Any SED Display news?

Any news from Canon on their SED Displays?

I really can't wait to see these things hit the market. Maybe even a Sony XBR model one day!!! That would be killer!

For anyone who is not familiar, here is a explanation (http://www.canon.com/technology/detail/device/sed_display/) of the technology from Canon. These sets will essentially give us the performance of a CRT in the form factor of a Plasma. Giving us the beautiful picture of CRT with nearly limitless size.

Any news from Canon on their SED Displays?

I really can't wait to see these things hit the market. Maybe even a Sony XBR model one day!!! That would be killer!

For anyone who is not familiar, here is an explanation (http://www.canon.com/technology/detail/device/sed_display/) of the technology from Canon. These sets will essentially give us the performance of a CRT in the form factor of a Plasma. Giving us the beautiful picture of CRT with nearly limitless size.

This article from January 25th, 2005 is 6 months old today and you probably already saw it. But for those who didn't, here ya go:

SED (http://www.crutchfieldadvisor.com/ISEO-rgbtcspd/reviews/20050119/ces_TV.html)
I too am extremely excited about the possibilities of this new technology. If this does come to market as anticipated and prices fall drastically as production increases, this could quickly become the #1 high-end display for video enthusiasts and average consumers alike. My long range plan has been to get a 50" plasma in about 3 years to replace my 34" DV-CRT, but this SED could very easily point me in another direction if it works as planned for Canon/Toshiba.

Thanks for keeping this topic on the radar screen. :hithere:

Everything I've read on SED indicates Toshiba plans to dominate the market with this tech, their "Trinitron" as some reporters have said.
They were planning to push SED bigtime in 2005/6 but it looks like its been delayed until 2006/7, the latest I've read states we'll probably see a 50" SED sometime in 2006 with full production in 2007. The first 50" SED is expected to cost a "little more" that a comparatively featured PDP. Toshiba has very high expectations for SED and there is no doubt they will be revolutionary, combining the best qualities of CRT, PDP, and LCD all into one...I have also read they plan to use their "CELL" processor in one form or another in these TVs.
We will get CRT quality blacks and shadow detail, plasma-like screen uniformity, and better than LCD response times(1 ms) along with 1080p res and very low power consumption.

Everything I've read on SED indicates Toshiba plans to dominate the market with this tech, their "Trinitron" as some reporters have said.


"Trinitron" is Sony's technology... Definition of Trinitron (http://www.cnet.com/Resources/Info/Glossary/Terms/trinitron.html)

I too am extremely excited about the possibilities of this new technology. If this does come to market as anticipated and prices fall drastically as production increases, this could quickly become the #1 high-end display for video enthusiasts and average consumers alike. My long range plan has been to get a 50" plasma in about 3 years to replace my 34" DV-CRT, but this SED could very easily point me in another direction if it works as planned for Canon/Toshiba.

Thanks for keeping this topic on the radar screen.

It's almost one of those too good to be true type things isn't it? I have to admit, this technology has got me excited like a little kid again, not sure why... I think it's the just the prospect of getting everything I want with no compromises. I hope they dont skimp on the quality, and are not afraid to license the technology out to other manufacturers.

"Trinitron" is Sony's technology... Definition of Trinitron (http://www.cnet.com/Resources/Info/Glossary/Terms/trinitron.html)

Yes Trinitron is Sonys baby, if my first sentence of that post is misleading that's unfortunate...
BTW good luck in hoping for that SED XBR. With SXRD, LED, and FED in Sony's plans you won't be seeing Sony SED anytime soon. As you are well aware Sony is a leader in display technology, not a follower...

Ya, I can wish in one hand, **** in the other... right?

Maybe.

I think I understand your wording now... it just appeared that you thought Trinitron was Tosh's technology. My apologies.

I've been digging up alot of news from last year on this. Heres the most recent article I found about a Toshiba SED Display from April 2005.

Toshiba SED Dispay with 100,000:1 Contrast Ratio! (http://techon.nikkeibp.co.jp/english/NEWS_EN/20050421/104026/)

Here is another one with Toshiba claiming full production by March of 2006. This article is also from April this year.

Toshiba to go production (http://www.computerworld.com.sg/ShowPage.aspx?pagetype=2&articleid=856&pubid=3&issueid=45)

And here is an article from last month stating Canon's financial commitment to the technology.

Canon to invest $1.7 Billion in new facility (http://cio.co.nz/cio.nsf/0/B33D595E46D982A6CC2570120074DD8D?OpenDocument&More=Technology)

bump...

Just read that Toshiba and Canons new joint company, SED Inc., has selected its final manufacturing facility.

Brief Highlight:

Overview of Toshiba Himeji Operations (in Taishi area)
Location : 300, Ikaruga, Taishi-cho, Ibo-gun, Hyogo Pref.
Established : January 1960
General Manager : Makoto Harigae
Employee : 1,300
Site Area : 183,000 square meters

Full Story (http://www.toshiba.co.jp/about/press/2005_05/pr3101.htm)

Good to see they are still making progress and that things are moving along.

TV Screens Face A Dazzling New Rival
SED displays rival plasma and LCDs, but mass production may be a problem

In the TV industry, no debate is better rehearsed than the squabble over the relative merits of plasma and liquid-crystal displays. Both are flat, but plasma proponents tell you their technology is better for larger TVs, while LCD lovers say their screens offer higher-resolution and lower power consumption. Advertisement

The debaters may have to come up with a new set of arguments. By yearend, SED Inc., a joint venture between Canon Inc. (CAJ ) and Toshiba Corp. (TOSBF ), will begin producing screens for a new kind of flat television. The companies say the technology -- called surface-conduction electron-emitter display, or SED for short -- offers better images than rival systems while consuming one-third the power used by plasma and about half that of LCDs. "We believe the partnership will be a big success," says Canon President Fujio Mitarai.

To prove it, Canon trots out a 36-inch prototype at its Hiratsuka plant near Tokyo. Dark colors appear richer than those on LCDs, while letters crossing the screen are far clearer than with plasma displays. The only place where SED appears less crisp than rivals is in brightly lit rooms -- the kind you might find at an electronics store. "In the living room, I don't think there will be a big difference," says Shunichi Uzawa, president of SED Inc.

With SEDs, the companies have combined the sharp resolution of traditional tube TVs with the size and weight of flat screens. While most experts say CRTs offer a better image than plasma or LCD, the picture tends to deteriorate toward the edge of the screen, and they look clunky next to sleek flat panels. CRTs use a single big picture tube that's almost as deep as it is high. SEDs, by contrast, give each pixel -- or dot of color -- its own tiny electron source, effectively creating thousands of CRTs. That means the screens can be just a few centimeters thick, and picture quality is as crisp at the corners as it is in the center. "The performance of SEDs is outstanding," says Hisakazu Torii, an analyst at market researcher DisplaySearch.

LESS IS MORE EXPENSIVE
Yet for all of SED's apparent advantages, rival technologies don't yet have much to fear. For one thing, it will take Canon and Toshiba years to reach mass production. The companies won't get beyond 75,000 SED TVs a month before 2008 and are predicting 250,000 a month in 2010. By contrast, Matsushita Electric Industrial Co. (MC ) alone plans to produce 400,000 plasma TVs monthly by the end of 2006. "SED is an excellent technology, but there is a long way to go before it can be mass-produced," says Takeshi Uenoyama, director of Panasonic's Advanced Technology Research Laboratories.

Size problems and manufacturing costs may be bigger concerns. SED Inc. will initially produce panels for 50-inch TVs and expects to make 40-inch models sometime later. But making smaller screens means squeezing each pixel and its electron gun closer together, which adds complexity and cost. And TV prices are in free fall. DisplaySearch expects 50-inch plasma prices to tumble by 30% this year, while LCDs are dropping even faster. "I cannot see [SEDs] selling alongside existing plasma technology for the same price for the same screen size," says Paul O'Donovan, an analyst with researcher Gartner Dataquest.

SED Inc.'s Uzawa says SEDs will be "competitive" but admits that their introduction has been postponed as Canon and Toshiba have struggled to bring down production costs. Indeed, Canon has been working on SEDs since 1984. Satomi Ushioda, an analyst at Nikko Citigroup (C ) in Tokyo, predicts there could be further delays -- especially since the companies aren't willing to share the technology with other manufacturers, which could help lower costs. That might disappoint consumers with an eye for great pictures. But it would give plasma and LCD makers lots of time to hone new arguments before SED makes its debut.



By Ian Rowley in Hiratsuka, Japan

Hopefully they can bring down production costs much sooner than the reporter indicates.

Production should be starting this month!!! :yippee:

Hopefully anyway, every news article for the last year has said so.

I just barely heard of this technology and am greatly anticipating on seeing one in the near future.

Toshiba unveils an SED set in Germany (http://www.prad.de/en/news/shownews398.html). Article dated August 10th.

An international debut is expected at the German IFA 2005 Show (http://www1.messe-berlin.de/vip8_1/website/MesseBerlin/htdocs/www.ifa-berlin.de/index1.html) in September.

I have butterflies in my stomach. :banana:

http://www.photondynamics.com/img/wsj.html

http://www.candescent.com/

What is the relevance of these posts? The first article is over 3 years old. I can see what you are implying, but SED displays are actually competitive with LCD. Unlike the ThinCRT technology discussed in those articles.

What is the relevance of these posts? The first article is over 3 years old. I can see what you are implying, but SED displays are actually competitive with LCD. Unlike the ThinCRT technology discussed in those articles.

except I am talking about SED my friend. The technology belonged to Candescent Technologies Corporation and they sold it to Canon. So while you say tomato I say tomato. Do yourself a google search on Candescent and you will se that they perfected the technology but could not bring it to market.

The point of these post is background.

Do yourself a google search on Candescent and you will see...

And Google I did, in which I learned quite a bit. :rolleyes:

Canon began the intitial research for this type of display in 1986.

Candescent was founded in 1991, although their particular twist on this technology was called FED (Field Emissive Display).

Early in 1998, Candescent spends $475 Million to build a massive R&D facility in San Jose California. Later that year, Sony and Candescent announced a partnership in which they would attempt to compete with Canon.

1999, Canon begins working with Toshiba with the aim of commercializing an SED product as quickly as possible.

In 2000, Sony and Candescent publicly announce their continued efforts and officially extend their partnership.

In 2004 when Candescent could no longer continue to operate, Sony excersized their contractual right to exit the partnership, and chose to focus on other technologies such as SXRD and soon OLED's which will compete directly with SED's.

In a rightfully smart business move, Canon purchased Candescents assets and intellectual property in August of 2004.

Having now eliminated one of the largest possible threats in the SED arena, and also aquiring a large amount of additional technical knowledge, Canon and Toshiba formed SED Inc. in October of 2004.

--> Canon's 1989 Patent Filing (http://patft.uspto.gov/netacgi/nph-Parser?Sect2=PTO1&Sect2=HITOFF&p=1&u=%2Fnetahtml%2Fsearch-bool.html&r=1&f=G&l=50&d=PALL&RefSrch=yes&Query=PN%2F4958104)

Interestingly, Candescents first patents were filed in 2001. Some of which are still owned by Sony. I suppose Canon didnt get absolutely everything.

Canon spending $181 Million on flat panel research facility dedicated to SED technology.

At least it appears they are commited for the long term. First an actual manufacturing facility, and now this.

Original Article dated August 22, 2005 (http://today.reuters.com/business/newsArticle.aspx?type=technology&storyID=nT137013)

I just want to see one in person. :)