem to have the H-Fill. Oneof the formats in the list is 4:3 which adds grey bars... but for some reason the SD doesnt stretch to the grey bars, it still has a bit of black to the left and right of the picture and than the gray bars.

can anyone point me in the right direction?


Nevermind.... i'm dumb as a stump. The issues were in the cable box not the tv. the aspect ratio coupled with other settings were causing issues... all is well

dmatukian
08-30-2009, 01:56 PM
so i finally got the tv and was about 24 hours into the break-in process when i noticed these strange circles on the screen. 3 of them, from left to right, all the same height.

these are not burn ins. i've had the tv for 3 days, not a chance they are burns. plus i've had nothing but static image colors on the screen.

they only appear on brighter screens. they are subtle, but noticeable. like for a bright red screen, the circles appear a bit brighter. i've tried the Anti IR white bars which you can really notice them on, but this has done nothing.

i am extremely bummed out after waiting days to get my first flat screen purchase only to have to deal with this now. unfortunately i got the damn TV through beachcamera.com so returning it is like $60 shipping.

i need a hug

oblioman
08-30-2009, 02:07 PM
Are the rings present with all sources? cable box, bd player ps3,ota??? Have you re-seated the cables???

dmatukian
08-30-2009, 02:13 PM
this is present when running break-in full screen color images, HD source, and the white bar IR scrubber.

i finally managed to get an image of it. had to bump up contrast on my comp so you can see it better.
http://danielmatuk.com/spot.jpg

re-seat the cables? i still really think its an issue with the TV since even when doing the IR white bars its very noticeable. one other person over at AVS forum had this and get no responses so i am having problems figuring it out.

its subtle..almost looks like a big fingerprint smudge... but after wiping and wiping with a shammy, it def isnt.

oblioman
08-30-2009, 02:52 PM
Ouch. This really bites after all of the research you put into this. As for meself, me option would be to return it. Almost looks as if the gas isn't getting charged enough, or to much, in those certain areas. (just a guess). of course another option would be to have the mfg. send out a repair person, but it's a sucky option since nobody wants a new tv that has to be repaired after 3 days of use. me personal choice in plasmas is sammy since me luck has been 100% with their product - but certainly does not help you in this situation. Since you still have about 25 days left on beach's return policy,,,use it as you normally would and with luck, it might come out of it. Please keep us posted.

pappylap
08-30-2009, 06:53 PM
Try running the white scrolling bar over and over for a period of several hours just a thought but it may fix the problem............good luck

dmatukian
08-30-2009, 08:11 PM
i really really think its a defect with this specific tv i got considering no one else has had issues (except for one other person). im confident this is not something i did since upon closer inspection it appears in a grid like setup. sort of like this....

• • •


• • •

...from top to bottom on the screen and spread out all the way from left to right. note: i drastically increased the contrast of the photo on my computer so other viewers could see that i wasnt crazy!!! again... this is very faint and of course under normal tv operation (not a full screen of bright blue or green or red) is unnoticeable. still its a new tv and should operate as such!

i have a tech for panasonic coming to my house in 3 days. i thought about returning/exchanging the plasma to BeachCamera, but return shipping alone is about $120. that is just an insane penalty to pay for something that isnt my fault.

dmatukian
09-08-2009, 02:03 PM
hey everyone. thought i'd grace you with an update. the techs took a look at my tv and said there was no way it was image burn and totally noticed the circular burn-like marks on the screen. panasonic will be replacing the panel and will also be providing me with a 42" plasma loaner while they take 2-4 days to turn around my 50".

All and all the marks werent terribly noticeable but once you see them its hard to ignore them, especially if ever viewing 4:3 or photo stills or lots of 1 color. i basically called tech since it was a 3 day old plasma and didnt know if performance or life span may have been lessened b/c of whatever was happening on the screen.

the techs made an interesting point: b/c of the uniform distribution of the 3 circular marks on the top of the screen and the bottoms, they're thinking that this was possibly a result of residue left by the suction cup automation used to handle the glass of these screens during production...and holy cow does that make sense! it really does have the perfect shape of the assembly line suction cup machines! they ordered a new piece of glass through panasonic just in case this was the problem.

so far nothing but top notch support from panasonic!

will keep you posted

PFC5
09-08-2009, 03:24 PM
Glad they are taking such good care of you and even providing a loaner. This is WHY I bought a Panasonic myself.

dmatukian
09-15-2009, 08:38 PM
i will be getting my Plasma back any day now with a brand new panel... do i need to go through the break-in process again?

PFC5
09-16-2009, 09:22 AM
Yes you do as the panel is what you "breakin".

hotchickinHD
10-26-2009, 08:42 PM
I'm looking at the C1, X1, X14 or S1. Budget is a big factor me as I have none, however, I must weigh a purchase with how happy I'll be 3+ years from now as well as the day I set it up. The S1 is on sale now so it's in the mix. I don't have a blu-ray player but watching Netflix movies streaming to an HDTV is something I can see me using a lot in the future. The feature that leans me towards the S1 is the anti-glare screen the others don't have. Costco has the X14, with an extra warranty year and the Concierge service which at least allows you some sort of free phone call support, but no financing. Best Buy has great financing, interest free for 24 months. But with BestBuy you're on your own unless you buy their overpriced warranty. A place like BuyDig and Amazon I don't think will finance me. A Geek squad person (BestBuy) told me in person today that Panasonic will charge for an in-home service visit during the manufacturers warranty period. (That is a charge for the visit, not parts and labor), somehow I think he was lying. What is your 2-cents opinion on buyer's remorse over the lower cheaper model vs. the S1? And BTW, there will be no video gaming.

PFC5
10-26-2009, 10:16 PM
I'm looking at the C1, X1, X14 or S1. Budget is a big factor me as I have none, however, I must weigh a purchase with how happy I'll be 3+ years from now as well as the day I set it up. The S1 is on sale now so it's in the mix. I don't have a blu-ray player but watching Netflix movies streaming to an HDTV is something I can see me using a lot in the future. The feature that leans me towards the S1 is the anti-glare screen the others don't have. Costco has the X14, with an extra warranty year and the Concierge service which at least allows you some sort of free phone call support, but no financing. Best Buy has great financing, interest free for 24 months. But with BestBuy you're on your own unless you buy their overpriced warranty. A place like BuyDig and Amazon I don't think will finance me. A Geek squad person (BestBuy) told me in person today that Panasonic will charge for an in-home service visit during the manufacturers warranty period. (That is a charge for the visit, not parts and labor), somehow I think he was lying. What is your 2-cents opinion on buyer's remorse over the lower cheaper model vs. the S1? And BTW, there will be no video gaming.

I think Costco sells the S14 which is 1080p like the S1 but without the anti glare screen and it is not a full NeoPDP panel like the S1 is so I think it is worth paying a little more for the S1.

That geek squad guy was full of you know what saying that they charge a in-home fee while under warranty. That is BS lying to you so that you will buy the overpriced warranty they offer that really is 1 year less than stated since it overlaps Panasonics mfg warranty.

Try checking out www.MackCamera.com for a warranty that only starts after the mfg warranty is over and it will save you some money if you really want an extended warranty.

Home this helps!

hotchickinHD
10-26-2009, 10:32 PM
Oh I forgot to say my new TV can't be over 42" due to room size :D

Techlord
10-27-2009, 04:27 AM
i will be getting my Plasma back any day now with a brand new panel... do i need to go through the break-in process again?

It seems you got above average technicians with wisdom and well informed, I'm impressed! Yes you do need to gently break her in again, you will be rewarded for doing so! Just keep it out of torch mode (Vivid mode) and keep it full screen with no side bars and brightness and contrast at around 50%.

dmatukian
10-27-2009, 07:09 AM
I'm looking at the C1, X1, X14 or S1. Budget is a big factor me as I have none, however, I must weigh a purchase with how happy I'll be 3+ years from now as well as the day I set it up. The S1 is on sale now so it's in the mix. I don't have a blu-ray player but watching Netflix movies streaming to an HDTV is something I can see me using a lot in the future. The feature that leans me towards the S1 is the anti-glare screen the others don't have. Costco has the X14, with an extra warranty year and the Concierge service which at least allows you some sort of free phone call support, but no financing. Best Buy has great financing, interest free for 24 months. But with BestBuy you're on your own unless you buy their overpriced warranty. A place like BuyDig and Amazon I don't think will finance me. A Geek squad person (BestBuy) told me in person today that Panasonic will charge for an in-home service visit during the manufacturers warranty period. (That is a charge for the visit, not parts and labor), somehow I think he was lying. What is your 2-cents opinion on buyer's remorse over the lower cheaper model vs. the S1? And BTW, there will be no video gaming.

I went with the S1 and havent looked back! i love the panel. its delicious. and i havent noticed any really annoying glare. it performs quite well in a day lit room. I had an issue with my first one. Panasonic sends local technicians to come take a look at it and it cost me NOTHING! they took the old tv and gave me a loaner and provided me (after a few weeks) with a brand new tv! still loving the S1. i connect my comp to it with a DVI to HDMI cable and watch all my content on it. So pretty!

I got mine from BuyDig. they offered me an extra 2-3 years on top of the manufacturers warranty for like $50. it was nothing on top of the cost of the tv so i took it!

Loves2Watch
10-27-2009, 08:32 AM
I went with the S1 and havent looked back! i love the panel. its delicious. and i havent noticed any really annoying glare. it performs quite well in a day lit room. I had an issue with my first one. Panasonic sends local technicians to come take a look at it and it cost me NOTHING! they took the old tv and gave me a loaner and provided me (after a few weeks) with a brand new tv! still loving the S1. i connect my comp to it with a DVI to HDMI cable and watch all my content on it. So pretty!

I got mine from BuyDig. they offered me an extra 2-3 years on top of the manufacturers warranty for like $50. it was nothing on top of the cost of the tv so i took it!

So glad to hear it worked out so well for you as that is what one should expect from Panasonic...:)

DevilsFan
10-27-2009, 12:40 PM
I went with the S1 and havent looked back! i love the panel. its delicious. and i havent noticed any really annoying glare. it performs quite well in a day lit room. I had an issue with my first one. Panasonic sends local technicians to come take a look at it and it cost me NOTHING! they took the old tv and gave me a loaner and provided me (after a few weeks) with a brand new tv! still loving the S1. i connect my comp to it with a DVI to HDMI cable and watch all my content on it. So pretty!

I got mine from BuyDig. they offered me an extra 2-3 years on top of the manufacturers warranty for like $50. it was nothing on top of the cost of the tv so i took it!

Great story! I remember seeing the pictures you took of those weird circles on your panel over on AVS Forum. It's good to hear that Panasonic treated you so well. I too am ecstatic with my S1. Your story just reinforces that I made the right decision going with a Panny over some other brand.