Do you want HD-DVD Back or Not

I really hope HD-DVD would make a come back.

and I really have some good suggestions for pricing for HD-DVD which will rip Sony's pants off.:D

But at the end it is toshiba which has to implement it.

Hariharan

I really hope HD-DVD would make a come back.

and I really have some good suggestions for pricing for HD-DVD which will rip Sony's pants off.:D

But at the end it is toshiba which has to implement it.

Hariharan

If I am going to have an impossible dream I'd rather it be about naked women and New Castle Brown Ale.

If I am going to have an impossible dream I'd rather it be about naked women and New Castle Brown Ale.

In that order. :lol:

In that order. :lol:

Exactly in that order.:D

If I am going to have an impossible dream I'd rather it be about naked women and New Castle Brown Ale.

what about naked women HOLDING Newcastle in between their cleavage?? :D

I really hope HD-DVD would make a come back.

and I really have some good suggestions for pricing for HD-DVD which will rip Sony's pants off.:D

But at the end it is toshiba which has to implement it.

Hariharan

It would be nice but only a pipe dream due to lack of studio support.

Guys please dont go off topic

Believe me the Studios who joined the Blu-Ray are IDIOTS.

Look at the price of the Discs which we are going to pay.

There is a simple technique which can reduce the price of Blu-Ray as well.

Why the hell couldnt they implement some free codecs like Vorbis,Theora,Dirac,Speex and FLAC

I guess they are using standardized codecs, so that they know most of their discs will play on most players.

I disagree with the statement, that the studios are idiots. Greedy maybe, but not idiots. ;)

Standardize.

Then Why not standardize the Free ones(no patent issues)

Instead of them implementing the codecs from MPEG,DOLBY,DTS and pay a fee to them for the usage of their codec, When they can put that money in R&D of the free codec and reduce the prices.

At this point I really think If TOSHIBA does this it will be more than successful than BluRay(SONY).

what about naked women HOLDING Newcastle in between their cleavage?? :D

That would mean fake boobs and I don't much care for those.

Standardize.

Then Why not standardize the Free ones(no patent issues)

Instead of them implementing the codecs from MPEG,DOLBY,DTS and pay a fee to them for the usage of their codec, When they can put that money in R&D of the free codec and reduce the prices.

At this point I really think If TOSHIBA does this it will be more than successful than BluRay(SONY).

And just how long do you think those codecs would be supported by their makers for free? What incentive would those developers have to generate better technology? That is a failed idea before it was even considered. Sorry.

Standardize.

Then Why not standardize the Free ones(no patent issues)

Instead of them implementing the codecs from MPEG,DOLBY,DTS and pay a fee to them for the usage of their codec, When they can put that money in R&D of the free codec and reduce the prices.

At this point I really think If TOSHIBA does this it will be more than successful than BluRay(SONY).

Maybe the standardized ones are better?

I was a big fan of the HD DVD format myself, but it just ain't coming back period. A movie player without new movies to play on it is nothing more than a paper weight, so even if Toshiba brought the format back, it would still be mostly used as an upscaler since no new movies will be released for a HD DVD player. They do make nice upscalers though. ;)

I don't think HD DVD ever left, it's just been on a long hiatus. It would take a campaign similar to bringing back a TV show. If enough people support it ,it CAN be reincarnated. You got my vote ,I never even considered selling my Toshiba HD DVD ,besides my wife would kill me. It was a birthday present....:D

Do you want HD-DVD Back or Not?

Sure . . .

And I would like to be 30 again.

Not much chance of either of those happening though. :lol:

Do you want HD-DVD Back or Not?

Sure . . .

And I would like to be 30 again.

Not much chance of either of those happening though. :lol:


Lol !!!

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That would mean fake boobs and I don't much care for those.

Small boobs, big boobs, medium boobs, fake boobs I love all boobs.:banana: But don't be a boob thinking HD dvd will come back..:(........sorry........:rolleyes::D.

Maybe the standardized ones are better?

I was a big fan of the HD DVD format myself, but it just ain't coming back period. A movie player without new movies to play on it is nothing more than a paper weight, so even if Toshiba brought the format back, it would still be mostly used as an upscaler since no new movies will be released for a HD DVD player. They do make nice upscalers though. ;)

Just seen this articule...:thumbsup:

Who knows?...;)
http://www.highdefdigest.com/news/show/Anthem_Films/Disc_Announcements/Deadlands_2:_Trapped_on%E2%80%A6_HD-DVD!!/3382

All I would like is for Toshiba to add a dual format player in the future so I can still watch all my old HD-DVDs.:2cents

When Toshiba announced recently that they were going to finally make blu-ray players, that in essence was the final chapter of the HD-DVD saga. They basically threw in the towel.

Toshiba fought the good fight to produce a simpler and low cost way for high-def discs, but was overpowered by the big fish in electronics and video.

HD DVD could actually become a niche market based on the scarcity of the related machines,and media. In addition to the PQ, if there were limited edition discs like the one referenced a few posts above ,and more popular releases ,it could become a millenium Model T....:lol: It will have to take a lot of support ,which at this point is questionable. but since i have an A2,i'm hopeful...:)

Sure, why not have the better format come back.;)

:zzz

:huh Huh? HD DVD is BACK!??!?!

:banana::HD::yippee: "Yea, baby!"

:what: What??? I was dreaming????

:( Ugg!

:thatsit That Sucks!

:censored %#&@^!&## $ony #&#&@@


:crying: Baby come back, any kind of fool could see
There was something in everything about you
Baby come back, you can blame it all on me
I was wrong, and I just can't live without you! :zzz

No.

Chris

HD-DVD is like the Brooklyn Dodgers, on an extended road trip.

HD DVD could actually become a niche market based on the scarcity of the related machines,and media. In addition to the PQ, if there were limited edition discs like the one referenced a few posts above ,and more popular releases ,it could become a millenium Model T....:lol: It will have to take a lot of support ,which at this point is questionable. but since i have an A2,i'm hopeful...:)

There is certainly no scarcity as far as any US domestic HD DVD release I own. I don't believe the market price is above $5 for any of the over 300 single disc titles I own. Most sell for around $3 now, hardly an indication of scarcity.

Chris

Working players will eventually become very scare though. ;)

Working players will eventually become very scare though. ;)

I hope HD DVD players become scarce and valuable. I am ready to cash in. I am tired of losing money on this stuff. You guys got your wish, there is an exclusive upcoming HD DVD release, "Deadlands 2: The Trapped".:)

Chris

I would settle for BD players using HDi instead of BD-Java. :D

I hope HD DVD players become scarce and valuable. I am ready to cash in. I am tired of losing money on this stuff. You guys got your wish, there is an exclusive upcoming HD DVD release, "Deadlands 2: The Trapped".:)

Chris

Why did you invest in HD DVD to begin with? Most of us just bought the movies and the players to keep, not to cash in later. What movies and players cost today compared to what we paid for them are irrelevent, IF they were purchased to use/own indefinitely. Then all that matters is if you thought the HD DVDs were worth the money at the time of purchase, and they were to me (even accounting for the risk of the format war).

Why did you invest in HD DVD to begin with? Most of us just bought the movies and the players to keep, not to cash in later. What movies and players cost today compared to what we paid for them are irrelevent, IF they were purchased to use/own indefinitely. Then all that matters is if you thought the HD DVDs were worth the money at the time of purchase, and they were to me (even accounting for the risk of the format war).

I bought HD DVD to use and have been using it, quite a lot. I believe I have watched about 150 movies or other programs on HD DVD in the approximately 1,000 days I have owned an HD DVD player. That is about once a week on average.

I am ready to cash in if the value goes up significantly due to demand. I consider the chances that happens approximately zero. In a year or two, I won't be using HD DVD as much, and at that time I will likely sell a player or two even though the value won't be much. As usual, I will lose money on something I no longer need. For now, I have an HD DVD player connected to each of three HD displays in service. I actually expect to continue to use HD DVD for the rest of my life, although I can only watch "Balls of Fury" so many times. So far that number of times is zero but I have gotten that one out and close to a player and will probably watch it this year. I can say I don't expect much when I do watch it.

Chris

what about naked women HOLDING Newcastle in between their cleavage?? :D

Indeed, but not a keg . . . not like the cleavage in your avatar.

Did I read this thread right? Toshiba's going to resurect HD DVD and when you buy a player it's going to be delivered by a naked woman with a beer between her brests? I knew Toshiba was a class act but I never expected them to go this far. All I can say is what will happen when you call customer service?

Did I read this thread right? Toshiba's going to resurect HD DVD and when you buy a player it's going to be delivered by a naked woman with a beer between her brests? I knew Toshiba was a class act but I never expected them to go this far. All I can say is what will happen when you call customer service?

If that's the choosen method of delivery - they can bring back VHS! :lol:

If I am going to have an impossible dream I'd rather it be about naked women and New Castle Brown Ale.

Came here to say this.

Hmmm not really, I'll just get whatever cheap HD DVDs are left.

No; I had a LG BH100 as so I could play both Blue-Ray and HD-DVD. One would have to be side by side to compare the difference in quality and I am still not sure who would win. The only reason I had both formats was because each had contracts with different production companies which meant you could not simply just buy the title you wanted in the format you wanted. In all worst grand I ever spent; the player only lasted two years before it stopped playing HD movies, and it had countless issues. Yes, I could have bought two players; one each for HD-DVD and the other BR, which in hindsight is what I should have done per the quality comparisons.

In all, it is better for us to have one format as so all these companies are not battling with the two formats in the end making it more of a pain for us. You may have noticed that Netflix and BB have dramatically increased stock since the end of HDDVD, so we have a better selection now for renting as well. I don’t care which format; they are both awesome in terms of quality, just glad we finally have the move forward solution…

'affordable' thats the key for me, i dont care who makes it or how good the video/sound quaility is i am not paying 30 bucks or more for either format, Blu Ray hasnt shown me the value to consider such an investment, the price of the players and disc is ' feeding the pig's ' , so for now i just buy what i can afford and thats mostly hd dvd's.

so ill just stand aside and watch as the rope get hung !

If you want HD DVD technology so much, buy a CBHD. It's based on HD DVD hardware technology. But CBHD will not play HD DVD movies because the codec is different.

When you buy a HD movie, are you watching the "player hardware" or the movie itself? If you want to watch HD movie, then buy a Blu-ray player. Who cares what hardware is used in the player.

I don't think HD DVD ever left, it's just been on a long hiatus. It would take a campaign similar to bringing back a TV show. If enough people support it ,it CAN be reincarnated. You got my vote ,I never even considered selling my Toshiba HD DVD ,besides my wife would kill me. It was a birthday present....:D

I was a big fan of HD-DVD also and I think it was the better format. But it does not matter how many people support it: without studio support there is no content; that is the ONLY thing that matters.

I still have HD-DVD discs that I have never opened/watched-- so I keep the Toshiba ready; but I do really like the new BD player and all the on-line features (Netflix, Blockbuster, Pandora, you Tube, etc.) lacking in the early ones.

I'm glad the HD-DVD format has your vote. Too bad this is BUSINESS and not an election.

If you want HD DVD technology so much, buy a CBHD. It's based on HD DVD hardware technology. But CBHD will not play HD DVD movies because the codec is different.

When you buy a HD movie, are you watching the "player hardware" or the movie itself? If you want to watch HD movie, then buy a Blu-ray player. Who cares what hardware is used in the player.

You can't buy a CBHD player unless you live in China or know someone from China who can ship it to you.

I know HD DVD ain't coming back, but then again in my house it never left. I know it doesn't matter to many people, but I do appreciate the sleeker working menus and lack of Java in HD DVD...and I swear my XA2 puts out a slightly sharper picture than any of my Blu-ray players. ;)

I would settle for BD players using HDi instead of BD-Java. :D

Probably a better a chance of HD DVD coming back..:(

Probably a better a chance of HD DVD coming back..:(

I know, but we were talking about wishes. :lol:

To me, the biggest drawback to BD is that damn BD-Java.

To me, the biggest drawback to BD is that damn BD-Java.

I second that...:D

In a word Yes....choice makes a marketplace, improper marketing and slander adds were part of the demise. Both formats have their strengths and weaknesses. For me I have the Harry Potter Series in both HD DVD and Blu-Ray....Picture quality and sound in both formats is superb and in the last two movies, Order of the Phoenix and Goblet of Fire not much of a difference, but the HD DVD has sleeker menu seems to be put together much better than the blu-ray and is just over all a better package......Where Batman begins, on Blu- Rocks, and seems to be a little better than the HD DVD version...go figure, but it won't make a comeback, what I wouldn't mind seeing is limited releases of movies much like the current buzz on the Deadlands movie...

In a word Yes....choice makes a marketplace, improper marketing and slander adds were part of the demise.

Slander adds? What does that mean? The demise was brought about because there was one manufacturer of HD DVD players and not much software support. The format didn't do what consumers or the industry wanted and as a result it was doomed to tiny niche status or extinction from the start.

Chris

Originally posted by Rick F
I'm glad the HD-DVD format has your vote. Too bad this is BUSINESS and not an election

Opinions,opinions,you know what they say about those,right Rick...:D

Anyway,given the sheer number of people still lamenting this format,i still feel there could be a resurgence. Don't think there was a lot of lament 18 months after VHS won. Couldn't give my Betamax away..:haha:

Given that I am still using my HD-A2 exclusively and have not taken the BD plunge, I would like to see new films on HD DVD. But it won't happen. I had a set up ready with a new BD Player and a new receiver, but life happened and both went back, first a pay cut then a second kid.

I would agree that I would rather see Tosh deliver a dual capable player at a good price, but will not hold my breath.

Heck, I want Ronald Regan back too . . . he probably will come back with HD-DVD.

im not so sure its dead as i still see people buying HD movies over bd, and the rental stores dont even carry them as no one wants to rent em, or even buy em at the price bd sell for, most folks dont even have a bd player and have no intention of buying one at the price they sell for, looks to me that bd may be dead very soon.

It may not grow very fast because of cost, etc., but HD is a real advantage although fewer people can appreciate the advantage of lossless audio. Renting them is no problem, buying them is expensive. More and more people rent these days, I suspect.

Considering all the studio support for BD, it is far from dead unless a medium presents itself with the same advantages for less money. Streaming is trying to be that competition, but still has a ways to go.

Opinions,opinions,you know what they say about those,right Rick...:D

Anyway,given the sheer number of people still lamenting this format,i still feel there could be a resurgence. Don't think there was a lot of lament 18 months after VHS won. Couldn't give my Betamax away..:haha:

Sony continued to make Beta VCR's until around 2001. There were millions of Beta VCR's sold and almost all studios and many rental stores supported the format for a few years until the mid 80's. It was actually profitable for Sony as prices held firm for the niche market that existed a couple of decades. I personally bought 350 Sony SL-HF750 Beta VCR's and sold them in 1995 and 1996. It was profitable, I made about $10,000. Considering the time it took me to inspect and repair when needed, it wasn't a great hourly rate but worth my time. I ran ads on the recvideo newsgroups, Compuserve, AOL and other online sites.

There wasn't a similar demand for HD DVD, prices hit rock bottom immediately and have stayed there so I wasn't about to attempt the same with that format.

Chris

Sony continued to make Beta VCR's until around 2001. There were millions of Beta VCR's sold and almost all studios and many rental stores supported the format for a few years until the mid 80's. It was actually profitable for Sony as prices held firm for the niche market that existed a couple of decades. I personally bought 350 Sony SL-HF750 Beta VCR's and sold them in 1995 and 1996. It was profitable, I made about $10,000. Considering the time it took me to inspect and repair when needed, it wasn't a great hourly rate but worth my time. I ran ads on the recvideo newsgroups, Compuserve, AOL and other online sites.

There wasn't a similar demand for HD DVD, prices hit rock bottom immediately and have stayed there so I wasn't about to attempt the same with that format.

Chris

Obviously you have a soft spot for dead formats. :D

There could be more demand down the road for HD DVD players, given that the studios (especially Universal) printed up more copies than were thought to exist, and that the format will have exclusive HD titles for longer than what was previously assumed. After next Tuesday, for the first time since Toshiba capitulated, there will be no more "catch up" titles scheduled to be released. Universal is obviously not interested in getting all their HD DVD titles out on BD, in order to appease a handful of purple fans.

Sony continued to make Beta VCR's until around 2001. There were millions of Beta VCR's sold and almost all studios and many rental stores supported the format for a few years until the mid 80's. It was actually profitable for Sony as prices held firm for the niche market that existed a couple of decades. I personally bought 350 Sony SL-HF750 Beta VCR's and sold them in 1995 and 1996. It was profitable, I made about $10,000. Considering the time it took me to inspect and repair when needed, it wasn't a great hourly rate but worth my time. I ran ads on the recvideo newsgroups, Compuserve, AOL and other online sites.

There wasn't a similar demand for HD DVD, prices hit rock bottom immediately and have stayed there so I wasn't about to attempt the same with that format.

Chris

Beta had better picture quality than VHS and there was a reason to continue using Beta tapes after VHS won the format. Movies that came out on both Blu-ray and HD DVD had same picture quality. Today's Blu-ray movies, most have better audio encoding like DTS Master that wasn't used on HD DVD because of disc space. With the market today, movie studios and stores don't want to deal with the dead HD DVD format just because there are HD DVD fans. It's simply not profitable. Having DVD competing with Blu-ray is enough.

I have both Blu-ray and HD DVD movies and Blu-ray is a much more superior technology in the long team. I like the scratch resistance on Blu-ray disc.

The only reason many HD DVD fans like the format is it's not made by Sony and it doesn't have region lock. The lower HD DVD disc manufacturing cost is meaningless to movie studios. A lot of 2 or 3 discs Blu-ray movies could have been easily done on 1 disc but having multiple discs look great for advertising like more discs are more for the money.

I'm for one glad Blu-ray won the format war. I buy the movie to watch it and can care less who made the technology.

At least HD DVD technology lives on CBHD players.

Today's Blu-ray movies, most have better audio encoding like DTS Master that wasn't used on HD DVD because of disc space.

But I have many HD DVD movies that are Dolby True HD and believe me that's just as good as DTS MA...

But I have many HD DVD movies that are Dolby True HD and believe me that's just as good as DTS MA...

If you have TruDolby and DTS MA capable sound receiver, they are very similar quality. For regular DD and DTS sound receiver owners, DTS MA is better because it still provides DTS 1.5Mb audio while TruDolby provides only DD 640Kb audio. Blu-ray extra disk capacity makes it more flexible for movie studios to use Uncompressed PCM, DTS Master or TruDolby. For a long movie, it's much easier to fit on Blu-ray with DTS Master or TruDolby.

The only future for HD DVD fans is go with CBHD.

Obviously you have a soft spot for dead formats. :D

There could be more demand down the road for HD DVD players, given that the studios (especially Universal) printed up more copies than were thought to exist, and that the format will have exclusive HD titles for longer than what was previously assumed. After next Tuesday, for the first time since Toshiba capitulated, there will be no more "catch up" titles scheduled to be released. Universal is obviously not interested in getting all their HD DVD titles out on BD, in order to appease a handful of purple fans.

Beta was never dead during the life of analog VCR's since blank tape was still made and it recorded NTSC video. Recording was always the primary use for a VCR in my household.

Despite the fact HD titles exclusive to HD DVD will continue for some time, HD DVD is dead. No players, no software and unless I am mistaken, no blank media is being manufactured for use by consumers. I know the exception HD DVD release, a joke release about zombies rising is supposedly coming next month but I won't count that as keeping the format alive or as resurrecting the format.

Right now, HD DVD hardware and software prices are so low because supply exceeds demand and demand will continue to decline. It may be possible a couple of selected models will have value in the future, that mostly depends on how well the players in service hold up. It isn't the purple fan that wants Universal and the other studios to release their exclusive HD DVD titles on Blu, it is the Blu fan. Us purple people already own the films in that status wanted. I want all of the studios to focus on doing better with catalog titles that haven't been released yet in HD and worry about catching up with already released titles sometime in the future.

Chris

Beta was never dead during the life of analog VCR's since blank tape was still made and it recorded NTSC video. Recording was always the primary use for a VCR in my household.

Despite the fact HD titles exclusive to HD DVD will continue for some time, HD DVD is dead. No players, no software and unless I am mistaken, no blank media is being manufactured for use by consumers. I know the exception HD DVD release, a joke release about zombies rising is supposedly coming next month but I won't count that as keeping the format alive or as resurrecting the format.

Right now, HD DVD hardware and software prices are so low because supply exceeds demand and demand will continue to decline. It may be possible a couple of selected models will have value in the future, that mostly depends on how well the players in service hold up. It isn't the purple fan that wants Universal and the other studios to release their exclusive HD DVD titles on Blu, it is the Blu fan. Us purple people already own the films in that status wanted. I want all of the studios to focus on doing better with catalog titles that haven't been released yet in HD and worry about catching up with already released titles sometime in the future.

Chris

I meant the former purple owners who probably still have the HD DVDs (or recently sold them) and are waiting for them to come out on Blu-ray. Anyway, I think they are getting tired of waiting. Of course Blu-ray fans want to see them out in HD, either because they like them or sometimes because they don't want HD DVD to have any relevance at all by having exclusives. In any case, like you I would rather they release their best catalogs first, and not worry about catching up. Most likely all they are worried about now is their bottom line, especially in this economy. Universal is really slowing their overall catalog release pace during the busiest time of the year, so it's probably the economy more than anything.

Being "dead" and being useful are two different things. A format that's one of the best out there in terms of PQ and having many exclusives is a desirable format to use in my opinion.

I meant the former purple owners who probably still have the HD DVDs (or recently sold them) and are waiting for them to come out on Blu-ray. Anyway, I think they are getting tired of waiting. Of course Blu-ray fans want to see them out in HD, either because they like them or sometimes because they don't want HD DVD to have any relevance at all by having exclusives. In any case, like you I would rather they release their best catalogs first, and not worry about catching up. Most likely all they are worried about now is their bottom line, especially in this economy. Universal is really slowing their overall catalog release pace during the busiest time of the year, so it's probably the economy more than anything.

Being "dead" and being useful are two different things. A format that's one of the best out there in terms of PQ and having many exclusives is a desirable format to use in my opinion.

I agree. I purchased zero HD DVD's new before Toshiba pulled the plug and have purchased about 200 or so new since the end and have a collection of over 300 titles now. I consider HD DVD the second best format I own but second best in a market that has room for one means little to the marketplace. I now own more HD DVD titles than either SACD or DVD-A although combined the two high resolution audio formats still outnumber HD DVD for me. There were over 5,000 SACD titles released but about 90% are of no interest to me and the few I want and don't have are too expensive.

I have hardware redundancy for all of those dead or dying formats, technically SACD and DVD-A are still alive since some software and hardware is being manufactured. I am now in the same position regarding SACD and DVD-A as I was with HD DVD, I refuse to buy any new releases. Not that that is very difficult, there are so few I want. I would buy the recent and upcoming King Crimson DVD-A releases and recent Porcupine Tree DVD-A release but I want Steve Wilson to get the message to move on to Blu-ray and leave DVD-A behind. As long as we have an rare DVD-A, a rare SACD and a few Blu-ray audio releases, nothing is going to become of the high resolution audio market. All companies need to get behind a single format for high resolution audio to find any market at all.

As I have said before, I don't see the value in downloading or streaming. TiVo just added Blockbuster downloads and I checked prices and I will stick with Blu-ray and DVD unless some plan that makes sense for me is offered. Netfix, Amazon, Jaman ad maybe one or two other services are available with my TiVo but I don't see value with those either. If I am still alive 20 years from now and can still see and hear well enough, I will be using Blu-ray, HD DVD, SACD, DVD-A, DVD-V and CD, that much I can guarantee.

Chris

As a freebie for NF subscribers, I find their streaming continuously improving. The last couple of HD moives I watched had very good PQ and not a glitch over the viewing time,

For now I find it an excellent option for movies with decent story lines or some comedies that don't need full surround to complete the presentation. Or old movies, or TV shows, etc.
And it is only a couple of clicks away.

If they ever get the audio up to the same level as they now have the video, I will certainly be accessing it even more.

Wanted to chime in on something I discovered/noticed today. Blockbuster.com used to have HD DVDs to rent but today when I checked my queue, all the hD DVDs were converted to DVDs or blu-rays. No HD DVD option exists anymore. (sigh).

What a shame too.

As a freebie for NF subscribers, I find their streaming continuously improving. The last couple of HD moives I watched had very good PQ and not a glitch over the viewing time,

For now I find it an excellent option for movies with decent story lines or some comedies that don't need full surround to complete the presentation. Or old movies, or TV shows, etc.
And it is only a couple of clicks away.

If they ever get the audio up to the same level as they now have the video, I will certainly be accessing it even more.

Coming to HD movies, more people only think about the picture quality and seem to forget the audio quality. Also the picture quality is more obvious than audio quality. Why do a lot of people upgrade to HDTV for the better picture quality but don't upgrade the sound system? For advertising, better HD picture quality is easier to understand for general consumers but trying to explain HD audio is difficult. Also not many general consumers have the HD sound system or the speakers setup to enjoy HD audio. But they can enjoy the HD picture on decent HDTV setup.

For myself, not having HD audio for streaming movie is like watching half HD movie.

For streaming movie picture quality, the compression is still too high. When there's a lot of movement or very busy and complex scene, the picture quality drops to macroblocks. On good mastered Blu-ray movies, when there are a lot of movement with busy and complex scenes, the bitrate goes very high to ensure the picture doesn't get overly compressed.

Coming to HD movies, more people only think about the picture quality and seem to forget the audio quality. Also the picture quality is more obvious than audio quality. Why do a lot of people upgrade to HDTV for the better picture quality but don't upgrade the sound system? For advertising, better HD picture quality is easier to understand for general consumers but trying to explain HD audio is difficult. Also not many general consumers have the HD sound system or the speakers setup to enjoy HD audio. But they can enjoy the HD picture on decent HDTV setup.

For myself, not having HD audio for streaming movie is like watching half HD movie.

For streaming movie picture quality, the compression is still too high. When there's a lot of movement or very busy and complex scene, the picture quality drops to macroblocks. On good mastered Blu-ray movies, when there are a lot of movement with busy and complex scenes, the bitrate goes very high to ensure the picture doesn't get overly compressed.


Of course, no one is claiming streaming to be the equal of BD, the best SD transfers, or even 'some' broadcasting. But it is better than a lot of SD viewing which I still do for some older movies or programs than interest me.

Actually, I can not recall any macroblocking on movies I watched via my Roku, but then I never streamed movies like Dark Knight, Transformers, etc. even if they were available. The audio of course, being a big part of the reason.
But as a freebie it can be a useful venue.

It also goes without saying a fast & reliable ethernet connection is also mandatory.

HD DVD could actually become a niche market based on the scarcity of the related machines,and media. In addition to the PQ, if there were limited edition discs like the one referenced a few posts above ,and more popular releases ,it could become a millenium Model T....:lol: It will have to take a lot of support ,which at this point is questionable. but since i have an A2,i'm hopeful...:)

I agree with this poster.

If anyone siad in 1974 when Forman lost to Ali, that Foreman would comeback 20 years later and regain the title and knock out an undefeated world champion they would have locked him up!

They won't come back to where they were, but it is possible to slowly comeback in the way this poster said it could in the quote.

It can be seen as the Rolls Royce of formats with special editions.

Click this... and buy the HD DVD... the director actually says this is an experiment to see if other other studios will follow.
http://www.dreadcentral.com/news/33495/deadlands-2-trapped-bucks-trend-will-be-hd-dvd

This director, like me loves comebacks... but he needs us!
COME ON! Keep the dream alive.
The Wrath of Khan!
Chris... start the official HD DVD comeback thread!
After you buy the disk... they even ask you to write the director in this link.
http://www.dreadcentral.com/news/33495/deadlands-2-trapped-bucks-trend-will-be-hd-dvd

Buy movie in same link.

Personally I bought an HD DVD player and HD DVD's before I got Blu-ray. I only got it because the player was $100 at Wal-Mart during one of those secret sales deals.

I think both formats are great. I don't see the format coming back though. I have more BR's now then HD DVD's so I am going to stick with Blu-ray for now. If HD DVD came back would I buy them? Depends...

Yes to the movies, no to the Hardware. The transfers were great, but the Toshiba machines were unreliable. I have two, a D3 and A30, plus a dual Blu/HD DVD player by Samsung and hate the two Toshiba machines. Freeze ups, etc.

Anyone wonder how many unsold copies of HD DVD movies when Blu-ray won the format battle? After almost 2 years later, there are still a lot of unsold HD DVD movies at iNetvideo, Amazon and many 3rd party resellers.

Reason I ask is Hollywood movie studios must have manufacturered a lot of copies for each of the HD DVD movies and planned to slowly sell them over the years. How many percent of the HD DVD movies were unsold at the beginning of 2008?

Some of the triple-dip DVD movie discs looked like they were manufacturered a lot time ago and all the movie studios did is reprint a new box art insert to make them look like new edition.

With many HD DVD owners in this thread still wanting HD DVD movies, would anyone willing to pay $100+ per for new HD DVD movie releases? Since it's only possible to sell a very small amount of HD DVD movies compared to Blu-ray, the markup for HD DVD edition has to be very high to justify it.

It's like buying Records today. There are highly priced. At least with Records, the sound quality is different from CD which has a reason to live on.

With HD DVD, there is no benefit and less benefits now compared to Blu-ray because of the limited 30GB disc capacity. It can't have DTS HD Master audio unless the movie is very short. With the bonus materials now mostly in HD on Blu-ray, HD DVD simply cannot have it. It was the reason most HD DVD movies bonus materials were in SD and audio in either DD+ or TruDolby to fit onto a 30GB disc. The never released 51GB HD DVD will not surface now because of addition development required to make existing HD DVD players work assuming they are even compatible.

Being an owner of both HD DVD and Blu-ray players, I don't see any benefit or reason for any new HD DVD releases. I still have more HD DVD movies than Blu-ray movies when many unsold HD DVD movies were dumped for super low price. With more older Blu-ray movies now around $10, there isn't any reason left to buy the remaining HD DVD movies.

While on this topic, has anyone seen CBHD movie picture and sound quality? Do CBHD movies have high bitrate, TruDolby, DTS HD Master and HD bonus materials? Reason is I have a few DVD movies from China/Hong Kong and they are generally aren't very good quality compared to Hollywood DVD movies.

Anyone wonder how many unsold copies of HD DVD movies when Blu-ray won the format battle? After almost 2 years later, there are still a lot of unsold HD DVD movies at iNetvideo, Amazon and many 3rd party resellers.

Reason I ask is Hollywood movie studios must have manufacturered a lot of copies for each of the HD DVD movies and planned to slowly sell them over the years. How many percent of the HD DVD movies were unsold at the beginning of 2008?

Some of the triple-dip DVD movie discs looked like they were manufacturered a lot time ago and all the movie studios did is reprint a new box art insert to make them look like new edition.

The HD DVD quantity manufactured compared to quantity sold before the end must have been really weird. For hundreds of titles, the ones available now for $2 or so, there must have been a few thousand sold when Toshiba abandoned the format and a few hundred thousand manufactured. It is really funny and I had no idea before it was too late and I had already purchased the titles for $10. One things is for certain, Universal wasn't going to let lack of adequate inventory result in lost sales. I can only speculate as to what Universal and Warner and Paramount were thinking. For almost two years, a small market has been purchasing the HD DVD rather than the Blu-ray version at a tiny fraction of the cost, these companies would have been better off to destroy the remaining HD DVD inventory rather than liquidate it at $1/disc to the various retailers. I don't think these companies will line up to fight another format war anytime soon.

Maybe Toshiba paid each company for every disc manufactured?:)

Chris

Yes to the movies, no to the Hardware. The transfers were great, but the Toshiba machines were unreliable. I have two, a D3 and A30, plus a dual Blu/HD DVD player by Samsung and hate the two Toshiba machines. Freeze ups, etc.

That's strange. I have the A2 and A20 and have had almost no issues with either. I have read though in several places that the 2nd generation of HD DVD players were the most reliable.

Yes to the movies, no to the Hardware. The transfers were great, but the Toshiba machines were unreliable. I have two, a D3 and A30, plus a dual Blu/HD DVD player by Samsung and hate the two Toshiba machines. Freeze ups, etc.

I have not had any problems at all with my 2nd and 3rd generation Toshiba HD DVD players.

The HD DVD quantity manufactured compared to quantity sold before the end must have been really weird. For hundreds of titles, the ones available now for $2 or so, there must have been a few thousand sold when Toshiba abandoned the format and a few hundred thousand manufactured. It is really funny and I had no idea before it was too late and I had already purchased the titles for $10. One things is for certain, Universal wasn't going to let lack of adequate inventory result in lost sales. I can only speculate as to what Universal and Warner and Paramount were thinking. For almost two years, a small market has been purchasing the HD DVD rather than the Blu-ray version at a tiny fraction of the cost, these companies would have been better off to destroy the remaining HD DVD inventory rather than liquidate it at $1/disc to the various retailers. I don't think these companies will line up to fight another format war anytime soon.

Maybe Toshiba paid each company for every disc manufactured?:)

Chris

Well it depends on the title, but I would guess on average about 20,000 per major studio title were sold by the end of the format war, and probably about 3 times as many made. Having that many discs out there (perhaps 20 million) will keep player demand higher down the road than it otherwise would have.

[quote=Vortex3D;962841]With many HD DVD owners in this thread still wanting HD DVD movies, would anyone willing to pay $100+ per for new

Oh boy....I have to get in on this one and just state my case for HD-DVD and Blu-Ray. Some of you have already said some of the same things I was going to state. I truly believe from my study that just because you have 30GB disk versus a 15GB disk doesn't necessarily mean that a movies is going to be better on a bigger disk. This is to each his own. Remember, we always have great reviews on movies that the the general public considers bad. A good example is 2012. I saw it, and it was much better than Poseiden hands down in my honest opinion. In addition, it's getting bad reviews, but for such a bad movie the damn movie made a whopping $65 million the opening weekend. Now, I am still collecting HD-DVD's. Some people say as another example that the first Transformers on HD-DVD looks better, but sounds better on Blu-Ray. Hell, if you really want to go there, we don't even want to talk about Band of Brothers on HD-DVD versus the Blu-Ray version. I've seen the side-by-side screenshots from a nother member in another forum and the damn HD-DVD version looked a tad bit better than the blu-ray version. In fact, the darn HD-DVD version still is retailing for $150.00+ and I would pay for it in a heartbeat. We really don't want to get started here with quality. What about the beautiful French Terminator 2 Steelbook eddition on HD-DVD? What about Pan's Labyrinth on HD-DVD? What about the French version of Crank and the way it was packaged? The sound and quality is excellent on HD-DVD.

Now, let's talk about sound. I've heard films in DTS-HD and Dolby Digital switched in a sound/video room. In personal opinion, and as an advid movie guy, I didn't hear any difference. They are both great. However, some of you may differ. That's okay. I respect that fully. I personally, just purchased an Toshiba A-1 yesterday and updated the firmware in about 19 minutes flat via ethernet and the thing is wonderful. I paid $50.00 and the person who had it in Southern California never really used it. Lastly, I haven't had the opportunity to say this. Since I've been doing a great deal of research about HD-DVD and Blu-Ray, I've come to the conclusion from a neighbor that worked in the industry for years is that the quality of a film to Blu-ray and HD-DVD also depends on how and who tranferred that movie. A good example is The Wizard of Oz. They took that film and broke it down frame-by-frame and cropped, edited, and re-sounded each and every scene to make it much better. Sure, it's on blu-ray, which I can say I love. Moreover, my point is that whether a film is on HD-DVD or Blu-ray. It just depends on how that movies was broken down and transferred to a particular medium. I'm not downing blu-ray(I love it), but I'm not going to put down HD-DVD because it is a wonderful format. And hell yeah I'm going to continue to purchase the likes of The Shining on HD-DVD when I can get that version for $5.99 brand new versus the Blu-ray version at say $19.99. That sounds stupid to me personally. Peace....Man, I have said so much and can go on forever.

I haven't that CBD yet. I can't wait to see it though. Remember, I think one of the major studios like Warner Brothers has signed on to advocate this medium in China. One last thing. My neighbor and I were talking about how it was the studios that in my honest opinion that pushed the blu-ray medium. Toshiba pushed HD-DVD until they had no choice anymore. Hell, remember Toshiba just release their first ever Blu-Ray player just a month or two ago. And here we are in 2009 still talking about HD-DVD. Somebody must love or we wouldn't be having so much discussion about it. I'm out....

Question about an HD title I just got Queen Rock Montreal & Live Aid on E-Bay, It will not play in any of my HD DVD players the disc looks legit and the packaging looks no different from any other HD DVD movies I have , about 275 or so this is the first one I ever got that says the following"This disc will not play it is not in dvd format what the heck is this a bad bootleg or what I wanted to watch before the football game but I am S.O.L. at this point any thoughts about this from our HD DVD experts, Thanks sawz..

Question about an HD title I just got Queen Rock Montreal & Live Aid on E-Bay, It will not play in any of my HD DVD players the disc looks legit and the packaging looks no different from any other HD DVD movies I have , about 275 or so this is the first one I ever got that says the following"This disc will not play it is not in dvd format what the heck is this a bad bootleg or what I wanted to watch before the football game but I am S.O.L. at this point any thoughts about this from our HD DVD experts, Thanks sawz..

It could be a bad disc, but more than once I have run an unplayable HD DVD disc under hot water for about 15-30 seconds, and then it did play for me.

It could be a bad disc, but more than once I have run an unplayable HD DVD disc under hot water for about 15-30 seconds, and then it did play for me. Thanks Bruce , I'll try the Hot Water approach before I chalk it up. lol.

I guess I got rooked this time, first in a long long time on E-Bay but it just won't work and the seller didn't answer me yet so Ill wait and see I rinsed it with hot water let it air dry and buffed it off with a micro fiber cloth and still nothing all of my players say the same thing (disc cant play it is not in dvd format), any one have a queen hd dvd to sell me, lol.

That sucks, Saw. Hopefully the ebay seller will make good (if he ignores you or balks, threaten him with negative feedback if you haven't already given him feedback), or at least you find another copy cheap.

I guess I got rooked this time, first in a long long time on E-Bay but it just won't work and the seller didn't answer me yet so Ill wait and see I rinsed it with hot water let it air dry and buffed it off with a micro fiber cloth and still nothing all of my players say the same thing (disc cant play it is not in dvd format), any one have a queen hd dvd to sell me, lol.

Based on my experience, an HD DVD not playing on a specific player has been because of the player 100% of the time. Trying it in a different player always works eventually. I have several models to try. Most often the problem discs have been dual sided combo discs and not a straight HD DVD like this one however. You might try to find information about your player and that disc, maybe on AVSForums, to see if there have been reports of problems. The latest firmware from Toshiba, version 4.0, fixed most playback problems I had but not all.

If the disc looks legitimate and isn't scratched, it almost certainly isn't any different than any other for that title and the seller hasn't done anything wrong. I have never heard of a bootleg HD DVD and I don't think anybody is going to start now with HD DVD prices what they are. If I recall correctly, that is an Image Entertainment or Eagle Rock release and you might contact whatever company released it to see if they are aware of any issues.

My guess is there is nothing wrong with the disc, at least nothing that isn't wrong with every disc manufactured for that title, and any problems are related to a format that began and died in its infancy with some players working better for some discs than others. Also when a player starts to go bad, not loading some discs, it is a gradual process sometimes before eventually no HD DVD's will load. PFC5 has had at least a couple quit loading HD DVD if I recall correctly and I have read of a number of others with the same story.

Chris

Question about an HD title I just got Queen Rock Montreal & Live Aid on E-Bay, It will not play in any of my HD DVD players the disc looks legit and the packaging looks no different from any other HD DVD movies I have , about 275 or so this is the first one I ever got that says the following"This disc will not play it is not in dvd format what the heck is this a bad bootleg or what I wanted to watch before the football game but I am S.O.L. at this point any thoughts about this from our HD DVD experts, Thanks sawz..

Try unplugging the HD DVD player until the red light goes out completely. Then boot it up again and try the disc.

Thanks PFC and Chris I actually tried the disc in my A-20, my A-30 and also my A-35 so I can rest assured it is not all three players, yeah I know I bought em when they around 50.00 dollars so three players for under 200.00 was a real bargain in my eyes anyway back to the disc it just wont play and it is an Eagle brand which is the same as two others I have and they both play fine..I will replace it with another while I still can , my goal is to have all the music HD DVD available I think they blow away most "other" music video but thats another story, lol.

If it doesn't play in any of the HD DVD players you have and this is the only problem disc it is likely a defective disc. But who knows if all the discs mfg for the run are defective or not. Try calling the distributor and see if they will exchange the disc for free. I bet most have discs lying around after the fast demise of HD DVD.

Good luck!

I don't recall if I have the HD DVD or Blu-ray of that Eagle Queen concert but I will check later when I get the chance.

Chris

Mine works.