NBA 2008-2009 Season

Well another season is close & I am ready. I am picking Boston verses Portland in the finals with Boston winning again. I know Portland is a bit of a longshot but look how good they was last year & now Oden is healthy so I like them. They don't have a Kobe type player but Oden should be able to dominate every Center that comes his way & that's why I think they will edge LA in the Conference Finals.

Lebron will win the MVP edging out Chris Paul & Michael Beasley wins Rookie of the Year.
I think Kevin Durant will become a top 5 player in the NBA this year.

With Beasley becoming the best player Miami has, Wade should return to an MVP caliber player since he is not the main focus of the opposing defenses & you add Marion & Miami will be a tuff contender for the East title.

Here is my first fantasy team I drafted last nite & I was 9th pick outta tean teams. Standard scoring including points, assists, rebounds, blocks, steals. What do you guys think....

PG Rajon Rondo, Bos PG
SG Kevin Durant, OKC SG, SF
SF Hedo Turkoglu, Orl SG, SF
PF Kevin Garnett, Bos PF
C Mehmet Okur, Uta C
G Michael Redd, Mil SG
F Carlos Boozer, Uta PF
UTIL Tracy McGrady, Hou SG, SF
UTIL Zach Randolph, NY PF, C
UTIL Mike Bibby, Atl PG
Bench James Posey, Nor SG, SF
Bench Monta Ellis, GS PG, SG
Bench Eric Gordon, LAC SG

I don't really think you believe Portland will beat LA in the WCF, but that you're saying that because everyone else will pick the Lakers and Celtics in the Finals. Was Portland really good last year? I never even heard of Oden (this isn't a Garnett we're talking, isn't it?), so maybe they'll make the playoffs this time, maybe not. The Western Conference has a labyrinth of veteran playoffs team to get past, much less the Lakers, so Portland can forget about getting past the second round, I think, and use this season as a stepping stone.

Lakers have 4 all-star caliber players and the reigning MVP. By itself that is enough to, barring excessive injuries, make them a favorite to win the title, but they also have the best bench in the league. The main wildcard is chemistry with Bynum coming back and his development. Should be a fun year, especially for Laker fans.

Watch out for those Atlanta Hawks this season:D

I don't really think you believe Portland will beat LA in the WCF, but that you're saying that because everyone else will pick the Lakers and Celtics in the Finals. Was Portland really good last year? I never even heard of Oden (this isn't a Garnett we're talking, isn't it?), so maybe they'll make the playoffs this time, maybe not. The Western Conference has a labyrinth of veteran playoffs team to get past, much less the Lakers, so Portland can forget about getting past the second round, I think, and use this season as a stepping stone.

Lakers have 4 all-star caliber players and the reigning MVP. By itself that is enough to, barring excessive injuries, make them a favorite to win the title, but they also have the best bench in the league. The main wildcard is chemistry with Bynum coming back and his development. Should be a fun year, especially for Laker fans.

Well picking Bos/LA is boring. But more than anything Boston won't have a ton of challenge in the East since Cleveland failed to get King James enuff help, hopefully it will be enuff but I'll have to see it. I like Miami to challenge also. In the west I have trouble picking the Lakers to beat Chris Paul & his New Orleans Hornets, but I did. Yes Portland is like I said, a bit of a longshot, but they played well last year & now that Oden can play..WATCH OUT!...Surely you jest if you have never heard of Oden, but if so I promise you after he has thrown Bynum around like a rag doll for a little bit you'll never forget him, & I say that being someone who thinks Bynum is great, but he isn't on the same level as Oden.

Never heard of Oden? You serious? You follow anything non-Laker?

I think the Blazers will be pretty damn good this year, Brandon Roy should be right in his prime starting this year and Alridge is really coming up too, but like always the west is stacked and it's a crapshoot.

Never heard of Oden? You serious? You follow anything non-Laker?

I think the Blazers will be pretty damn good this year, Brandon Roy should be right in his prime starting this year and Alridge is really coming up too, but like always the west is stacked and it's a crapshoot.



hmmm.... seems like a good team to start an association in NBA 2k8 with!! ;)

yeah definitely.. did you get that game?

Never heard of Oden? You serious? You follow anything non-Laker?

I think the Blazers will be pretty damn good this year, Brandon Roy should be right in his prime starting this year and Alridge is really coming up too, but like always the west is stacked and it's a crapshoot.

Yes, of course I'm serious. Why would I joke about something like that? What has he done in the NBA? That's the game I follow. If Oden can throw Bynum around like a rag doll like brosco claims, THEN I'll remember him. Until then he's nobody to me.

We'll see tonight!
I dunno how good Oden will be honestly, but he does have big upside.

Yeah, should be an interesting game just for the center matchup alone. Hopefully Odun won't leave a big imprint on the game that I'll remember. :lol:

Are the Lakers shopping Odom? I thought I read something about that a few weeks back.

Are the Lakers shopping Odom? I thought I read something about that a few weeks back.

Probably, but it's sad because he's one of my favorite players and now they're gonna bring him off the bench? If they do that, then they should trade him rather than paying 15 million for a bench warmer. :what: But if they give him starter minutes (30+), even though coming off the bench, it could work since they could always have two of the three bigs in the game at the same time (Gasol, Bynum or Odom) playing 30 minutes each. Hopefully they use Odom as much as the other two and keep him because this team would be really scary if that rotation could work as the Lakers would have great rebounding and interior defense 48 minutes a game, giving no rest for the opponents.

NBA '09 Finals: Sixers vs. Hornets. Bound to get the lowest ratings in NBA history.

This is my fantasy team...

Deron Williams - PG
Ray Allen - SG
Anthony Parker - SG,SF
Tim Duncan - PF,C
Rasheed Wallace - PF, C
Ben Gordon - SG
Charlie Villanueva - SF,PF
Jordan Farmar - PG,SG
Rodney Stuckey - PG,SG
Linas Kleiza - SG,SF


Yahoo is screwing me over, though. I somehow can't edit my roster.

I honestly doubt Oden will throw Bynum around like a rag doll, I just gotta get in my smack talk jabs in on Laker fans whenever possible;)
And I couldn't hardly believe someone that watch's hoops didn't know who he was. ESPN telivised his High School games even when he was still a junior & he has been in the spotlight ever since. He was the #1 overall pick of the NBA Draft last year by the Blazers coming out of a one year stint at Ohio St. where he led his team of mostly freshman like himself to the Finals of the NCAA Tourney. But unfortunately he got hurt in the summer last year as I believe he broke something in his foot & Portland saved him for this year.

But Oden will possibly be one of the best Centers in the league this year. His geatest part of his game is absolutely top notch defensive skills. When he adds consistent offense to go with his defensive skills he will be the best.

I honestly doubt Oden will throw Bynum around like a rag doll, I just gotta get in my smack talk jabs in on Laker fans whenever possible;)
And I couldn't hardly believe someone that watch's hoops didn't know who he was. ESPN telivised his High School games even when he was still a junior & he has been in the spotlight ever since. He was the #1 overall pick of the NBA Draft last year by the Blazers coming out of a one year stint at Ohio St. where he led his team of mostly freshman like himself to the Finals of the NCAA Tourney. But unfortunately he got hurt in the summer last year as I believe he broke something in his foot & Portland saved him for this year.

But Oden will possibly be one of the best Centers in the league this year. His geatest part of his game is absolutely top notch defensive skills. When he adds consistent offense to go with his defensive skills he will be the best.


I think Bynum's been working out and added some mass so you're right, I doubt Oden will move him about at will 'too much'(without fouling anyway), but we'll see. I guess I should know who Oden is, but basically I ignore all non-NBA basketball, since there's only so much time to do other things and besides I just like to find out who the new players are by watching them in games. I mean, I don't even know who the Lakers drafted, so it's not like I know only Lakers and nothing else. We'll see how my lack of basketball outside the NBA (and within it) affects my Fantasy Basketball prowess. :D

OK, let me retract that longshot prediction of Portland in the finals:o:lol: what do they call that in golf, a mulligan, well I'l take one here. Heck Portland may even come back & win this game:eek::what::error

I do think Portland will be the suprise team in the west & Atlanta in the east but I will say Boston will not win the 65+ games as I predicted on here last year but will win enuff to edge out Lebron in the East finals & play New Orleans the west champs in the finals. And Boston will repeat.

OK, let me retract that longshot prediction of Portland in the finals:o:lol: what do they call that in golf, a mulligan, well I'l take one here. Heck Portland may even come back & win this game:eek::what::error

I do think Portland will be the suprise team in the west & Atlanta in the east but I will say Boston will not win the 65+ games as I predicted on here last year but will win enuff to edge out Lebron in the East finals & play New Orleans the west champs in the finals. And Boston will repeat.

New Orleans leans too much on Chris Paul and doesn't have near the depth the Lakers do. The Lakers are so deep their bench would probably make the playoffs. Oden is just having a bad game but the Laker defense has a hand in that, I think. They're not giving up anything in the paint.

New Orleans leans too much on Chris Paul and doesn't have near the depth the Lakers do. The Lakers are so deep their bench would probably make the playoffs. Oden is just having a bad game but the Laker defense has a hand in that, I think. They're not giving up anything in the paint.

I totaly agree that LA has a very deep bench & if my last dollar had to be bet on it I'd probably take the Lakers. BUT...You can't overlook the season New Orleans had last year & Chris Paul was just as deserving as anybody for that MVP award last year. Yes they do lean on him, but he is their star, but they also have a very strong inside presence in David West but they will need that same support from the rest of the crew they got last year. So I like them & make them my pick.
There are some places picking Utah to win the west because of their depth. I think alot of what they do depends on wich Andre Kirlenko shows up this year...the one two years ago who was the biggest dissappointment in the NBA or the guy who got his act together last year & really helped that team. Utah is one of those teams I hate but they do look very tuff as besides AK they also have Deron Williams & Boozer. Whoever comes out on top will have to get the breaks with all those tuff team making a tuff west schedule...looks like another very interesting season.

Good Luck to your Lakers!

yeah definitely.. did you get that game?

Not yet, but will be shortly. I know as soon as the NBA gets into full swing, and i watch the C's on tv, I'll be chomping at the bit to pick it up!

Lakers and Philadelphia in the finals. Philly is a long shot but they made a good run last year and improved with brand. Cletics and detroit will be good as predicted. Havent watched a knicks game in years hope they are at least watchable this year. I like the overall improvement for most teams this year looks to be a promising season.

I'll be at a few bullz games this season. One of my peeps can get 4 seats 3rd row from the court from his job. Bullz are looking decent this year. With luck, they could make the 7th or 8th playoff spot.

I know it's easy to pick but you have to go Lakers vs. Boston period. No one improved enough to actually matter. Boston still has their big three even though posey will be missed they will still dominate. Lakers get back Bynum and their depth is crazy. Ariza is playing great and with Odom playing a ginobli type role off the bench barring injury they are the favorite's. I still cant stand radmonovic though.

I know it's easy to pick but you have to go Lakers vs. Boston period. No one improved enough to actually matter. Boston still has their big three even though posey will be missed they will still dominate. Lakers get back Bynum and their depth is crazy. Ariza is playing great and with Odom playing a ginobli type role off the bench barring injury they are the favorite's. I still cant stand radmonovic though.

I agree with everything you said, but i can't stand vuajcic

I know it's easy to pick but you have to go Lakers vs. Boston period. No one improved enough to actually matter. Boston still has their big three even though posey will be missed they will still dominate. Lakers get back Bynum and their depth is crazy. Ariza is playing great and with Odom playing a ginobli type role off the bench barring injury they are the favorite's. I still cant stand radmonovic though.

After watching the game last night, I think this Odom off the bench experiment will work after all. Just look at the minutes, if he can get around 30 minutes a game, while Bynum and Gasol get around 30 (or a little more) then that will be close to their career average anyway and at least 2 of them will be on the floor at all times (96/3 = 32 per man and they can all play at the same time on occasion). It allows for great flexibility as well. I agree on Radman though and I hope that Ariza can develop his 3 ball so he can get more minutes than Radman. The Lakers looked great last night, and hopefully they get even better with all those pieces they have, especially on the defense side.

I agree with everything you said, but i can't stand vuajcic

Neither can the opponents, and that's the important thing. We need his 3 ball, especially with all those big guys we have.

Neither can the opponents, and that's the important thing. We need his 3 ball, especially with all those big guys we have.

he can definitely shoot the 3 ball, but he tends to get ahead of himself and tries to do more then asked, and his defense sucks,

he can definitely shoot the 3 ball, but he tends to get ahead of himself and tries to do more then asked, and his defense sucks,

I know he's mistake prone, but I don't think his defense is that bad. If it were, then why is he always getting elbowed to the floor by frustrated opponents?

Ahh...Hello again Lakers fans!

Oden sure looks like the next great center, he's too soft in the inside and I think he will be injury prone his whole career. He will be a defensive presence but not much else.

L.A. looks good, really good. Deep. Ariza is hitting the 3's which would be HUGE, and if they can get Bynum to be aggressive and go up hard instead of hookshots, I see nothing but GOLD in the Lakers' future.

Well we sure have alot of Laker fans in here & I know there is a couple more. But that's good as a little smack talk goes a long way:D
I used to be die hard Lakers when they aquired my favorite player Shaq who was the best player in the NBA then & won them three titles. I left when he did & just wish he would retire now. To bad you guys don't have the great King James instead of Kobe, cause you would already have that gold trophy you seek...see ya;)

After watching the game last night, I think this Odom off the bench experiment will work after all. Just look at the minutes, if he can get around 30 minutes a game, while Bynum and Gasol get around 30 (or a little more) then that will be close to their career average anyway and at least 2 of them will be on the floor at all times (96/3 = 32 per man and they can all play at the same time on occasion). It allows for great flexibility as well. I agree on Radman though and I hope that Ariza can develop his 3 ball so he can get more minutes than Radman. The Lakers looked great last night, and hopefully they get even better with all those pieces they have, especially on the defense side.

Yeah its a great rotation bringing in odom at the 6 min mark and sitting gasol or bynum then 6 later bring that player back to rest the other starter. You keep 2 good or great players at the post at all times. I wish they would do the same with kobe, sasha, and ariza. Kobe starts of course and depending on opponent go for ariza's D at the 3 spot or bring in sasha at the 2 like late in games they did last year with kobe at the 3. Six minutes in bring in the other then bring him back to rest kobe for the start of the 2nd quarter. Then fisher and farmar just swithch out and at all times the lakers will be strong as hell. Only problem is the long season with a 8 man rotation will hurt but for the playoff's this would be great. We can prevent that though since the rest of the squad with radmonovich, walton, Chris, (and who did they keep Mbanga?) can play good enough to help rest these players some during the season.

Yeah its a great rotation bringing in odom at the 6 min mark and sitting gasol or bynum then 6 later bring that player back to rest the other starter. You keep 2 good or great players at the post at all times. I wish they would do the same with kobe, sasha, and ariza. Kobe starts of course and depending on opponent go for ariza's D at the 3 spot or bring in sasha at the 2 like late in games they did last year with kobe at the 3. Six minutes in bring in the other then bring him back to rest kobe for the start of the 2nd quarter. Then fisher and farmar just swithch out and at all times the lakers will be strong as hell. Only problem is the long season with a 8 man rotation will hurt but for the playoff's this would be great. We can prevent that though since the rest of the squad with radmonovich, walton, Chris, (and who did they keep Mbanga?) can play good enough to help rest these players some during the season.

I'm really hoping that Ariza can get 30 minutes, while Radman comes off the bench to spell him. So far it looks like his minutes will go up as his 3 ball is dropping. Also I prefer to have Farmar get more minutes than Fischer (like 28 + 20 for example) since he clearly is much better at getting others involved and we need to start developing a good assist man. Fischer had a tendency to take too many quick shots with a man in his face and no one in rebounding position and it hurts the momentum flow of the passing-orienting offense (of course, it doesn't hurt if he makes the shot :D)

My favorite Lineup is:

Bryant
Farmar
Bynum
Gasol
Ariza

Hopefully the Lakers can stay relatively injury free regarding key players, but we're so deep that an injury to practically anyone except Bryant would not hurt the Lakers chances much at all.

I'm more exited about the defense this year than anything else, so that's why I want Ariza in the game as much as possible and Farmar's D needs to improve if he wants to take Fischer's starting job.

I've never looked forward to having the role players come off the bench. Before it was like, 'now if the Lakers can just hold the lead for these next 4-5 minutes so Kobe can get back in'. It must be really scary for the opponents to know that the Lakers will not give them a moment's rest during a game.

Well I was reading the S.I. NBA pre season issue in my Dr.'s office this morning & completely forgot that Houston had picked up Ron Artest. Now if Artest can keep his head screwed on straight all year & McGrady doesn't bump his knee on the water cooler & miss half the season & Yao continues to progress they should be a serious contender for the title.

BTW S.I. picked Boston over San Antonio in the finals

Well we sure have alot of Laker fans in here & I know there is a couple more. But that's good as a little smack talk goes a long way:D
I used to be die hard Lakers when they aquired my favorite player Shaq who was the best player in the NBA then & won them three titles. I left when he did & just wish he would retire now. To bad you guys don't have the great King James instead of Kobe, cause you would already have that gold trophy you seek...see ya;)

I used to be a major Lakers hater after they beat my Nets in 2002 in the Finals. But since 2006, i've grown a big soft spot for them and they're the team I support the most in the West. As for my own favorite teams, I like the Nets and Cavaliers. Nets had a solid win last night over the Wiz. I'm going to enjoy watching them develop throughout the season. And the for the Cavs, Mo Williams will be a big help. I think they'll easily make the playoffs, just don't know how they'll fare in the postseason.

I used to be a major Lakers hater after they beat my Nets in 2002 in the Finals. But since 2006, i've grown a big soft spot for them and they're the team I support the most in the West. As for my own favorite teams, I like the Nets and Cavaliers. Nets had a solid win last night over the Wiz. I'm going to enjoy watching them develop throughout the season. And the for the Cavs, Mo Williams will be a big help. I think they'll easily make the playoffs, just don't know how they'll fare in the postseason.

Yea I started being a Lakers hater when SHAQ got treated like crap after bringing the team back to the top as it would have never happened without him.
But I have never really had a "favorite" team other than maybe the Sixers back in the Dr J & Moses Malone days. I just always enjoyed watching Bird's celtics & Magic's Lakers & enjoyed the NBA overall. Then when SHAQ came in the league I became a player fan, as whoever SHAQ played for, I rooted for.
Then when Lebron came to the NBA I was already a fan of his from his high school days since he was from Ohio so that was easy & if the Cavs don't get more help I believe Lebron will be a "Brooklyn" Net in 2010. (I hear the Nets are moving to Brooklyn)...I also will be closely following the Memphis Grizzlies now since the have OJ Mayo who I am a big fan of also as he played HS hoops here about 20 minutes from my house.
But I still love ALL the NBA. Even being a Laker hater I love to watch them & absolutely love to watch Kobe as the guy is just a tremendous player that can blow your mind with his play.

Yea I started being a Lakers hater when SHAQ got treated like crap after bringing the team back to the top as it would have never happened without him.
But I have never really had a "favorite" team other than maybe the Sixers back in the Dr J & Moses Malone days. I just always enjoyed watching Bird's celtics & Magic's Lakers & enjoyed the NBA overall. Then when SHAQ came in the league I became a player fan, as whoever SHAQ played for, I rooted for.
Then when Lebron came to the NBA I was already a fan of his from his high school days since he was from Ohio so that was easy & if the Cavs don't get more help I believe Lebron will be a "Brooklyn" Net in 2010. (I hear the Nets are moving to Brooklyn)...I also will be closely following the Memphis Grizzlies now since the have OJ Mayo who I am a big fan of also as he played HS hoops here about 20 minutes from my house.
But I still love ALL the NBA. Even being a Laker hater I love to watch them & absolutely love to watch Kobe as the guy is just a tremendous player that can blow your mind with his play.

I don't agree with you that Shaq got treated badly, he was doing a lot of talking and basically calling out Kupchak, so he essentially forced the Lakers to make a choice between him or Kobe being #1. He also wanted too much money. It really hurt to see him go and it took a few years to get over it, but I just don't think there was enough room on the team for both Shaq and Kobe's egos. Kobe wasn't blameless either and he could've helped by being more supportive and respectful of The Diesel, and Kupchak/Buss probably could've handled it much better, but in the end I think one of them had to go and the Lakers chose Kobe.

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Yeah I loved shaq to but when your at practice and you keep going by yelling stuff like "give me my money" to the owner you get what you ask for. I wish they would have stayed together but you would have to be a damn fool to keep shaq over kobe. If they were the same age it would be shaq without question but not when he was obviously starting to diminish.

Yeah I loved shaq to but when your at practice and you keep going by yelling stuff like "give me my money" to the owner you get what you ask for. I wish they would have stayed together but you would have to be a damn fool to keep shaq over kobe. If they were the same age it would be shaq without question but not when he was obviously starting to diminish.

I agree it was part Shaq's fault also as if him & Kobe wouldn't have acted like two year olds & they would have stayed together they would have won close to the six the Bulls won. You figure the year they lost to San Antonio was when Shaq/Kobe was acting stupid & the year Shaq went to Miami & won it all...if you take those two great years Shaq still had in him & things would have worked out that would have been 5 trophies & I think Shaq would have gotten hungry to overcome MJ's 6 titles & it very well may have happened. But oh well that is just wishful thinking.
Shaq was still the leagues premier player after he left though as he immediately took D-Wade under his wing & won another title & it was after that he got hurt & then injury prone & his skills started to diminish. As I said before I wished he would retire as he has nothing to prove to anybody.

And I agree about keeping Kobe as he was allowed to grow with Shaq being there & he is an awesome player but I still say he lacks leadership & it showed in the finals last year. I know you LA fans may dissagree but the results don't lie.

Good NBA rundown...but no mention of MJ?!? :confused::what: I'd like to watch more of the NBA but today's player lack the fundamentals and team play skills of bird's celtics, magic's lakers. bad boy pistons, MJ's bulls, etc. Its mostly one-on-one show boating, can't hit a free-throw to save his life, etc. There are still a few teams (celtics, lakers, cavs, etc) I like to watch but the NBA just is not the same to me...

Yea I started being a Lakers hater when SHAQ got treated like crap after bringing the team back to the top as it would have never happened without him.
But I have never really had a "favorite" team other than maybe the Sixers back in the Dr J & Moses Malone days. I just always enjoyed watching Bird's celtics & Magic's Lakers & enjoyed the NBA overall. Then when SHAQ came in the league I became a player fan, as whoever SHAQ played for, I rooted for.
Then when Lebron came to the NBA I was already a fan of his from his high school days since he was from Ohio so that was easy & if the Cavs don't get more help I believe Lebron will be a "Brooklyn" Net in 2010. (I hear the Nets are moving to Brooklyn)...I also will be closely following the Memphis Grizzlies now since the have OJ Mayo who I am a big fan of also as he played HS hoops here about 20 minutes from my house.
But I still love ALL the NBA. Even being a Laker hater I love to watch them & absolutely love to watch Kobe as the guy is just a tremendous player that can blow your mind with his play.

Good NBA rundown...but no mention of MJ?!? :confused::what: I'd like to watch more of the NBA but today's player lack the fundamentals and team play skills of bird's celtics, magic's lakers. bad boy pistons, MJ's bulls, etc. Its mostly one-on-one show boating, can't hit a free-throw to save his life, etc. There are still a few teams (celtics, lakers, cavs, etc) I like to watch but the NBA just is not the same to me...

Yea I should have mentioned MJ & the Bulls. As there was nothing like NBA sundays on NBC when the Bulls were playing a rival. I remember Jordans game back from his baseball hiatus was a Sunday noon game on NBC against Ewings Knicks. I won a pretty penny on that one.
I hate to keep posting on here about everything but this season, but I also gotta throw in that probably my favorite playoff series ever to watch was those 3-4 years when the Miami Heat would always end up against the Knicks & man you talk about an absolute battle on the court. Miami had Hardaway, Mourning & that little white guy Majerle who wasn't afraid of anyone. I'd like to have a dollar for everytime I seen blood on his face in those playoff series'. There was no one on one shows then as those two teams walked out the intent on literally whipping the other.

But i still enjoy the game today very much. With Lebron coming into the league it really helped the NBA overall as they now have a player they like to tag the next MJ & it gets the young people fired up so I guess that's good, but if Lebron wins ten titles nobody will ever be the next MJ...NOBODY!...Lebron could become the better player but nobody will ever do for a sport like Jordan done for the NBA.

Yea I should have mentioned MJ & the Bulls. As there was nothing like NBA sundays on NBC when the Bulls were playing a rival. I remember Jordans game back from his baseball hiatus was a Sunday noon game on NBC against Ewings Knicks.

Yes I recall that game. I think that is the one that sparked spike lee/nike's "double nickle" commercial :D

But i still enjoy the game today very much. With Lebron coming into the league it really helped the NBA overall as they now have a player they like to tag the next MJ & it gets the young people fired up so I guess that's good, but if Lebron wins ten titles nobody will ever be the next MJ...NOBODY!...Lebron could become the better player but nobody will ever do for a sport like Jordan done for the NBA.

Lebron is great but he still needs more refining of his skills to be a complete player. Hopefully he does not get too caught into the hype and $$, but he does seem to have a love for the game. What separates MJ from other athletes was his will to win and continually improve his game. I wonder how many back-to-back champs da bullz would have won if he did not retire the first time. I'd like to see how lebron handled detroit's "jordan rules" defense. The pistons used to brutalize MJ with hard fouls. Today's NBA has definitely cracked down on cheap shots and hard fouls.

Yes I recall that game. I think that is the one that sparked spike lee/nike's "double nickle" commercial :D



Lebron is great but he still needs more refining of his skills to be a complete player. Hopefully he does not get too caught into the hype and $$, but he does seem to have a love for the game. What separates MJ from other athletes was his will to win and continually improve his game. I wonder how many back-to-back champs da bullz would have won if he did not retire the first time. I'd like to see how lebron handled detroit's "jordan rules" defense. The pistons used to brutalize MJ with hard fouls. Today's NBA has definitely cracked down on cheap shots and hard fouls.

I'm glad they've taken away the hard fouls, but it does have the downside in that guards and small forwards are now basically fearless going to the paint. If they don't finish they expect a bailout call every single time and the uncalled 4 step traveling is ridiculous (especially by Lebron and Wade). The NBA with its 3 ball has become a guard-oriented league rather than the BIGS ruling. With the 3 ball and increased accuracy every year, they should move the line out another 18 inches or so and widen the court by the same amount. That will open up the floor and create more spacing, which I think the game needs anyway.

I don't want to crash the "Laker, Celtic, Lebron Thread" and I know I'm probably the only Hawks fan in this forum, but did anyone see the Hawks come back from 23 pts down to beat the 76ers last night. Joe Johnson hit a huge 3 ptr. to seal the win and the Hawks are 2-0 and both wins have come against playoff teams from a year ago. Now I'm not trying to say the Hawks are headed to a Championship but we have an exciting team in Atlanta and it's worth noting.

I don't want to crash the "Laker, Celtic, Lebron Thread" and I know I'm probably the only Hawks fan in this forum, but did anyone see the Hawks come back from 23 pts down to beat the 76ers last night. Joe Johnson hit a huge 3 ptr. to seal the win and the Hawks are 2-0 and both wins have come against playoff teams from a year ago. Now I'm not trying to say the Hawks are headed to a Championship but we have an exciting team in Atlanta and it's worth noting.

your not crashing at all. I picked Atlanta to be my suprise team last year & they still struggled more than I thought they would, I thought Childress was gonna be a breakout player & it never happened & now he is gone. But I am picking them as my suprise team again as they have 3 solid players in Smith, Johnson, & Bibby & you gotta love Horford. I didn't see it but I read Horford played great defense against Elton Brand.
Things are looking up in Atlanta imo.

I don't want to crash the "Laker, Celtic, Lebron Thread" and I know I'm probably the only Hawks fan in this forum, but did anyone see the Hawks come back from 23 pts down to beat the 76ers last night. Joe Johnson hit a huge 3 ptr. to seal the win and the Hawks are 2-0 and both wins have come against playoff teams from a year ago. Now I'm not trying to say the Hawks are headed to a Championship but we have an exciting team in Atlanta and it's worth noting.

Good going, I hope Atlanta becomes one of the top East teams because the playoffs last year proved that they match up well against Boston and hopefully they get give them real fits again this year if not beat them.

Good game for the Hawks tonight. Held the Hornets to 79 pts. Through the first 3 games the Hornets had averaged a league leading 106 pts a game. What I like most is the Hawks are 3-0 now and all 3 are against playoff teams from a year ago and they are 2-0 on the road, which was their biggest problem last year. I think instead of talking about getting respect they are earning it.

:banana::banana::banana:

Good game for the Hawks tonight. Held the Hornets to 79 pts. Through the first 3 games the Hornets had averaged a league leading 106 pts a game. What I like most is the Hawks are 3-0 now and all 3 are against playoff teams from a year ago and they are 2-0 on the road, which was their biggest problem last year. I think instead of talking about getting respect they are earning it.

:banana::banana::banana:

WTG Hawks. :yippee: I'm tired of hearing of nothing but Celtics, Pistons and Cavs in the East. Beating the Hornets on the road is pretty impressive.

Are the Lakers closing out games or what? Down by 2 against the Clippers they run off 22 straight points in Q4 and win by 17. Last night, they're down by 16 in Q2 and end up demolishing the Rockets by 29 points. Whoa, this team looks awesome. :eek: I'm concerned about Odom's playing time though, only 23 minutes last night. They need to give him at least 30 on average to keep him happy coming off the bench, I think.

:thumbsup:

With the win against the Bulls tonight the Hawks are now 6-0 and 4 of those wins are on the road. Not bad, but the Celtics are next up and in Boston. The schedule makers didn't do any favors for Atlanta with so many road games to open the season. With J Smoove injured, it will be a tough task to beat the Celtics with little rest as they travel for back to back games. But Al Horford has really stepped up moving to PF and ZaZa's play at center has been a nice fit.
Horford played his best game as a Pro with 27pts. 16 reb. and 6 blocks. Am I dreaming??:zzz

What a game against Boston. The Hawks came up short as Paul Pierce hit a nice clutch shot with .5 seconds left to give the C's a 1 pt. win. Fouls down the stretch really killed the Hawks, but without Josh Smith they still put up a fight. I still think they can make a deep playoff run. Gotta stay healthy.

What a game against Boston. The Hawks came up short as Paul Pierce hit a nice clutch shot with .5 seconds left to give the C's a 1 pt. win. Fouls down the stretch really killed the Hawks, but without Josh Smith they still put up a fight. I still think they can make a deep playoff run. Gotta stay healthy.

So close, there's only one thing more enjoyable in the NBA than a Lakers win, and that's a Celtics loss. I didn't watch the ending, but you did mention a lot of fouls called against the Hawks down the stretch, that's too bad, man. I hate to see games decided at the line.

It's too bad that the Lakers won't stay undefeated until they meet the Celtics. I'd love to see them curb stomp Bryant, Odom, Gasol... again and hand them a loss.

What a game against Boston. The Hawks came up short as Paul Pierce hit a nice clutch shot with .5 seconds left to give the C's a 1 pt. win. Fouls down the stretch really killed the Hawks, but without Josh Smith they still put up a fight. I still think they can make a deep playoff run. Gotta stay healthy.

Yea Smith being out & they are still playing at a very high level of basketball means they are gonna be a team to be reckoned with all year & as you said deep into the playoffs. Boston is probably the only team in the NBA that is good enuff to have beat the Hawks they way they have been playing & they just barely did it. I haven't seen the Hawks play this well since Dominique "The Human Highlight Film" Wilkins led them to a few good seasons back in the 80's. Remember those windmill dunks he would do, they were soooo awesome! It sure was great having TBS here in SW Ohio back in the 80's:D

It's too bad that the Lakers won't stay undefeated until the meet the Celtics. I'd love to see them curb stomp Bryant, Odom, Gasol... again and hand them a loss.

Hawks have turned out to be exactly what I thought they would be this year after last years post season... a serious contender.

Lakers have NOT been tested yet against any real high caliber team so far, the Hawks and the Celtics have.

It's too bad that the Lakers won't stay undefeated until the meet the Celtics. I'd love to see them curb stomp Bryant, Odom, Gasol... again and hand them a loss.

Hawks have turned out to be exactly what I thought they would be this year after last years post season... a serious contender.

Lakers have NOT been tested yet against any real high caliber team so far, the Hawks and the Celtics have.

Are you kidding me? The Lakers have beaten five playoff caliber teams this year (2 home, 3 away): Portland, Dallas, New Orleans, Denver and Houston, winning by an average of 14 points.

Boston on the other hand have played against four (2 home, 2 away): Houston, Cleveland, Detroit and Atlanta, winning by an average of 5 points. Whoop-de-doo.

You need to put down those green glasses, my friend. :haha:

It's too bad that the Lakers won't stay undefeated until they meet the Celtics. I'd love to see them curb stomp Bryant, Odom, Gasol... again and hand them a loss.

Yeah, I'm sure you would. But enjoy those memories, because that's all you're ever gonna have from here on out. :hithere:

What green glasses? I live in the present not the past...

I'm talking this season... So far the combined win/loss record of Lakers opponents are...

25W/27L ... winning percentage well below 50% ... I'd go to Vegas with my life savings with odds like that. :haha:

Celtics on the other hand have wins over opponents with combined records of...

34W/22L... including wins over Cleveland, Detroit and the Hawks...

The West is unimpressive so far and the Lakers have wins against teams who are struggling. They have NOT been tested.

Yeah, I'm sure you would. But enjoy those memories, because that's all you're ever gonna have from here on out. :hithere:

See bold.

Well this thread is really heating up now:lol:

I'm just glad that the Hawks are being brought up in the argument. Just gives us proof that people are taking notice.:yippee:

Yeah drbrosco, it's been a while since this team has played like this. Nique was my favorite and when the Hawks traded him I quit watching that year. Pissed me off, they were like 20 games over .500 at mid-season and looked like a real contender and then they traded him away for Danny Manning (WTF Danny Manning?) made me sick.:eyecrazy

What green glasses? I live in the present not the past...

I'm talking this season... So far the combined win/loss record of Lakers opponents are...

25W/27L ... winning percentage well below 50% ... I'd go to Vegas with my life savings with odds like that. :haha:

Celtics on the other hand have wins over opponents with combined records of...

34W/22L... including wins over Cleveland, Detroit and the Hawks...

The West is unimpressive so far and the Lakers have wins against teams who are struggling. They have NOT been tested.



See bold.

Well W-L records of your opponents don't mean a whole lot this early in the season. For example, we all know the Dallas Mavericks will be there, even though they're only 2-5 now. Also, the Lakers have played the 1-7 Clippers twice, and I didn't even count those games. I thought we were talking about games against quality teams only? The Lakers have played five of them, like I said, winning in blowouts, while the Celtics have played only four, and barely winning at that (needing a game winning shot at home? GMAFB :lol:)

Oh wait, there is a common opponent we've played: The Houston Rockets. Lakers demolished them by 29 points, how much did Boston take them down by? ;)

Boston fans forget that we didnt have Bynum or Ariza last year. And also that kobe and fisher both were playing with bum ankles plus kobe's broken hand. Also the celtics lost posey and I bet they will forget what he did for them but he was big and now who they got to make up for that.
Now lets look at those missed lakers. Bynum is 2nd in the league in blocks with Ariza being 10th in steals. There defense is 1st by far and they are playing physical as hell. Gasol is 5th in the league in rebounds to put that in perspective. Not the same hurt and weak playing lakers from last year.

Boston fans forget that we didnt have Bynum or Ariza last year. And also that kobe and fisher both were playing with bum ankles plus kobe's broken hand. Also the celtics lost posey and I bet they will forget what he did for them but he was big and now who they got to make up for that.
Now lets look at those missed lakers. Bynum is 2nd in the league in blocks with Ariza being 10th in steals. There defense is 1st by far and they are playing physical as hell. Gasol is 5th in the league in rebounds to put that in perspective. Not the same hurt and weak playing lakers from last year.

Please stop making sense. It is bad for this forum.

Please stop making sense. It is bad for this forum.

Stop making excuses, my bullshit meter is about to explode.

If I only knew when I started this thread I would have titled it the Lakers Verses Celtics thread.:lol::lol::lol:

You guys crack me up:lol: Lakers got hammered in the finals so their fans are mad at Boston & their fans. Then you got the Boston fans who think they will never lose a game & it makes for some fun reading:lol::lol::lol:

I personally don't see how anyone could say anything about Boston as they are THE CHAMPS & stil play as so & will probably win it this year again. But the Lakers are very strong also. What'll be funny is when the finals end up being Cleveland verses New Orleans:lol::lol::lol:

The ONLY thing we know for sure is that Lebron is properly nicknamed KING JAMES as he is the greatest player in this league by far;)

You guys crack me up:lol: Lakers got hammered in the finals so their fans are mad at Boston & their fans. Then you got the Boston fans who think they will never lose a game & it makes for some fun reading

Nah, I never implied that we're unbeatable. But Laker fans think they're unbelievably good this year judging by 7 games against opponents who are playing below average or just straight garbage. I'm not saying the Lakers suck, what I am saying is that they haven't been tested against any team firing on all cylinders.

We're early into a new season and they still make up excuses for why they got walked on in last years finals. It was the refs fault, Bynum's and Ariza's for not playing well or at all and aliens.

If I only knew when I started this thread I would have titled it the Lakers Verses Celtics thread.:lol::lol::lol:

You guys crack me up:lol: Lakers got hammered in the finals so their fans are mad at Boston & their fans. Then you got the Boston fans who think they will never lose a game & it makes for some fun reading:lol::lol::lol:

I personally don't see how anyone could say anything about Boston as they are THE CHAMPS & stil play as so & will probably win it this year again. But the Lakers are very strong also. What'll be funny is when the finals end up being Cleveland verses New Orleans:lol::lol::lol:


The ONLY thing we know for sure is that Lebron is properly nicknamed KING JAMES as he is the greatest player in this league by far;)

Dont start that crap again. Kobe is the MVP and dosent have to put up the numbers or he would. Lebron is getting their but not yet. Take away the explosive judgement altering dunks and what you got? Kind of like when it was who's better kobe or V.Carter? Take away the dunks now what? Saying both players had major knee injury's what happens. Kobe becomes a better ray allen and lebron fades away like vince.
Not saying Lebron isn't great he is making huge stride's but it is still kobe's league. Why does every announcer and commentator say this but you refuse to take off your lebron glasses.

Nah, I never implied that we're unbeatable. But Laker fans think they're unbelievably good this year judging by 7 games against opponents who are playing below average or just straight garbage. I'm not saying the Lakers suck, what I am saying is that they haven't been tested against any team firing on all cylinders.

That is not correct. The Rockets are playing good basketball, the 2 games they lost were by 4 points to the Celtics and by 2 points in overtime at Portland. New Orleans had one bad game against Charlotte, but they are playing good as well, and the Lakers beat them at their house on the second night of a back-to-back.

We're early into a new season and they still make up excuses for why they got walked on in last years finals. It was the refs fault, Bynum's and Ariza's for not playing well or at all and aliens.

So pointing out the difference between this year and last year's Finals is making excuses?! Who said anything about the refs? Jeez, stop listening to Tommy Heinson so much, everything revolves around the refs as far as Boston fans are concerned. :lol:

Dont start that crap again. Kobe is the MVP and dosent have to put up the numbers or he would. Lebron is getting their but not yet. Take away the explosive judgement altering dunks and what you got? Kind of like when it was who's better kobe or V.Carter? Take away the dunks now what? Saying both players had major knee injury's what happens. Kobe becomes a better ray allen and lebron fades away like vince.
Not saying Lebron isn't great he is making huge stride's but it is still kobe's league. Why does every announcer and commentator say this but you refuse to take off your lebron glasses.

Now all kidding & smack talk aside...
This comment about it being "Kobe's league" is something I honestly have never heard or read anywhere but here in Laker fans' posts. The only time I ever heard that term was for Michael Jordan. I have watched hoops since the 70's & Jordan is the only player I have heard that said about.
Now I am sure you probably watch more NBA than I do as I am a "casual" watcher but a very close follower. I do watch the gamecenter on CBS Sports every nite wich is like watching play by play but obviously not like watching it on TV. I watch 4 teams on TV when I see they are on most of the time & that is the Cavs, Celtics, Lakers & I have took to watching New Orleans this year as CP3 is as fun to watch as anyone. Luckily for the past seven days NBA.com provided a free week of watching almost every NBA game live every nite on broadband & I took advantage of that. And when TBS has a late game I usually catch the 2nd half or more. I also watch that show with Barkley & those guys after the late game & watch NBA Live on ESPN when I can.
So I know that is not a ton of watching like you guys watch but in all that I do watch I have honestly never heard that this is "Kobe's league". I have heard Kobe is the best player, but I have heard the same about CP3 & Lebron tons of times also.
Kobe is a superstar & for as long as he has played he deserved to get an MVP last year as CP3 & Lebron will have many years to pick up plenty of those.
But when you say the phrase "this is Kobe's league" you are putting him on another level above Lebron, CP3, Garnett, Duncan, ect. & he is not. He is on thier level no doubt & an absolute joy to watch when he is in the zone. If you want it to be your league you have to dominate in a way where you lead your team to at least a few titles & be sooo good that no one else can be compared when the term MVP is brought up. Look at all the great players Jordan competed against but wether you loved MJ or hated him you could not dispute in any way, shape or form that he was the greatest player on the planet. Jordan won 6 titles & Kobe has zero(as the teams leader & best player that is). You could easily dispute Kobe being the best player just as any other player, but Jordan was no questions asked he was the best.

I'm not trying to "start crap" or argue in anyway as that's lame. But I got a right to post my opinion on who I think is the league's best player without being ripped apart for it by every Kobe fan on here & other than Mr. Celtic & liquidx & I think there's a couple of Bulls fans the rest is all LA fans. And I never rip you guys for saying Kobe is the best, freindly smack talk that LJ is better sure, but that's all.

Good Luck to your Lakers this year as they do look very strong.

I'll trade Kobe for Lebron in my fantasy league. :D So far Kobe's numbers are way down, but partly because his minutes are down and he's got more 'weapons' so he doesn't need to score as much. Hopefully he'll put up MVP numbers but I have a hunch that Chris Paul will win it easily this year.

other than Mr. Celtic & liquidx & I think there's a couple of Bulls fans the rest is all LA fans.


Hey, how could you leave out the only Hawks fan. ;)

Hey, how could you leave out the only Hawks fan. ;)

I'm sorry as you are a devoted fan on here that posts all the time. The Hawks are another team I enjoy to watch this year but I haven't been able to watch them on TV, I was only able to watch the Hawks on the free week of broadband on NBA.com. It sucks that TBS doesn't show Hawk games like the old days.

Well they got in a shoot out in the 4th quarter with the Nets and lost their 2nd straight. These road games are catching up to them and they really need Josh Smith back, as their D is struggling without him. Out of their first 8 games only 2 have been at home.

Well both Lakers and Celtics lose at home last night. A little bit of humble pie is sometimes needed for cocky fans. :p

Hey Lakers thanks for making me look like an ass. I say they are tougher and play better D and what happens they come out like a bunch of b$#%'s.

Hey drbrosco I am the only one to say its kobe's league and damn sure dont mean he is in Jordans realm. Almost all say he is the best player in the league though. Dont worry Lebron is coming along and will hold the crown for awhile. And the dont start that crap again comment was not meant to be an ass comment. I was jokingly throwing it out there. (you know like damn come on man) Your one of the more active sports guys here and I dont mean to offend you. Last year yeah when I was newer here but not now.

Hey Lakers thanks for making me look like an ass. I say they are tougher and play better D and what happens they come out like a bunch of b$#%'s.

Hey drbrosco I am the only one to say its kobe's league and damn sure dont mean he is in Jordans realm. Almost all say he is the best player in the league though. Dont worry Lebron is coming along and will hold the crown for awhile. And the dont start that crap again comment was not meant to be an ass comment. I was jokingly throwing it out there. (you know like damn come on man) Your one of the more active sports guys here and I dont mean to offend you. Last year yeah when I was newer here but not now.

hey no offense was taken:)
And I still say Lebron is the best & that's because your right I do wear my Lebron glasses:lol: But I can't help it I just think the guy is awesome. As I am not a Cleveland fan as much as I am a LJ fan & that's just my opinion, & it doesn't make me right.
But your talking to a guy who will type Lebron is the best & then turn on a Laker game where Kobe is "in the zone" & me & my friend will just sit here looking at each other shaking our heads & not saying a word cause Kobe is sooo freaking awesome. I remember when Kobe had that streak of I think it was 8 games over 50 points(correct me if I am wrong) but that is all we would talk about the next day is "did you see Kobe do this" or "did you see Kobe do that" & so on. I love the NBA & Lebron AND Kobe are a big reason why. Have a great day:hithere:

Nets, baby! I was pretty surprised that they swept the home-and-home considering Atlanta has ALWAYS had the Nets' number and now that the Hawks have a solid team. Also, Devin Harris has been a beast as of late, scoring 30+ in his last three games.

TSo pointing out the difference between this year and last year's Finals is making excuses?! Who said anything about the refs? Jeez, stop listening to Tommy Heinson so much, everything revolves around the refs as far as Boston fans are concerned. :lol:

Oh, I recall quite vividly during the finals many Laker fans bitching about the officiating repeatedly which seemed to die out once the Lakers got their fair share of garbage calls. He, forgot his name, brought up Ariza and Bynum as excuses so I figured I'd quickly sum up the excuses I've heard up until this point.

As for the Hawks, wow, wtf? Dropping 4 straight games... was last year a fluke? Too early to tell but I haven't exactly been keeping tabs on them, but haven't they been getting picked apart suddenly in these loses?

The Hawks need to get Josh Smith back. Their defense is struggling without him and it seems they are missing the energy he brings to the team.

Man rosco, your Cavs put it to my Hawks last night:crying:

Oh, I recall quite vividly during the finals many Laker fans bitching about the officiating repeatedly which seemed to die out once the Lakers got their fair share of garbage calls. He, forgot his name, brought up Ariza and Bynum as excuses so I figured I'd quickly sum up the excuses I've heard up until this point.

As for the Hawks, wow, wtf? Dropping 4 straight games... was last year a fluke? Too early to tell but I haven't exactly been keeping tabs on them, but haven't they been getting picked apart suddenly in these loses?

So you figured? If I used that math, then you could say every team that ever lost in the Finals had fans complaining about calls. AFAIC, Celtic fans set the bar and are the absolute worst as far as crying about the refs. For example, Bboncorr has never not complained about the officiating whenever he posted after a Celtics loss. And Tommy Heinson is a buffoon and a complete embarrassment to your organization. The fact that they keep him on testifies to the whining-about-the-refs mindset of Celtic fans in general.

Man rosco, your Cavs put it to my Hawks last night:crying:

Yea but you have a good excuse...no Josh Smith...the Hawks won't go nowhere imo until Smith gets back fully healthy as he is a star player in this league.

Good news; Josh Smith is back at practice and hopes to be back on the court by next Wed. This would get him back right before they make their trip through Texas. (Dallas, Houston, S. Antonio)

Nets, baby! I was pretty surprised that they swept the home-and-home considering Atlanta has ALWAYS had the Nets' number and now that the Hawks have a solid team. Also, Devin Harris has been a beast as of late, scoring 30+ in his last three games.

If Vince is still at his peak then NJ will be on top... Devin is good trade have a bright future... Nice trade with Dallas! :)

Cleveland looks scary good right now. What's even more scary is that Lebron doesn't have any real all star players on his team to help him like Kobe and Pierce do. If anybody is the heir apparent to Jordan, it's him.

Cleveland looks scary good right now. What's even more scary is that Lebron doesn't have any real all star players on his team to help him like Kobe and Pierce do. If anybody is the heir apparent to Jordan, it's him.


can't give it to him yet. remember Jordan had that killer instinct and a desire to become great. Lebron has shown a unwillingness to do what the pros around him keep telling him he needs to do, ie change the angle on his jumpshot and trade a couple 3's a game for mid range jump shots.

as for no real stars it's hard to call Mo Williams not a star. the guy didn't earn a contract of that size because he is a cool guy to have around his team. Delonte West is very very underrated when healthy and he seems to be this season.

i'm not saying Lebron has the talent around him like Kobe or Pierce has but they are definetly not scrubs.

i honestly fell of the maybe Lebron is the next Jordan bandwagon the day he lost to the Celtics during last years playoffs. his whole mental state of being satisfied with losing because he left the series with a great game. it was like he didn't even remember his 25% shooting (not literal), the rest of the series. then to go out and not take what every scout was telling him to do into consideration while he was working on his game during the offseason, (ie change his jumpshot angle).

i love to watch Lebron but i just don't see the "IT" i see with Kobe, Jordan, K.G., ect.....

i think what Jordan once told Barkley comes into play when it comes to Lebron. Barkley once said to the media that he was going to win a chip and if Jordan was in his way he would go through them. i believe he stated this just before the Bulls v.s. Suns Finals. Well Jordan was asked about Charles comments and he said, "Charles would not win a chip because he doesn't work like a champion, he can't get out of his own way to become a champ".

now i'm not saying this type of statment totally applies to Lebron but as i see it Lebron needs to get past himself and realize he needs to change things and spend more time working hard rather then doing commercials or other things. Lebron is known for being a clown and doesn't bring that mentally demanding mentality to each and every practice/game like the truely greats did.

those 3 have been known to get into literal fist fights. Kobe smacked up and yelled at Bynum for not improving his game. K.G. put a nice shiner on one of his role players (maybe it was Madsen). Jordan was known for his annual fights during practice. this type of intensity is not what Lebron is known for and it's that type of intensity that seperates Lebron from the truely great players.

Mo Williams may be getting all-star money, but so far he's not producing enough to even be on my starting fantasy team (he was at the start but I had to bench him). There is no Kobe-Pau or Pierce-Garnett on that team.

Interesting tidbit about Jordan fighting players in practice, I guess it wasn't a good thing to get in his doghouse. :lol: Kobe can be a prick as well, and you say that James lacks intensity, but on the court he looks pretty intense to me. Remember Jordan kept losing to the Knicks before he finally got that monkey off his back and he was like 27 years old by then? James has already been to the Finals and almost beat the Celtics last year and they were with lower seeded teams. Cleveland always seems to overperform in the playoffs and it's always just James and a bunch of (good) role players, so that's a sure sign of a great player that can elevate his game in the playoffs. Maybe James' shooting % was bad, but the end result was that Boston almost lost.

Perfect time for the Lakers to be struggling... straight into a X-Mass day clash with the steamrolling Celtics.

That defense isn't ready for this... I see Rondo alone running circles around that entire Laker team.

These Celtics are stronger than ever... take it to the bank.

Perfect time for the Lakers to be struggling... straight into a X-Mass day clash with the steamrolling Celtics.

That defense isn't ready for this... I see Rondo alone running circles around that entire Laker team.

These Celtics are stronger than ever... take it to the bank.

The way the Lakers are playing right now, you're probably right, the Celtics will beat them easily. They're in a funk right now, but all teams have them, Celtics included.

The way the Lakers are playing right now, you're probably right, the Celtics will beat them easily. They're in a funk right now, but all teams have them, Celtics included.

Nah, I was exaggerating a bit, just throwing ya an elbow. I do think the Celtics will beat the Lakers, but the final score will likely be much closer than what I think.

Magic Johnson was quoted during a Lakers game saying their defense wasn't good enough yet to stop the Celtics. I mean, they know what holes they need to plug and when they do, it'll make for some more entertaining times between these teams. I'm just loving what I'm seeing in Rondo this year. Not only is he scrappy, but his ability to make plays this year is quite a step up from last season. Can't overlook Perkins either...

I'd love to see a rematch in the finals but the Cavaliers and the Spurs are more than capable of totally screwing up that plan... Hornets, Hawks...etc.

Nah, I was exaggerating a bit, just throwing ya an elbow. I do think the Celtics will beat the Lakers, but the final score will likely be much closer than what I think.

Magic Johnson was quoted during a Lakers game saying their defense wasn't good enough yet to stop the Celtics. I mean, they know what holes they need to plug and when they do, it'll make for some more entertaining times between these teams. I'm just loving what I'm seeing in Rondo this year. Not only is he scrappy, but his ability to make plays this year is quite a step up from last season. Can't overlook Perkins either...

I'd love to see a rematch in the finals but the Cavaliers and the Spurs are more than capable of totally screwing up that plan... Hornets, Hawks...etc.

The Lakers are playing soft defense right now and they also have some chemistry issues. Defense wins rings more often than offense, so unless the Lakers improve in that department, than we'll probably see them lose again in the playoffs or finals. Good luck to your Celtics.

The way the Lakers are playing right now, you're probably right, the Celtics will beat them easily. They're in a funk right now, but all teams have them, Celtics included.

Looks like the Lakers busted out of their funk just in time.

:banana:

Hell yeah great game. Intense as hell and a joy to watch a game like that this early in the season plus lakers winning helps. I said Bynum and Ariza would make a difference but figured it would be Bynum more than anything but Ariza played his ass off. But its just one game and didnt see much of pierce tonight.

Hell yeah great game. Intense as hell and a joy to watch a game like that this early in the season plus lakers winning helps. I said Bynum and Ariza would make a difference but figured it would be Bynum more than anything but Ariza played his ass off. But its just one game and didnt see much of pierce tonight.

Horribly called game. Celtics lost because of stupid turnovers.

Horribly called game. Celtics lost because of stupid turnovers.

It was fun to watch though. They had their chances to keep the Lakers at bay and didn't do a good enough job in doing so.

The C's simply played sloppy in many aspects, their just a very good team to not let the sloppiness keep them completely out of it.

I think neither team had their best effort out on the floor, but the Lakers had enough to pull it out. Hats off to them.

And I'm glad the streak is over. I'm over the media riding it like it meant something to someone...

It was fun to watch though. They had their chances to keep the Lakers at bay and didn't do a good enough job in doing so.

The C's simply played sloppy in many aspects, their just a very good team to not let the sloppiness keep them completely out of it.

I think neither team had their best effort out on the floor, but the Lakers had enough to pull it out. Hats off to them.

And I'm glad the streak is over. I'm over the media riding it like it meant something to someone...

I thought Rondo and Garnett gave them a chance to win. I almost didn't even notice Pierce, and Ray Allen took some horrible shots towards the end. The Kobe-to-Gasol connection worked great down the stretch and I think that was the difference. I sure hope that Kobe can keep playing like this, because it's been too many lazy jumpers and too little penetration so far this season (only 7.3 FT attempts per game, WTF).

I thought Rondo and Garnett gave them a chance to win. I almost didn't even notice Pierce, and Ray Allen took some horrible shots towards the end. The Kobe-to-Gasol connection worked great down the stretch and I think that was the difference. I sure hope that Kobe can keep playing like this, because it's been too many lazy jumpers and too little penetration so far this season (only 7.3 FT attempts per game, WTF).

I thnk bynum really made the difference.He was able to take control down low and move gasol to the power forward spot andodom to the small. Down low play is what killed the lakers against the celts in the final. Bynum gives them that edge. Perkins can't stick with bynum and that(if both teams make the finals) will be a huge difference. I also thought fisher did a great job on rondo. With faramr out i thought rondo was going to dominate, but the old man impressed.

I thnk bynum really made the difference.He was able to take control down low and move gasol to the power forward spot andodom to the small. Down low play is what killed the lakers against the celts in the final. Bynum gives them that edge. Perkins can't stick with bynum and that(if both teams make the finals) will be a huge difference. I also thought fisher did a great job on rondo. With faramr out i thought rondo was going to dominate, but the old man impressed.

I really wish the Lakers would at least try to have Odom, Gasol and Bynum on the floor at the same time. Walton is not a good 3 point shooter and if they have him in there because of his passing, then Odom is not a bad passer himself. I'm not saying to have it be the main lineup, but at least have them play together down the stretch and at the end of the first half so that Odom can get more minutes. He just plays better when he gets his minutes.

That offensive foul on Rondo :lol: Good game guys.....

Everyplace I watch or read it is saying Marbury is gonna be signed by the Celtics:confused:
I am no NBA know-it-all, but do they Celtics really need or want this guy on their team?????

WHAT A GAME! Nets trail 49-29 at the half, come all the way back and VC hits a game-winning three (from a mile) at the buzzer in overtime.

What the heck is wrong with Boston:confused::confused::confused:
They suck here lately. I had them figured to win it all again easily, & I didn't expect them to keep that torrid pace up they were on but losing to the KNICKS:confused: Something is wrong when you lose to the Knicks.
And surely they are not gonna bring Marbury on to that team. He is not worthy to wear the celtic green imo.

And does anybody know what has happened to Bill Walker as I see he has only played 2 games this year & I can't find no news on the web about him.

Bill Walker is in the D-League avg like 20pts a game, last i knew... Have no idea why he can't take Scal's minutes with the C's!!! :mad:

What the heck is wrong with Boston:confused::confused::confused:
They suck here lately. I had them figured to win it all again easily, & I didn't expect them to keep that torrid pace up they were on but losing to the KNICKS:confused: Something is wrong when you lose to the Knicks.
And surely they are not gonna bring Marbury on to that team. He is not worthy to wear the celtic green imo.

And does anybody know what has happened to Bill Walker as I see he has only played 2 games this year & I can't find no news on the web about him.

Nothing's wrong with the Celtics, it's just that no team is as good as what they appear to be when they are on a roll and neither are they as bad as they look when they are in a funk. They're probably as good as their record indicates right now though. Fortunately for the Lakers, Cleveland is in the Eastern Conference, so Boston is less likelier to even make it to the Finals because Cleveland looks just as good as anybody right now.

What the heck is wrong with Boston:confused::confused::confused:
They suck here lately. I had them figured to win it all again easily, & I didn't expect them to keep that torrid pace up they were on but losing to the KNICKS:confused: Something is wrong when you lose to the Knicks.
And surely they are not gonna bring Marbury on to that team. He is not worthy to wear the celtic green imo.

I have no idea. But I know a few things...

I would much rather have them struggling now than late in the season. Take the time to work out the kinks and who gives a crap what your record looks like as long as you make the playoffs. Struggle now, I don't care....

Marbury, fuck that. He is the equivalent of having Terrell Owens playing on the Patriots. You cannot bring someone like that into a team that flows perfectly with each other. Just his presence would ruin the chemistry... You've seen what T.O. did in San Fran, Philly and now Dallas. Marbury turning his back on the Knicks yet continuing to receive his paycheck is morally disgusting. I'm also over players wanting to join championship caliber teams late in their careers. Garnett still has game left in him, I think he's shown and proven that. What has Marbury done lately to prove hes still got it? He hasn't played since last season.

That game tonite is why Charlotte could easily win the Western Conference, as not only do they have one of the top 3 players in the NBA in CP3 they have an awesome inside presence who the Lakers could not stop in David West. He dominated as they beat the Lakers in LA.
Heck, the way Boston is playing we might see a Charlotte verses Cleveland finals!

That game tonite is why Charlotte could easily win the Western Conference, as not only do they have one of the top 3 players in the NBA in CP3 they have an awesome inside presence who the Lakers could not stop in David West. He dominated as they beat the Lakers in LA.
Heck, the way Boston is playing we might see a Charlotte verses Cleveland finals!

Actually it was Charlotte who beat Boston last night. New Orleans beat the Lakers. ;) Normally LA owns NO, no way they're gonna beat them in a 7 game series. David West is way overrated and does little more than score points, thanks to Chris Paul.

Actually it was Charlotte who beat Boston last night. New Orleans beat the Lakers. ;) Normally LA owns NO, no way they're gonna beat them in a 7 game series. David West is way overrated and does little more than score points, thanks to Chris Paul.

I always call the Hornets "Charlotte" for some reason:dunce:

If anything West is underrated imo. I have watched this guy dominate since he played college ball here in Cincinnati for Xavier & now in the pro's. He averages 20 points, 7 rebounds & a block per game.

I always call the Hornets "Charlotte" for some reason:dunce:

If anything West is underrated imo. I have watched this guy dominate since he played college ball here in Cincinnati for Xavier & now in the pro's. He averages 20 points, 7 rebounds & a block per game.

His rebounding and assists are under average for his position, so the only thing that stands out is his points. And he has Paul to feed him the ball.

His rebounding and assists are under average for his position, so the only thing that stands out is his points. And he has Paul to feed him the ball.

Well I agree he is not the greatest inside player in the league but he definitely is a presence that helps the Hornets win games. West had a great game last nite that won't mean nothing come playoff time.
To me it's just good to see that this season isn't gonna be the Laker/Celtic automatic finals that alot of people figured before the season. I think the East is just as good as the West in strength of Confernce this year. They both have three legit teams that could win it all imo. BOS/CLE/ORL & LA/SA/NO. And there are another 4-6 teams in each conference that put up a good fight almost every night out.

I think Orlando is the team under the radar right now that could win it all. We all know Howard is absolutely unstoppable & has his way on both ends of the court, & the scary thing about Dwight Howard is he is only 23 yrs old...wow!. And Rashard Lewis is great & I didn't even know who Turkoglu was until last year, that guy can play string music from anywhere on the court against any defender I have seen him face. And a decent PG in Jameer Nelson. Wether they have good depth or not I don't know as I haven't got to see them alot since I don't get the NBA LP. I try to take a break between Sunday Ticket & Extra Innings but I may buy the half season package deal they offer this year as what I am getting to watch on TV now has been great.

Well I agree he is not the greatest inside player in the league but he definitely is a presence that helps the Hornets win games. West had a great game last nite that won't mean nothing come playoff time.
To me it's just good to see that this season isn't gonna be the Laker/Celtic automatic finals that alot of people figured before the season. I think the East is just as good as the West in strength of Confernce this year. They both have three legit teams that could win it all imo. BOS/CLE/ORL & LA/SA/NO. And there are another 4-6 teams in each conference that put up a good fight almost every night out.

I think Orlando is the team under the radar right now that could win it all. We all know Howard is absolutely unstoppable & has his way on both ends of the court, & the scary thing about Dwight Howard is he is only 23 yrs old...wow!. And Rashard Lewis is great & I didn't even know who Turkoglu was until last year, that guy can play string music from anywhere on the court against any defender I have seen him face. And a decent PG in Jameer Nelson. Wether they have good depth or not I don't know as I haven't got to see them alot since I don't get the NBA LP. I try to take a break between Sunday Ticket & Extra Innings but I may buy the half season package deal they offer this year as what I am getting to watch on TV now has been great.

Well maybe I'm a little sour on the guy because so far he's not even good enough to be on my starting fantasy team. I've thought about cutting him off the team, but maybe last night's performance will get him going. I think I'll start him tonight and see what happens...

Nothing's a given as far as getting to the Finals. LA and Boston probably have the best chance, but mainly because they were there last year and both teams are just as good or have improved a little. However the Eastern Conference is tougher this year, and Boston will have a tougher time reaching the Finals because the top 3-4 teams in the East is better than the top 3-4 teams in the West. I think Cleveland has a good a chance as Boston. In the West, New Orleans and San Antonio will probably finish with the best W-L record after the Lakers, and will be the toughest opponents in the playoffs. But the Lakers own both of those teams, especially San Antonio.

well, well sounds like trade talks are possible for Mr. David West???

If so I am interested & let me know as I love having players from Cincinnati or that at least played here like he did. That was why I jumped on OJ Mayo kinda early in the draft.

well, well sounds like trade talks are possible for Mr. David West???

If so I am interested & let me know as I love having players from Cincinnati or that at least played here like he did. That was why I jumped on OJ Mayo kinda early in the draft.

Proposal sent. Gimme Zack and he's yours.

Proposal sent. Gimme Zack and he's yours.

do you know that zach has missed 5 games & is only hopeful to play in a week. If you click on his name on my team you can read his news. May find more on nba.com.

do you know that zach has missed 5 games & is only hopeful to play in a week. If you click on his name on my team you can read his news. May find more on nba.com.

Yep, I know about Zack. So I take that as a deal? ;)

Yep, I know about Zack. So I take that as a deal? ;)

its done

its done

Nice to have both Paul and West on the same team. You'll really be rooting for the Hornets now. Maybe he'll do better now that he has Paul to get him the ball in the HDF fantasy league. Good luck! :hithere: