Why is this sub-forum called "ISF Calibration"?

Isn't that a bit misleading?
And wouldn't it provide a better service to forum members to have a subforum titled simply "Calibration"?

After all, as I understand it, ISF is a for profit organization involved in the industry.
So promoting "ISF" calibration is promoting a for profit activity at the expense of other equally qualified, trained and talented professionals who also calibrate televisions.

I believe that equipment manufacturer's such as Sencore and Data Color also provide training seminars in the use of their equipment and the procedures associated with television calibration and that their seminars are more costly and extensive that the certification seminars provided by ISF. Additionally, THX provides similar training and certification.

So, perhaps there ought to be a "Sencore Calibration" and a "Data Color Calibration" and a "THX Calibration" sub formum as well . . .

. . . or wouldn't it make sense to simply rename this sub forum "Calibration" and avoid the apparent endorsement of ISF over other equally trusted and reliable professional organizations?

1st. I didn't name it.

Second, I was unaware that ISF was any different that the ISA, IEEE or any number of other professional organizations that create and further industry standards.

You mentioned Sencore. Sencore is a ISFccc Technology Partner as well as a number of others are. The Sencore seminars and training are ISF seminars, cheaper yes (free for me) but also a bit like the time share pitches. Basically a sales seminar to sell their very expensive equipment.

As far as the name goes, it seems reasonable to shorten it to Calibration.

The Sencore seminars and training are ISF seminars . . .
Last time I checked, the "Sencore Academy " no longer incorporates ISF involvement.

Indeed, in times past, both Sencore and Data Color have "teamed" with ISF for some of their seminars.
However, at this time they all seem to have gone their own way.

And really, it's a bit more than a "time share sales pitch" as the overview and features clearly indicate.
http://www.sencore.com/markets/a-v-installation-calibration/9

As far as the name goes, it seems reasonable to shorten it to Calibration.
I would think so.
Perhaps someone can offer a stickey with a survey of all of the industry training being offered, indicating, duration, subject matter covered, cost, etc. That would be informative.

OOPS!

After a more careful reading of the Sencore Academy info, it appears that they do still incorporate ISF certification as an "optional" element of their training.

Sorry about that.

It may just be a case of "1st dibs"

Since Joel Silver incorporated the Imaging Science Foundation in 1994 at a time when accuracy in imaging was not on the minds of large television manufacturers let alone the general consumer public, it could be argued that he "fathered" consumer display calibration practices. Of course, Joe Kane of JKP and others were also instrumental in bringing accuracy to the GP.

Personally, I agree with Rbinck. Changing the title of this area to "calibration" poses no issue for me.

On the other hand Videeo, you mention "Sencore" and "Data Color- formerly "Milori", alluding to ISF's "for profit" status. While Sencore makes all kinds of testing equipment and has "For Profit" well learned, Milori, upon inception, brought the initial price down to earth as far as the testing equipment itself is concerned. Still Datacolor/Milori is also "For Profit".

Being "for profit" is not a bad thing, at least not yet. Folks that take the time and have the initiative to start an organization that brought TV makers to the point where most calibration controls are now in user menus (I never thought I'd see that happen) deserve credit when credit is due. Sencore, Datacolor, Calman, Controlcal and others are just riding the ISF wave.

But again, if the title Calibration is more on point for being politically correct, cool. If you have other motives, and in my opinion it appears that you might (Videeo), then put those on the table for further discussion.

Personally, my dog in the fight, is bias towards anything that gets the information to the GP that accurate images are indeed possible now from their TV's. If this Calibration thread helps one more person to see the light, so to speak, Hoo Rah!

Doug k

Television is a for profit industry. If it were not companies wanting to make profit, there would be no TV. I assure you the government and Public Broadcasting would not have developed TV just for our entertainment or information.

Promoting for profit activity is not a bad thing. It is a very good thing. Certainly inferring that ISF is the only organization that can properly calibrate an HD TV is misleading-- but all informed readers clearly understand that ISF is not the only game being played. But it helps make the distinction between those that truly calibrate a set and those that buy a "calibration disc" to help them adjust their HDTV.

I think "Professional Calibration" would be a good name

On the other hand Videeo, you mention "Sencore" and "Data Color- formerly "Milori", alluding to ISF's "for profit" status. While Sencore makes all kinds of testing equipment and has "For Profit" well learned, Milori, upon inception, brought the initial price down to earth as far as the testing equipment itself is concerned. Still Datacolor/Milori is also "For Profit".
Indeed, that is my point exactly and it should be well understood that all of the mentioned companies are "for profit" organizations.

Being "for profit" is not a bad thing, at least not yet. Folks that take the time and have the initiative to start an organization that brought TV makers to the point where most calibration controls are now in user menus (I never thought I'd see that happen) deserve credit when credit is due.
Agreed again. There is nothing wrong with being "for profit".
And yes, Sencore, Datacolor, Calman, Controlcal, ISF and others have all contributed greatly to the benefit of television owners.

But again, if the title Calibration is more on point for being politically correct, cool. If you have other motives, and in my opinion it appears that you might (Videeo), then put those on the table for further discussion.
Absolutely no other motives.
Only the site has always been a bit of a stickler regarding "for profit" activities on this forum, so it seemed odd that there appears to be a bias toward ISF in the naming of the particular sub-forum.

This is apparent in the many posts by newcommers who ask about getting "ISF calibration". I believe these individuals would be far better served by the forum if they understood that ISF calibration has no inherent or guaranteed benefits over any other "Professional" calibration that might be available in their area. Much as during the past year or so, it has become possible to advise the GP that using a commercial disc such as Avia or DVE can result in a very good "calibration" at a fraction of the cost of a professional.

Let's keep the newcomers and the GP well and accurately informed of ALL of their options.

I don't see it in the same way as you do I don't guess. We have a Directv sub-forum a Dish Network sub-forum, a Verizon FiOS sub-forum and a U-verse sub-forum. There is a cable sub-forum to cover all of the different cable providers. All of that makes sense to me.

Cass did the naming several years ago and at that time ISF was really the only organization that was recognized by CEDIA for professional certification, so I don't think at the time the naming was off base at all.

It is somewhat difficult to rename one of these for several reasons, so I doubt if IB will want to do it.