Who has the best converting technology?

Hey guys. This is my 5th or 6th topic about CRTs in the last week, but what can I say I'm curious :) . I am buying a 30" HDTV CRT for the upcoming XBOX360. Its minimum is 720p, and some titles support 1080i. I am just wondering who has the best upconverting technology for 720p (and 480i/p for my regular TV and DVDs). Samsung is a recommended manufacturer for gaming, but I don't know exactly why. If someone could shed some light on me here, life would be great. By the way, I looked into LCDs and have concluded that the features of a CRT are more fit to my needs, so I will not consider getting one instead (except maybe the Syntax Olevia...). Thanks in advance!

Check out this CRT:
http://www.digitalconnection.com/products/directview/dm7352sf.asp

Don't know what set you're talking about Angel, but consumer HD CRT sets don't display 720p, they convert it for display... unless you're talking about a multisync presentation monitor like rbinck linked...

you are talking about exactly what I am asking Sawdney. I am not asking which CRT has the best 720p display, as the Monivision is the only one i have ever seen, but which has the best CONVERTING technology.

See the thing is, consumer TVs do not give information required to answer your questions, so you just have to audition the prospective sets. Ideally the store would let you try out the perspective set with the game system in question. If they won't, go to another store.

In general the best you can do is to look for key phrases like "super fine dot pitch, fine pitch" and such. Most manufacturers are not willing to publish the true resolution of their tubes, so there is no way of knowing without trying them out. Sony TVs should be better because they use the vertical stripes rather than a shadow mask, so at least the number of lines are not mechanically limited, only the pixels across the screen.

If you can find a CRT that also has a PC input (probably 800x600 for a 4:3 CRT) then the PC resolution will give you a good idea of what the game will look like. If you are trying to get a HDTV CRT game monitor of large size for under $1,000.00, you will likely not have much success. That is why I recommended you look at the CRT I referenced. At $2,000 for a 34" true 720/1080i HDTV monitor with 0.36mm dot pitch, it will be hard to beat if you are stuck on a CRT.

Well see, the point of me getting a CRT is because of its cost effectiveness (along with true blacks, which is not a HUGE deal to me). A $2000 CRT 34" Monitor just won't work for me, because A) my cabinet only allows about 34 1/4", and B) I can't spend 2 grand for a CRT, it wouldn't feel right to me. If there was a LCD tv I could get for cheaper that looked as good, in say, 26-30", that would be mine. If I DO end up getting the Sony KV30HS420, I really hope it does good with upconverting as a vast majority of XBOX360 games will be in 720p....But if anyone knows of an LCD that can outperform the KV30HS420 in 720p, please inform me if it is less than $1400 and is 26" - 30".

I recently purchased the sony vvega:KV27HS420.I can assure you the upconverting is incredible on my set. not to mention the color,clarity,and features.I mainly use it for XBOX and dvd's.By the way,Halo 2 and Forza Motorsport is jawdropping!

Here's one, there are lots of them around $1400...
http://www.tvauthority.com/LCD-TV-and-Monitors/Olevia-LT30HV.asp

Since this is an LCD, it's 720p progressive & 60 Hz.

See the thing is, consumer TVs do not give information required to answer your questions, so you just have to audition the prospective sets. Ideally the store would let you try out the perspective set with the game system in question. If they won't, go to another store.

In general the best you can do is to look for key phrases like "super fine dot pitch, fine pitch" and such. Most manufacturers are not willing to publish the true resolution of their tubes, so there is no way of knowing without trying them out. Sony TVs should be better because they use the vertical stripes rather than a shadow mask, so at least the number of lines are not mechanically limited, only the pixels across the screen.

If you can find a CRT that also has a PC input (probably 800x600 for a 4:3 CRT) then the PC resolution will give you a good idea of what the game will look like. If you are trying to get a HDTV CRT game monitor of large size for under $1,000.00, you will likely not have much success. That is why I recommended you look at the CRT I referenced. At $2,000 for a 34" true 720/1080i HDTV monitor with 0.36mm dot pitch, it will be hard to beat if you are stuck on a CRT.
Hmmm. Is my Sony 34" HDTV Monitor (KV-34HS420) doing true 720p?

No, it isn't. And sure, the current XBOX games will look great on any CRT, because most CRTs are native 1080i/480p (like the samsungs). Come the days of XBOX360, where the MINIMUM is 720p, you will be sacrificing picture quality by doing either one of your options: upconverting the 720p (by switching on your XBOX dashboard), or upconverting the 480p, either one is not showing the full potential of 720p.....

I'm also looking forward to the new Xbox360. Trying to chose a good CRT too...hmmm. I noticed Sony's KD34XS955 handles 1080i and 720p, but pricey.

I stayed with the CRT solution because of your original post which included:



By the way, I looked into LCDs and have concluded that the features of a CRT are more fit to my needs, so I will not consider getting one instead...

No, it isn't. And sure, the current XBOX games will look great on any CRT, because most CRTs are native 1080i/480p (like the samsungs). Come the days of XBOX360, where the MINIMUM is 720p, you will be sacrificing picture quality by doing either one of your options: upconverting the 720p (by switching on your XBOX dashboard), or upconverting the 480p, either one is not showing the full potential of 720p.....
You seem upset somehow. Anyway what am I upconverting the 720p to? Is it 1080i? Wish this information was at hand before I bought the set. 480p/720p/1080i. I mean why put it if it doesnt do it? Are they basicly saying it can take the signal but will have to convert it?

Thats exactly what they are saying, Fox. And to the guy saying the Sony 34" handles 720p and 1080i, all CRTs do, but the 720p must be upconverted, therefore resulting in a loss of quality. And about sticking to the CRT, they fit my needs because of price, and I WAS willing to sacrifice my true 720p, but now with the Syntax Olevia I've been looking at, it is my first choice for a TV. My second is the 30 Inch Sony KV30HS420.

Thanks Angel9. Hm a feel a new set for the holidays is in order. :D

same here buddy :thumbsup:

Yeah it's too bad manufacturers don't state that on their site, for instance Sony says "Hi-Scan 1080i™ Display accepts the full 1080 interlaced scanning lines (1080i) or 720 progressive scan (720p) from an external HDTV receiver or a compatible high definition digital satellite receiver. It also accepts 480 progressive (480p) scanning lines from compatible DVD video sources."

Yeah thats pretty lame they don't say the truth:
Shows 1080i great and makes 720p look like standard cable. (just kidding...but seriously it doesn't look too pretty)

But now we know that CRTs can't do 720p now!

Actually, they're accurate... they say 1080i display & accepts multiple formats. Accepting a signal isn't the same as displaying it natively.