Sarah Palin knocks them dead..

I was very impressed with the way the VP nominee handled herself when the left tried so hard to shake her up with all the attacks on her and her family. I am an independent but lean towards the conservative side and I thought she was very poised and to the point. I didn't sense that she will be one bit shy about going head to head with anyone anywhere. I think she came off as a strong woman that will fight for what she believes in and be a breath of fresh air if the Republican ticket should win in november. Any thoughts are welcome but please lets not turn this into a bar fight.. Thanks...:)

The rules of this forum state "-No Political Threads, please go to a political forum to discuss politics."

So political threads are allowed now?

Sorry guy's my bad, I thought just talking about her speech and not about the substance would be ok.

I think as long as the thread don't turn to right vs left bitch slapping, the discussion of performance and how outstanding she looked in HD, it's ok.

The mega event speech Obama gave at mile high looked great in HD, just not as much eye candy.

Does anyone else here find these conventions (both Rep and Dem) pathetic? I turn them on for about 3 minutes to get a quick laugh and then I have to turn it off because the nausea of how ridiculous these people are starts to set in. I just want the McCain/Obama and Palin/Biden debates.

Oh, and I never want to see Rudy Guiliani in HD ever again!!!! ;)

Her and Giuliani really laid into Obama last night, didn't they? Wow. I thought she gave a pretty good speech, though. She really deserves her "barracuda" nickname. Looked good in HD but CNN's Campbell Brown looked better. :D

Its all entertainment now, politics on steroids. Its like the wwe of politics. Who cares about the real issues now anyway? ;)

Does anyone else here find these conventions (both Rep and Dem) pathetic? I turn them on for about 3 minutes to get a quick laugh and then I have to turn it off because the nausea of how ridiculous these people are starts to set in. I just want the McCain/Obama and Palin/Biden debates.

Oh, and I never want to see Rudy Guiliani in HD ever again!!!! ;)

I switch between CSPAN and PBS HD. When the talking heads come on PBS HD, I switch to CSPAN to see what's going on. Some of the people they show during the breaks are a hoot!

I started watching CNN HD the first night of the DNC, but I don't like all of the stuff they put all over the screen all of the time. On PBS HD it is just the picture with no crawl or junk at the bottom of the screen. Plus I don't need the talking heads telling me what I just saw anyway. They all use the same feeds pretty much, so the quality is not much, if any, different on any provider. PBS HD OTA might be a bit better, but not much.

Both conventions are about having your buddies build you up so you don't have to talk about yourself.
Some candidates then use their time to actually discuss real issues, but most find it more satisfying to put down others which is more provocative even if less productive.
Of course, sometimes when real issues are discussed, real solutions are never revealed (I guess they are a secret?).
Like the electoral college, it's an antiquated approach to the same old thing.

I think as long as the thread don't turn to right vs left bitch slapping, the discussion of performance and how outstanding she looked in HD, it's ok.

The mega event speech Obama gave at mile high looked great in HD, just not as much eye candy.

Guess I was wrong again.

Guess I was wrong again.

Is politics totally out, or just discussing opposing views? I tried to give a fair assessment of less than satisfactory televised political proceedings without polarizing opinions about specific subjects (except the electoral college which is a process used by all parties) or personalities. If the mods want to delete or close, that's ok too.

Is politics totally out, or just discussing opposing views? I tried to give a fair assessment of less than satisfactory televised political proceedings without polarizing opinions about specific subjects (except the electoral college which is a process used by all parties) or personalities. If the mods want to delete or close, that's ok too.

I dunno. I was just going by the forum rules which state "-No Political Threads, please go to a political forum to discuss politics." But if the Mod says this discussion is OK then so be it.

I think the current stance on political theme threads is the moderators have the discretion to lock or remove a thread that gets into a left-right, or right-left, pissing contest. On forums and blogs that allow such heated discussions, allow things to get out of hand very quickly and thus the request by Cass of no politics. We take a bit of the don't ask, don't tell approach here, but will delete posts that are clearly flame baiting or of a retaliation nature. There is no black and white definition so it is sorta like what that Supreme Court Justice said about porn, can't define it, but I know it when I see it.

I have spent a lot of time in the past on political forums and I know that a poster knows when they are trying to stir up things.

Thanks for keeping this the way I intended guy's. If this really is a problem again I apologize. Anyway I am a little upset at Dish for taking away the HD channel. For the DNC they had 2 channels in a row 1 std and 1 HD now the HD one is gone.:mad: I did see it on another channel in HD but that one has commentary and I like the one that is convention only.

Looked good in HD

That gal looks good in any D. :eyecrazy

"What's the difference between a hockey mom and a pit bull? ...... Lipstick", Sarah Palin

That was a good line.

I would actually like to be able to discuss a little politics here as i have got to know some people here and in general they seem to be intelligent hard working people. If I went to a political forum I would probably not care about anyone's strong biased opinions. At least here I have things in common with the normal posters be it gaming, sports, HD movies, etc... which has turned into also getting personal on some things and learning a little about who they are. I can value a mans opinion if I kind of know where he is coming from and this is by far my favorite and now only forum that i frequent. So being able to talk a little politics for say the next two months would be kind of nice. Its hard to find any meaningful conversation these days and there are some people here worth debating with.

The rules of this forum state "-No Political Threads, please go to a political forum to discuss politics."

This isn't a political thread. It's a babe thread. :)

I think the no politics discussions is a great rule. Discussion may start off okay, but more than likely will end up ugly.

I would actually like to be able to discuss a little politics here as i have got to know some people here and in general they seem to be intelligent hard working people. If I went to a political forum I would probably not care about anyone's strong biased opinions. At least here I have things in common with the normal posters be it gaming, sports, HD movies, etc... which has turned into also getting personal on some things and learning a little about who they are. I can value a mans opinion if I kind of know where he is coming from and this is by far my favorite and now only forum that i frequent. So being able to talk a little politics for say the next two months would be kind of nice. Its hard to find any meaningful conversation these days and there are some people here worth debating with.Nothing wrong with using Private Messages. That takes the one-oneupmanship out of the equation.

This isn't a political thread. It's a babe thread. :)For real!
Interesting that Obama's mega event speech drew 38 million viewers on TV and Palin's speech drew 37 million. Eye candy - the great equalizer!

If Mcain can survive being in between his wife and Sarah and not have a coronary I think he will be good to go......:lol:

McSnore's speech was a bore last nite... :zzz That dull blue backdrop may have been OK if you were there, but it did not look right on TV. They should have just used the flowing US flag as backdrop.

Great Speech, I like Sarah Palin and she is more than just attractive, she has stage presence and looks and acts comfortable in the spotlight.

Chris

Sounds and looks good! If she does not get elected maybe she could headline in Vegas!

I was highly impressed with her speech and how articulate she was.

Unfortunately I also think the campaign will become personal and resort to fairly dirty tactics before it is done, from both sides.

Already the media is bringing up all sorts of off hand comments about her family and her daughter being pregnant out of wedlock (not a lot of mention about her getting married to the father of the child though).

I was highly impressed with her speech and how articulate she was.

Unfortunately I also think the campaign will become personal and resort to fairly dirty tactics before it is done, from both sides.

Already the media is bringing up all sorts of off hand comments about her family and her daughter being pregnant out of wedlock (not a lot of mention about her getting married to the father of the child though).

I don't believe the official Democratic party workers will make mention of personal private family matters, unless something is done improperly or inconsistent with Sarah Palin's official political stances. It is very unfortunate her 17 year old daughter is pregnant, but by all appearances all that is happening is that the family is supporting and standing by and offering love and whatever is needed to the girl. What a doozy of a mistake the young lady has made, her life will never be the same, it is a terrible thing to give up so much of your youth to raise a child at that age. I am so happy my children, now ages 18, 20, and 21 are all still single and without children or pregnancies. Criticize me if you want, but children should not be having children and I make no exceptions to that rule but when it happens, you can't do any better than the Palins are doing.

The personal familly matter mudslinging will come from people not working for Obama, that much I feel sure of.

Chris

I don't believe the official Democratic party workers will make mention of personal private family matters, unless something is done improperly or inconsistent with Sarah Palin's official political stances. It is very unfortunate her 17 year old daughter is pregnant, but by all appearances all that is happening is that the family is supporting and standing by and offering love and whatever is needed to the girl. What a doozy of a mistake the young lady has made, her life will never be the same, it is a terrible thing to give up so much of your youth to raise a child at that age. I am so happy my children, now ages 18, 20, and 21 are all still single and without children or pregnancies. Criticize me if you want, but children should not be having children and I make no exceptions to that rule but when it happens, you can't do any better than the Palins are doing.

The personal familly matter mudslinging will come from people not working for Obama, that much I feel sure of.

Chris

I believe that is correct, but there will be plenty of Democrats within the party that won't have a problem getting as nasty as they want and the media has already started, I guess dirt sells well.

I'm hoping as a long time Democrat that won't happen, but I'm afraid it will.

I believe that is correct, but there will be plenty of Democrats within the party that won't have a problem getting as nasty as they want and the media has already started, I guess dirt sells well.

I'm hoping as a long time Democrat that won't happen, but I'm afraid it will.

I just wish all the enthusiasm to get McCain elected was there 8 years ago. I think they did him an injustice by waiting until people start complaining he's too old. And I mean that regardless of anyone's party affiliation. I just believe this country could have been better served by him all this time.

I just wish all the enthusiasm to get McCain elected was there 8 years ago. I think they did him an injustice by waiting until people start complaining he's too old. And I mean that regardless of anyone's party affiliation. I just believe this country could have been better served by him all this time.

I remember the same remarks/arguments being stated about a candidate being too old to be President when Ronald Reagan ran also.

I would say he turned out to be an effective President, even though I didn't vote for him. :(

I just wish all the enthusiasm to get McCain elected was there 8 years ago. I think they did him an injustice by waiting until people start complaining he's too old. And I mean that regardless of anyone's party affiliation. I just believe this country could have been better served by him all this time.

Given hindsight, I agree, but I didn't think that way at the time.

Chris

Given hindsight, I agree, but I didn't think that way at the time.

Chris

I know, hindsight is great for the could'ves and should'ves...

I don't think many Conservatives are very fired up with McCain at all. Somehow he made it through unlike in 2000. Republicans are much more fired up about Palin than the actual presidential candidate. Brilliant choice by McCain so far so maybe if he's elected he has more good moves in store.:2cents

I remember the same remarks/arguments being stated about a candidate being too old to be President when Ronald Reagan ran also.

I would say he turned out to be an effective President, even though I didn't vote for him. :(

So you were the one. :)

It'll be interesting to see the polls in the next couple of weeks once the post convention 'bumps' wear off.

Personally I'm expecting to see a slight Obama lead.

It'll be interesting to see the polls in the next couple of weeks once the post convention 'bumps' wear off.

Personally I'm expecting to see a slight Obama lead.

Maybe the debates will push things one way or the other, but based on previous years, the nature of the questions, the time limits, and the typical political pettiness, will tend to dilute any real meaty discussions.

If u put lipstick on a.... :p

Maybe the debates will push things one way or the other, but based on previous years, the nature of the questions, the time limits, and the typical political pettiness, will tend to dilute any real meaty discussions.

She is hot - but that doesnt mean she would make a good VP. To be honest, her opinion about how the Iraq war is 'God's plan' makes her a very bad candidate in my eyes because she does nothing other than giving Christians a bad name with such a statement.

She was the victim of some clever editing. She was saying to pray that the war was God's plan. They also have tended to say that Obama's pig comment was about Palin. Watch out for spin both directions.

I did. I'm a decent judge of character.
Given hindsight, I agree, but I didn't think that way at the time.

Chris

Agreed- The War statement can be spun, but her comment to pray for an oil pipeline, that's just F'd up. Just do the research yourself. Since McCain didn't vet her, looks like we have to.

She was the victim of some clever editing. She was saying to pray that the war was God's plan. They also have tended to say that Obama's pig comment was about Palin. Watch out for spin both directions.

The format for the debates this year has been changed. Look for some one on one, give and take fireworks shows this time around. I look for Palin to do better than expected, but still get trounced, it's a pretty low bar by now. I also look for McCain to get his ass handed to him.


Maybe the debates will push things one way or the other, but based on previous years, the nature of the questions, the time limits, and the typical political pettiness, will tend to dilute any real meaty discussions.

No that would be me. Edited to remove flaming personal opinion.....
So you were the one. :)

Agreed- The War statement can be spun, but her comment to pray for an oil pipeline, that's just F'd up. Just do the research yourself. Since McCain didn't vet her, looks like we have to.I have and have seen the entire clip where she started off the statement. The beginning part most news outlets have left out. She definately was saying (paraphrased) to pray that the troops mission was part of God's plan. But people are going to beleive what they are predisposed to believe on that matter just like the pig statement, thus everyone should do their own research. That is the point not trying to convince anyone that one way or another is correct. All that does is to excallate into a pissing contest which is what we don't want here. You have asserted your view twice and I have mine twice. Any further attemps to convince me or me to convince you will just run the risk of escallation.

Anyone catch Tina Fey as Sarah Palin on SNL? I just heard how exact Fey got her, and found the clip on youtube last night. It really seems like it is actually her. There a few clips that are just excerpts of the SNL skit, and one that turns into the Rick Astley video. But the full SNL clip is there, it's about 5:30 long. Check it out, Fey really nailed her!

I saw Tina do the impression and I don't think she would have any trouble going out on the street and having people believe that she was Salin herself. Uncanny resemblence.........:yippee:

The Hurricane Ike coverage was on here in Houston so I didn't see it live in HD, but the clip sure looks like she did look and sound like Gov. Palin for sure. I'm sure we will see more of this character since the Sen. Clinton, Bush, and Obama characters are not really very good. I've not seen a McCane or Biden character yet, but they will have to come up with some. Their Cheney is ok, but the Palin is much better from what I've seen so far.

I heard Tina Fey would do Sarah Palin Saturday night and I set it to record but haven't watched it yet. Ike knocked the electricity out, I believe shortly after SNL ended so I think I have it recorded is what I should say.

Chris

I read an article today that indicated it's kind of up in the air about whether or not Tina Fey will be able to continue playing her throughout the campaign and especially if McCain/Palin wins the election. She won't be available this Sat. night because she will be in LA at the Emmy's. Then her schedule with 30 Rock keeps her pretty busy. My guess is she will pop up once or twice more before the election but beyond that it's anyone's guess. If they get someone else I think it'll be Kristen Wigg(sp?).

Darrell Hammond has portrayed McCain in the past I think. If not, he's my bet to do so this fall.

Darrell Hammond has portrayed McCain in the past I think. If not, he's my bet to do so this fall.That sounds like a good bet. He is their best mimic currently. Gone are the days of killer impressions like Tina's, I guess. A lot of their stuff has gotten pretty lame. But that the way that show goes, great for a while then bad for a while.

We were fortunate enough to watch both conventions in HD - via qam tuner - no comcast here. Me pitbull thought the lipstick comment a bit disturbing,,,Otis Jr. had nightmares for a week.

Uh....Did you see "Tropic Thunder"? The scene where the Director walks out to the beach and finds Nick Nolte?

I have and have seen the entire clip where she started off the statement. The beginning part most news outlets have left out. She definately was saying (paraphrased) to pray that the troops mission was part of God's plan. But people are going to beleive what they are predisposed to believe on that matter just like the pig statement, thus everyone should do their own research. That is the point not trying to convince anyone that one way or another is correct. All that does is to excallate into a pissing contest which is what we don't want here. You have asserted your view twice and I have mine twice. Any further attemps to convince me or me to convince you will just run the risk of escallation.

We were fortunate enough to watch both conventions in HD - via qam tuner - no comcast here. Me pitbull thought the lipstick comment a bit disturbing,,,Otis Jr. had nightmares for a week.

I can't relate to what being a hockey mom means, but I thought it was funny and I assumed the only people offended would be hockey moms or pitbull owners. A joke should be just a joke and always taken as intended. The jokes Bernie Mac told at an Obama function were fussed about but I will sure never understand the political correctness requirement.

chris

I can't relate to what being a hockey mom means, but I thought it was funny and I assumed the only people offended would be hockey moms or pitbull owners. A joke should be just a joke and always taken as intended. The jokes Bernie Mac told at an Obama function were fussed about but I will sure never understand the political correctness requirement.

chrisA Hockey Mom is a frozen area Soccer Mom. But you are right, I can't relate to that either since Hockey is not big in Texas.

Palin knocks them dead alright... Wow..she is clueless (http://www.cbsnews.com/video/watch/?id=4478156n)..this is embarrassing.. :eyecrazy

Palin knocks them dead alright... Wow..she is clueless (http://www.cbsnews.com/video/watch/?id=4478156n)..this is embarrassing.. :eyecrazy

Funny, but yet scary at the same time.

She wasn't "available" for comments after the Presidential debates last night and is being tucked away from the media in general.

Sorry folks, when I view the VP resume, I don't look for "eye candy" as a qualification. ;)

Palin knocks them dead alright... Wow..she is clueless (http://www.cbsnews.com/video/watch/?id=4478156n)..this is embarrassing.. :eyecrazy

If I were you I would check your facts on who is clueless, Biden didn't even know who was president at the time of the last recession and he said that the pres went on tv to talk to the people and there was no tv at the time. Talk about clueless........:eyecrazy

Well Joe Biden isn't the brightest guy in the world either. In his interview he stated that FDR was president during the Stock Market crash of 1929 and went on television to calm America's fears. uh no, Herbert Hoover was president, FDR would become president 4 years later. And tv's weren't really prevalent at that time.

Man, when did Katie Couric become such a bulldog of an interviewer that she makes these VP candidates look bad? :p

http://latimesblogs.latimes.com/washington/2008/09/biden-fdr.html

....Biden didn't even know who was president at the time of the last recession and he said that the pres went on tv to talk to the people and there was no tv at the time.

Well Joe Biden isn't the brightest guy in the world either. In his interview he stated that FDR was president during the Stock Market crash of 1929 and went on television to calm America's fears. uh no, Herbert Hoover was president, FDR would become president 4 years later. And tv's weren't really prevalent at that time.

Between making a mistake on when a president was in office vs being "clueless" on the economy and foreign policy... I'm going to give Biden a pass. Call me crazy, ;) but I'm guessing the VP's job functions are going to lean more toward economics and world relations than game show style questions (i.e. when the TV was invented).

I love Cafferty's response. (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=L8__aXxXPVc)

Not to mention, at least Biden is available to speak... Not being tucked away from the media. I don't know what's worse, the fact she wasn't anywhere to be found at the first Presidential debate or that the media isn't discussing it more, trying to find out why. Then again, I guess it's difficult considering they aren't able to get direct contact with her.

I find it very disturbing that a VP candidate is hiding from the media.

Between making a mistake on when a president was in office vs being "clueless" on the economy and foreign policy... I'm going to give Biden a pass. Call me crazy, ;) but I'm guessing the VP's job functions are going to lean more toward economics and world relations than game show style questions (i.e. when the TV was invented).

I love Cafferty's response. (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=L8__aXxXPVc)

Not to mention, at least Biden is available to speak... Not being tucked away from the media. I don't know what's worse, the fact she wasn't anywhere to be found at the first Presidential debate or that the media isn't discussing it more, trying to find out why. Then again, I guess it's difficult considering they aren't able to get direct contact with her.

I find it very disturbing that a VP candidate is hiding from the media.

Hiding from the media, Just because she has not done everything that the liberals want and gone everywhere they think she should does not mean she is hiding from the media. She has been on major networks answering questions but that still is not good enough for the lefties. Liberals are just running scared and doing everything they can to try and make her out to be something she is not. Wait for the debate and then make up your mind about her. I find it funny that you give Biden a pass when he has made more gafs then almost any other politician. So much so that people are saying, including Biden himself,that Hillary would have been a better choice. How much better did that make you feel about someone who might be president........Oh my god I just threw up a little in my mouth just thinking of that..............:eyecrazy

.

Man, when did Katie Couric become such a bulldog of an interviewer that she makes these VP candidates look bad? :p



I would not credit Katie Couric too much; Senator Biden has been doing this all by himself for many years . . .

It's like when he told the media that Hillary Clinton would have been a better pick than he for VP-- damn, Joe, EVERYONE knows that already-- you just don't need to remind them . . .

Hiding from the media... ...does not mean she is hiding from the media.

Well, is she hiding or not? As for being on major networks, she was, and we see how that went.

...has not done everything that the liberals want...

How is being available at the Presidential debate, want the liberals want? What's the excuse for not being available to respond and support your running mate?

I get Biden made blunders...everyone does (sweet Jeebus, Bush is king). Democrat, Republican, it happens and should (for the most part) be excused. However, not being able to make rational reponses or have an understanding of economics and international affairs, isn't a blunder.

How much better did that make you feel about someone who might be president

It wasn't as scary as seeing someone with apparently little knowledge on basic matters, be even closer (see McCain's age and health) to being President.

Hiding from the media... ...does not mean she is hiding from the media.

Well, is she hiding or not? As for being on major networks, she was, and we see how that went.

...has not done everything that the liberals want...

How is being available at the Presidential debate, want the liberals want? What's the excuse for not being available to respond and support your running mate?

I get Biden made blunders...everyone does (sweet Jeebus, Bush is king). Democrat, Republican, it happens and should (for the most part) be excused. However, not being able to make rational reponses or have an understanding of economics and international affairs, isn't a blunder.

How much better did that make you feel about someone who might be president

It wasn't as scary as seeing someone with apparently little knowledge on basic matters, be even closer (see McCain's age and health) to being President.

OK, as to your first statement only a liberal would get that so...:eyecrazy

As to your second statement, how do you know what she is doing behind the scenes to support McCain, Just because she didn't call you up and explain doesn't mean she isn't there for support even if not physically.

Third, A blunder is when it happens once in awhile, but when it happens all the time as in Bidens case it is CLUELESS......:helpme

And last but not least, She knows about as much as Obama knows and you think he can be president....God help us...:huh

If I were you I would check your facts on who is clueless, Biden didn't even know who was president at the time of the last recession and he said that the pres went on tv to talk to the people and there was no tv at the time. Talk about clueless........:eyecrazy

I didn't see your post before I posted mine about Biden's lack of knowledge of history. Beat me to it by 3 minutes.

OK, as to your first statement only a liberal would get that so...
Only a liberal would catch a contradiction?

...Just because she didn't call you up...
If she called me up, I be surprised at how she got my number...Bush no doubt. :D Just saying, one would think that showing up for a Presidential debate would be top on her list.

She knows about as much as Obama knows...
Really, no really...come on now. She was mayor of a town with less than 10,000 people or so. And governor less than two years...seriously.

I'll leave you boys alone and let you get back to getting all googalie eyed for her. I know "heated" political debates are frowned on (as they should be in this setting). Just remember, she's running for VP of America, not Miss America. :p

The really funny thing about Caribou Barbie is that when they did the SNL sketch on her last night, a couple of her answers were verbatim from the Couric interview. Pretty hilarious stuff, if she wasn't running for VP.

The really funny thing about Caribou Barbie is that when they did the SNL sketch on her last night, a couple of her answers were verbatim from the Couric interview. Pretty hilarious stuff, if she wasn't running for VP.

Even scarier is that she might end up as President since John McCain is a 72 year-old in a 95 year-old's body.

In the 1956 election one of the Democrat slogans was "A vote for Eisenhower is a vote for Nixon". They lost anyway, which might be the reason they haven't come out with "A vote for McCain is a vote for Palin" this time.

Are they related? They have more in common than being former beauty queens :D (mods, the YOUTUBE tag is not working correctly)

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=npUMUASwaec

That’s why I say, I like ever American I’m speaking with were ill about this position that we have been put in where it is the tax payers looking to bailout.

But ultimately, what the bailout does is help those who are concerned about the health care reform that is needed to help shore up the economy– Helping the — Oh, it’s got to be about job creation too. Shoring up our economy and putting it back on the right track. So health care reform and reducing taxes and reining in spending has got to accompany tax reductions and tax relief for Americas. A

And trade we’ve got to see trade as opportunity, not as a competitive scary thing. But 1 in 5 jobs being created in the trade sector today. We’ve got to look at that as more opportunity. ALl those things under the umbrella of job creation.

This bailout is a part of that.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=lj3iNxZ8Dww
I personally believe that U.S. Americans are unable to do so because, uh, some people out there in our nation don't have maps, and, uh, I believe that our education like such as in South Africa and, uh, the Iraq everywhere like, such as, and I believe that they should, our education over here in the U.S. should help the U.S., er, should help South Africa and should help the Iraq and the Asian countries, so we will be able to build up our future for our children.

Edit: Normally mods will not edit posts, but this one can be used for instructive purposes. The problem is the youtube tags are just added to the highlighted area and if there is a link inside the tags, the youtube tag will not work correctly. You need to remove the link manually before adding the tags if you paste the url into the post.

Personally, me thinks that Sarah Palin is a good person that wishes to do right by herself and her family. She has done some good things for Alaska and pissed off a few republicans in doing so. Does she or McCain gather me vote - hell no! They can distance themselves as far as they want from Bush but the story remains the same. The republicans push for less and smaller government - has not happened - the republicans push for fiscal responsibility - has not happened. Rather the opposite has happened. Not only under Bush but also Reagan (great actor, horrible president). John McCain is a fine man. But he is no statesman, he seems to cynical and angry to lead us back to a nation of respect. What this country needs at this moment is some credibility in Washington - a statesman that is a great orator, a youthful vision of a leader, a person that will garner respect and admiration. Along with that comes confidence and the will to make the tough choices that face us. Not saying that Barack is the right man for the job, but me gut feeling is that the job came about at the right time for a fresh, new, tough young man who is willing to tackle a tough job. Me apologize to the mods about a political rant, but me also be a codgy old veteran, that loves to hunt, and yup,,,a liberal. A liberal and proud of it!

Not good for us to go into this, just going to cause issues among us all. Who knows who'll win in November?

Dem
Liberal
Repb

Does it all matter in the end, the country is going in a bad direction who can bring us out of it?

What I'm tired about is hearing news about how the candidates are doing in swing states. Again, the election will be decided by a handful of swing states, with no regard to the rest of the country. What I believe we need is to switch to a national popular vote. That way conservatives in Massachusetts and liberals in Texas will have a voice. It will also increase voter turn out nation wide. After all, what is the incentive for anyone in Mass or texas to vote at all? Sure, there may be some local questions or officials on the ballot, but not always. Why vote if the outcome of winner-take-all in your state is all but assured?

The nice thing is that it is possible to enact National Popular Vote without amending the constitution.

I hear the libs say how bad they think Palin is and how inexperienced she is but how about telling us all how experienced Barack is by letting us know, besides being a community organizer:rolleyes:, how many bills he has authored and how he voted on important issues,and that doesn't mean present:haha:, and how is his exact plans, not something you guy's make up, are going to change the world and make all of us sing kumbaya.

I hear the libs say how bad they think Palin is and how inexperienced she is but how about telling us all how experienced Barack is by letting us know, besides being a community organizer:rolleyes:, how many bills he has authored and how he voted on important issues,and that doesn't mean present:haha:, and how is his exact plans, not something you guy's make up, are going to change the world and make all of us sing kumbaya.

The fact of the matter is that Barack has proven himself to not only be a fighter, but also gracious in doing so. He has been on the campaign trail for well over a year and time after time has fought and won against his opponents. That has to say something. He was gracious to Senator Mccain during the last debate and gave Sen. Mccain credit when credit was due. The media picked up on this and thought he was giving in, me thoughts were that he was being humble. As for Palin, when she agreed to run for VP, she agreed to jump into the nastiness of Washington politics. Me agrees with you that experience is not the only thing that we should base our leaders on. Candor, toughness, respect, humility, leadership skills, etc. are but a few things that are inherit. Barack Obama, in me opinion, stands head and shoulders above the others in this race.

Me also wishes to thank the mods for "turning the other cheek" about our no politics rule. Me thinks that as long as we keep things civil and all in the family, they might permit us to rant a bit longer.

The nice thing is that it is possible to enact National Popular Vote without amending the constitution.

This is absolutely false. A straight national popular vote would assume that all votes are equal, but they are not, and the inequality is built-in to the Constitution.

Under the Constitution the votes for President belong to the States and the number of votes that each state gets is not directly proportional to its population. The number of votes per state is deliberately skewed in favour of the smaller (population-wise) states at the expense of the larger states (population-wise). The result of this skewing is that a vote is only equal to all the other votes cast in the same State. A vote in Alaska is not equal to a vote in Calfornia. In fact, given the current distribuion of electoral votes, a vote in Alaska is worh 2.89 votes in California.

The only way to eliminate the skewing is a Constitutional Amendment. And any such amendment is almost certain to be rejected by enough States to kill it.

The fact of the matter is that Barack has proven himself to not only be a fighter, but also gracious in doing so. He has been on the campaign trail for well over a year and time after time has fought and won against his opponents. That has to say something. He was gracious to Senator Mccain during the last debate and gave Sen. Mccain credit when credit was due. The media picked up on this and thought he was giving in, me thoughts were that he was being humble. As for Palin, when she agreed to run for VP, she agreed to jump into the nastiness of Washington politics. Me agrees with you that experience is not the only thing that we should base our leaders on. Candor, toughness, respect, humility, leadership skills, etc. are but a few things that are inherit. Barack Obama, in me opinion, stands head and shoulders above the others in this race.

But it is experience that people need in a President, I think both have good and bad traits but in the end being a gracious fighter isn't enough,IMO. Also I didn't really get the answer to my question but ofcourse we both know there is none.:what: Also I second the thanking the mods for letting us get opinionated without attacking each other........:yippee:

Instead of being political fanboys, lets face the facts that neither candidate really has experience to be prez... The current one, had all kind of connections and look at the lousy job he has done... :rolleyes:

I hear the libs say how bad they think Palin is and how inexperienced she is but how about telling us all how experienced Barack is by letting us know, besides being a community organizer:rolleyes:, how many bills he has authored and how he voted on important issues,and that doesn't mean present:haha:, and how is his exact plans, not something you guy's make up, are going to change the world and make all of us sing kumbaya.

This is absolutely false. A straight national popular vote would assume that all votes are equal, but they are not, and the inequality is built-in to the Constitution.

Under the Constitution the votes for President belong to the States and the number of votes that each state gets is not directly proportional to its population. The number of votes per state is deliberately skewed in favour of the smaller (population-wise) states at the expense of the larger states (population-wise). The result of this skewing is that a vote is only equal to all the other votes cast in the same State. A vote in Alaska is not equal to a vote in Calfornia. In fact, given the current distribuion of electoral votes, a vote in Alaska is worh 2.89 votes in California.

The only way to eliminate the skewing is a Constitutional Amendment. And any such amendment is almost certain to be rejected by enough States to kill it.

Everything you said is indeed true, except for the need of a constitutional amendment. Each state gets a number of electors equal to the number of senators plus number of representatives, which is exactly what gives less populous states a bit more voting power.

However, a state can award its electors however the legislator in that state wants to. So, say enough states pass a law that simply says that it will award it's electors to whoever wins the national popular vote. Also, such a law only becomes binding if and only if enough other states pass identical legislation such that the electoral total of the states that pass the legislation is equal to or greater than 270. Bingo. A de facto national popular vote without eliminating the electoral college, nor requiring an amendment.

Oh, and it so happens that this is indeed happening. 4 states so far have passed such legislation: New Jersey, Illinois, Maryland, and Hawaii. Of course, the big hinderance to this is the fact that while this legislation passed both houses in California, governor Schwarzenegger vetoed it.

While I admit that the possibility of this legislation passing in enough states (can be done with 11 states if California goes along) is very slim, it is a very interesting loophole around the electoral college.

Everything you said is indeed true, except for the need of a constitutional amendment. Each state gets a number of electors equal to the number of senators plus number of representatives, which is exactly what gives less populous states a bit more voting power.

However, a state can award its electors however the legislator in that state wants to. So, say enough states pass a law that simply says that it will award it's electors to whoever wins the national popular vote. Also, such a law only becomes binding if and only if enough other states pass identical legislation such that the electoral total of the states that pass the legislation is equal to or greater than 270. Bingo. A de facto national popular vote without eliminating the electoral college, nor requiring an amendment.

Oh, and it so happens that this is indeed happening. 4 states so far have passed such legislation: New Jersey, Illinois, Maryland, and Hawaii. Of course, the big hinderance to this is the fact that while this legislation passed both houses in California, governor Schwarzenegger vetoed it.

While I admit that the possibility of this legislation passing in enough states (can be done with 11 states if California goes along) is very slim, it is a very interesting loophole around the electoral college.

So a state should just ignore its own voters? That is precisely what would happen under such a system in any state where the the majority of the voters vote for the candidate who loses in the national popular vote. How long do you think the voters in states that simply ignore their wishes would stand for it? It's a recipe for voter rebellion and possible riots in the streets.

Come on fellas this is not a political forum there are other forums for this thread....As far as Palin..I'll leave my two cents worth..she's awesome, and what a teenage kid would say, a bone MILF....

Come on fellas this is not a political forum there are other forums for this thread....As far as Palin..I'll leave my two cents worth..she's awesome, and what a teenage kid would say, a bone MILF....

my wife said the same thing while we watched the debate. she was like "WOW she's prettier then i thought".

I have been clicking through all the new channels and at first i saw pretty much the same responses,

"everyone came out equal" "there was no winner"

but now after some time has passed and the reporters and analysts have had time to disects the debate i'm starting to see a trend. pretty much all the new channels are now saying Palin lost the debate. they are holding a strong opinion that the worst point was on the plan of what we will do in Iraq. many studies showed that was where the biggest gap between both parties.

Look i'm not even voting so please don't attack the messanger. all i'm doing is stating what i'm seeing on all these news stations. i'm honestly surprised at how much i'm into this election considering i'm not going to vote.

what's even more funny is back before Bush was elected and it looked like he wasn't going to win i straight up told everyone at my college Bush was going to win and we were going back to Iraq. then the next election came and i told those same buddies again that Bush was going to win again and corporate america was going to rape us until our system could not handle it anymore.

i honestly wished i was wrong simply because some of the people i told are now struggling due to this BS that's going on. hell i even almost fell victim when i applied for a home loan.

whomever wins i just hope he is the man that will bring our country back to when the grass was green and the girls was pretty. 99 cent gas wouldn't hurt either :D

The polls taken right after the debate had Biden winning 51% to Palin 36%.

One of the analysts probably said it best; "Tonight, Sarah Palin helped Sarah Palin, but she didn't help John McCain."

Wow that was painful. Sarah Palin is nothing more than a walking, breathing, Right Wing talking points memo. She's worse than Chris Gerhartz. Just fly off topic spewing talking points, ignoring the question.

I think its time to have this thread closed! Its gotten to political!

But it is experience that people need in a President, I think both have good and bad traits but in the end being a gracious fighter isn't enough,IMO. Also I didn't really get the answer to my question but ofcourse we both know there is none.:what: Also I second the thanking the mods for letting us get opinionated without attacking each other........:yippee:

IMO, experience is negligible if you constantly make WRONG decisions. John McCain has gobs of experience, and he still makes wrong decisions.

Judgement > Experience

I think its time to have this thread closed! Its gotten to political!

Political threads have been known to go on as long as they stay civil and polite, which this thread appears to be. (although I only read page 1 and 6)

Wow that was painful. Sarah Palin is nothing more than a walking, breathing, Right Wing talking points memo. She's worse than Chris Gerhartz. Just fly off topic spewing talking points, ignoring the question.

I should clarify that I mostly feel bad for Sarah Palin. 2 months ago, she was just an innocent mother/governor of Alaska, and all of a sudden, she was thrust into this position and she's being made a fool of. The woman clearly isn't cut out for this, and she is being crammed so full of information in such a short time, she just can't handle it all. But its not her fault. She was asked to be VP, and shouldn't have been. She's not an idiot, she's just not educated up to the level of a normal VP pick. Thats fine for her normal profession; governor of Alaska. But for a VP pick, all of a sudden she's a total dumbass.

Not her fault. McCain's fault. Bad judgment from an old man grasping for straws

So a state should just ignore its own voters? That is precisely what would happen under such a system in any state where the the majority of the voters vote for the candidate who loses in the national popular vote. How long do you think the voters in states that simply ignore their wishes would stand for it? It's a recipe for voter rebellion and possible riots in the streets.

Yes, it raises the possibility that a state may very well award it's EC votes to a candidate who would not have otherwise got those EC votes. However, you left out that the only time it would make any difference in who is elected is if that candidate wouldn't have won the EC vote anyway. Something that has happened only three times. For example, if this national popular vote plan was in effect, I don't think those in New York State would be so concerned if their EC votes went to Bush rather than Kerry. The outcome in either case is the same: Bush wins a second term.

But, this is all speculation. Because as I have said, under a national popular vote, I think voters in every single state would have more reason to vote, drastically increasing voter turnout. So the close popular vote count between Bush/Kerry under an EC vote may not be so close under a national popular vote. It's impossible to go back and do a what-if.

I should clarify that I mostly feel bad for Sarah Palin. 2 months ago, she was just an innocent mother/governor of Alaska, and all of a sudden, she was thrust into this position and she's being made a fool of. The woman clearly isn't cut out for this, and she is being crammed so full of information in such a short time, she just can't handle it all. But its not her fault. She was asked to be VP, and shouldn't have been. She's not an idiot, she's just not educated up to the level of a normal VP pick. Thats fine for her normal profession; governor of Alaska. But for a VP pick, all of a sudden she's a total dumbass.

Not her fault. McCain's fault. Bad judgment from an old man grasping for straws

Actually as strange as it is (I'm a lifelong Democrat) I thought Palin did extremely well and I saw some polls done that showed Palin won the debate by a wide margin, I didn't think so, but she held her own and looked intelligent, calm and well versed, Biden (who I like a lot) talked like a Senator and lectured more then spoke to the people and he unfortunately was wrong at least 10 times on his facts especially about McCain's voting record and even about the Constitution. although that will not be important to most of the public because they won't realize it nor probably care to research it.

And yes there were times when she didn't answer the question, but she knew it was a loaded question she couldn't answer without losing some points, so she danced away from it and said what she felt was important.

And complaining about that is like saying in a boxing match, that "Wait the other boxer wouldn't stand still and let my boxer use his best punch and instead he deflected it and danced away", so the complaints are useless and kind of cry baby like.

I thought it was one of the better debates I've seen and really laid to rest all the discussion about if she is qualified, she obviously is and McCain's choice for Vice President seems to have been a good one after all.

A very scary two words for me:

"President Palin"

A very scary two words for me:

"President Palin"

Then you get scared way too easy, whoever becomes President and Vice President sure they will inherit a mess right now, but as shown before the economy has natural ups and down and we always learn from our mistakes and take steps to correct them and recover from them and we will again, then whoever is President will be hailed a savior and a hero, that is until some new crisis occurs and then he/she will be in the doghouse again because they didn't magically see it as a possibility and prevent it.

I saw some polls done that showed Palin won the debate by a wide margin...

What polls were these? :lol:

Palin does a great job at not answering questions. She seems like a decent person, but all I see when she's talking is a glazed over look and I don't have any faith in what she's saying.

A very scary two words for me:

"President Palin"


*shakes violently* Whuuuuu...it even sounds evil. :huh

Bad and boring VP chat last night.. Not as good as the Pres one.. Going to be a very close race, going to bring out everyone who never voted prior. I hope it doesn't get out of control? Boy have you all seen the tent cities popping out with everyone loosing their homes Welcome to New Tent City Population 2 billion might be born out of this one.

What polls were these? :lol:

Palin does a great job at not answering questions. She seems like a decent person, but all I see when she's talking is a glazed over look and I don't have any faith in what she's saying.


Republican polls

Republican polls

:lol:

Governor Palin did what was expected. Sen. Biden did what was expected. What me thought was interesting was the scrolling approval/disapproval bar at the bottom of the sceen. It seemed everytime Governor Palin mentioned Sen. McCains name - the bar went down. Nonetheless, me view on the debate; Biden held his own, a few minor gaffs but all in all, he throttled himself by not throttling Palin. Gov. Palin had a nervous quality in her voice (expected) but her pasty "You Betcha" nomer really got annoying. I realize it's her dialect but she seemed to think that her homey cutisms would help in the debate. Didn't help.

Didn't help.


And that reflected in every single poll I've seen so far.

A very scary two words for me:

"President Palin"

Not as scary as President Barack Hussien Obama...........:eek:

Not as scary as President Barack Hussien Obama...........:eek:

Just what is it that scares you about Senator Obama? Me realizes that you questioned his voting record. If you do a bit of research, you will find that he has been involved in numerous pieces of legislation - some good - some bad. You will also find out that he is a highly intelligent man, prone to making correct decisions. He has been derided for his lack of experience, tell me, just what experience qualifies a person to be our president? The above can also be said about Senator McCain. He is also a good man that wishes the best for you and meself, along with our country. What separates the two is that Sen.McCain is affiliated with the Bush administration - a big negative. The war in Iraq is a big negative towards McCain. His point of the surge being a success is a joke. It's rather simple that if you throw thousands more troops and dollars at a problem, yup, you can call it a success. Me days in the military our mantra was you kill the enemy with "The least amount of manpower in the least amount of time with the least amount of losses". Somewhere we got lost. Let me clue you in, we got lost where oil was involved and huge government contracts were involved. McCain is being puppetized by the powers that be. Where he once was considered a maverick against the "system" he has now fallen lockstop into Cheney's footsteps - that's the scary part.

Actually as strange as it is (I'm a lifelong Democrat) I thought Palin did extremely well and I saw some polls done that showed Palin won the debate by a wide margin, I didn't think so, but she held her own and looked intelligent, calm and well versed, Biden (who I like a lot) talked like a Senator and lectured more then spoke to the people and he unfortunately was wrong at least 10 times on his facts especially about McCain's voting record and even about the Constitution. although that will not be important to most of the public because they won't realize it nor probably care to research it.

And yes there were times when she didn't answer the question, but she knew it was a loaded question she couldn't answer without losing some points, so she danced away from it and said what she felt was important.

And complaining about that is like saying in a boxing match, that "Wait the other boxer wouldn't stand still and let my boxer use his best punch and instead he deflected it and danced away", so the complaints are useless and kind of cry baby like.

I thought it was one of the better debates I've seen and really laid to rest all the discussion about if she is qualified, she obviously is and McCain's choice for Vice President seems to have been a good one after all.

Hmmm.. The only polls I saw had Biden won @ 45%, Palin won @ 22%, and a tie @ 33%.

I think she "appeared" to do well, but that is only because our standards of Palin have dropped through the floor. She didn't make a complete fool of herself, so that "seems" like a win for her.

Here's my assessment of Palin in the debate:

http://www.adennak.com/archives/palinflow.gif

Hmmm.. The only polls I saw had Biden won @ 45%, Palin won @ 22%, and a tie @ 33%.

I think she "appeared" to do well, but that is only because our standards of Palin have dropped through the floor. She didn't make a complete fool of herself, so that "seems" like a win for her.

Here's my assessment of Palin in the debate:

http://www.adennak.com/archives/palinflow.gif

ya just made beer come out of me nose. It burns.:D you betcha.

Bless you guys. You are restoring my faith in an intelligent electorate.

Bless you guys. You are restoring my faith in an intelligent electorate.
Guys, All I see in Palin is that she is a HOT looking CHICK.....she's the best looking woman I have ever seen in Alaska....I've been to many parts of that state and she is by far the HOTTEST Chick in the state. Except the girls at the Great Alaskan Bush Company in Anchorage might recent that.

Is the Wild Cherry still there? How about the Thunderbird down in Ketchikan? BTW- Those hot chicks? Imports.

Guys, All I see in Palin is that she is a HOT looking CHICK.....she's the best looking woman I have ever seen in Alaska....I've been to many parts of that state and she is by far the HOTTEST Chick in the state. Except the girls at the Great Alaskan Bush Company in Anchorage might recent that.

Is the Wild Cherry still there? How about the Thunderbird down in Ketchikan? BTW- Those hot chicks? Imports.
Never got a chance to in at the Thunderbird, but I have been to the Wild Cherry, I least I thought that is what it was called..there was another one that was called The Glazier or something like that..

Guys, All I see in Palin is that she is a HOT looking CHICK.....she's the best looking woman I have ever seen in Alaska....I've been to many parts of that state and she is by far the HOTTEST Chick in the state. Except the girls at the Great Alaskan Bush Company in Anchorage might recent that.

Please you didn't make that comment did you now.. I don't see her being a the commander and chief, no way it's going to happen. She doesn't focus on what she tries to say. Never going to happen. Again this race is going to be nasty as it gets closer to Nov 11th 2008.

Again this race is going to be nasty as it gets closer to Nov 11th 2008.

:eyecrazy The 11th? Is that the date the Supreme Court will make it's determination on who won the election?

:eyecrazy The 11th? Is that the date the Supreme Court will make it's determination on who won the election?

:lol: If you go to the polls on the 11th Tippy I think you will find the lines will be very short.

:eyecrazy The 11th? Is that the date the Supreme Court will make it's determination on who won the election?

:lol::lol::lol:

:eyecrazy The 11th? Is that the date the Supreme Court will make it's determination on who won the election?
:lol::lol::lol::lol:

Okay wise guys it's on 8th so I was off by 3 days..

Okay wise guys it's on 8th so I was off by 3 days..

Try again. Third times a charm. :lol:

Okay wise guys it's on 8th so I was off by 3 days..
Show up on the 8th and you won't be voting this year.

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November 4th bro.

http://www.bestweekever.tv/bwe/images/2008/04/SH-november-calendar.jpg

November 4th bro.


Thanks for being honest! The poster above are for those of you who couldn't come out and say the date..

Sarah Palin Approves this Message:

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=EquHfzvwo8c

Good lord where are you going with that video...

Good lord where are you going with that video...
She's not the right vice president, but she is a Hot Chick...:hithere:

Sarah Palin Approves this Message:


You did what i didn't have the ballz to do.... :lol: :lol: :lol:

She's not the right vice president, but she is a Hot Chick...:hithere:

SP you really think she's so great and hot, guys look at her again. This one in your video is average.

I still don't understand why everyone thinks she is so "HOT". What kind of girls do you all have around you? Maybe I'm spoiled here in So Cal, but in Leykis terms she would be an L.A. 6 at best.

I still don't understand why everyone thinks she is so "HOT". What kind of girls do you all have around you? Maybe I'm spoiled here in So Cal, but in Leykis terms she would be an L.A. 6 at best.
It's the age generation...sobay....if you're comparing her to 20 & 30 year old girls no comparison, but 40 & 50 year olds there are comparisons.....:bowdown:

All and All I'm just ribbing everyone that thinks she should be our next vice president, it's all cool...and something to keep the conversation going...:thumbsup:.....if we all get too serious in this Forum..it won't be fun any more......:hithere:

I still don't understand why everyone thinks she is so "HOT". What kind of girls do you all have around you? Maybe I'm spoiled here in So Cal, but in Leykis terms she would be an L.A. 6 at best.


Sorry Sobay, but compared to Nancy Pelosi & Barbara Boxer from the great state of California she's a GODDESS. Just a trend with Republican women compared to the Democrat Party!!

Sorry Sobay, but compared to Nancy Pelosi & Barbara Boxer from the great state of California she's a GODDESS. Just a trend with Republican women compared to the Democrat Party!!

Dude, my hamster is attractive compared to Pelosi and Boxer, that's not saying much brother!

It's the age generation...sobay....if you're comparing her to 20 & 30 year old girls no comparison, but 40 & 50 year olds there are comparisons.....:bowdown:

All and All I'm just ribbing everyone that thinks she should be our next vice president, it's all cool...and something to keep the conversation going...:thumbsup:.....if we all get too serious in this Forum..it won't be fun any more......:hithere:

Point well taken, I gotcha! :hithere:

Old babes get real.. All she does is complain.. Don't let the digital effects on her face fool you guys fall for her..

Old babes get real.. All she does is complain.. Don't let the digital effects on her face fool you guys fall for her..
Tips..is the MediaMVP an add on to Windows Media Player? You can PM me to answer my question. Just curious, I'm not an expert when it comes to software.

And you're right about digital effects..but why not have fun with it.

If she was a little smarter, we probably wouldn't be so focused on her MILFness :what:

I think the real competition is who does a better 'Sarah' or who does a better 'Tina'....I can't take either very seriously. Wait a minute, one is not meant to be taken seriously!! Just got to remember which one....damn!

You would think that Presidential campaigns would cross reference their picks along side SNL stars to make sure there isn't anyone that could portray the pick as closely as Tina does...

You would think that Presidential campaigns would cross reference their picks along side SNL stars to make sure there isn't anyone that could portray the pick as closely as Tina does...

Good luck with that! I think SNL has the easier job of selecting a good impersonator over selecting a 'working politician'.

But that would mean mccain would have met her more than one time before selecting her as VP ;)

You would think that Presidential campaigns would cross reference their picks along side SNL stars to make sure there isn't anyone that could portray the pick as closely as Tina does...

But that would mean mccain would have met her more than one time before selecting her as VP ;)
mccain found her picture in a year book. And asked his hot, is she better looking than you, and his wife replied "no, she looks dumb, not very smart, so choose her for vp...Bill will keep her company in the white house anyway....just don't allow cigars in the WH, not good for my image":banana:

but that would mean mccain would have met her more than one time before selecting her as vp ;)

zing!!!

http://i388.photobucket.com/albums/oo321/sprkeng/Sarahvogue.jpg

Oh boy you guys are so funny with this SP woman... She is not cute but this chick is below is...for the OB ticket.. Our new Sen Defense

http://www.fastdates.com/Distributor/IL08.08Athena3in.jpg

:offtopic So I take no one here is voting for Bob Barr. :lol:

For me, it's a toss up between Barr and Nader. Barr has some pretty extreme social views though.

:offtopic So I take no one here is voting for Bob Barr. :lol:

Tips..is the MediaMVP an add on to Windows Media Player? You can PM me to answer my question. Just curious, I'm not an expert when it comes to software.

And you're right about digital effects..but why not have fun with it.

MediaMVP is a digital media player used over your network it comes with server software for up to 12 nodes (devices).... videos, music, photo, internet (radio, web browsing, weather) think of it as your DVR you get from your cable company. I don't use Windows Media Player, I use VLC instead.

MediaMVP is a digital media player used over your network it comes with server software for up to 12 nodes (devices).... videos, music, photo, internet (radio, web browsing, weather) think of it as your DVR you get from your cable company. I don't use Windows Media Player, I use VLC instead.
Sorry Tips..but that went over my head...so I download you're software onto my computer and I can switch between devices from a single window... and it acts as a server so I can upload and download pictures and videos and music...and it's free..

Oh boy you guys are so funny with this SP woman... She is not cute but this chick is below is...for the OB ticket.. Our new Sen Defense

http://www.fastdates.com/Distributor/IL08.08Athena3in.jpg
Something likes doesn't have to know politics, just show up..:bowdown:

here's her running mate...
http://i388.photobucket.com/albums/oo321/sprkeng/HiDefBarandGrill/Playmateoftheyear1969.jpg

Sorry Tips..but that went over my head...so I download you're software onto my computer and I can switch between devices from a single window... and it acts as a server so I can upload and download pictures and videos and music...and it's free..

No you have to buy this and connect it to your HDTV or SDTV. Download what you want off the internet in AVI or MP2 and watch it playback on MediaMVP over the network LAN to your TV. That's how it works.

http://www.hauppauge.com/html/images/mediamvp_diagram.gif

Sorry Tips..but that went over my head...so I download you're software onto my computer and I can switch between devices from a single window... and it acts as a server so I can upload and download pictures and videos and music...and it's free..

Remember though that this Media MVP Tipster is so hot about is only SD.

Remember though that this Media MVP Tipster is so hot about is only SD.

Well as you know most of everything is SD, HD will cost more to implement into 7x rooms and I only 4x HDTV and 3x SDTV in use. So for now until those Media MVP go I'll be using them. Quality is very good for SD as you know all HD sets can play S-Video 480i. I'll be doing a live video on Sharp next week you'll can see it in action. Right now that's it..

I am looking into this Midte HDMI Network Player to replace the Hauppauge MediaMVP as it can do HDMI and Component the one you swear has the best picture..

http://www.midte.com/English/Map/Product/MDT-PM368LS.jpg

No you have to buy this and connect it to your HDTV or SDTV. Download what you want off the internet in AVI or MP2 and watch it playback on MediaMVP over the network LAN to your TV. That's how it works.

http://www.hauppauge.com/html/images/mediamvp_diagram.gif
Ok I got it...and how much is the MediaMVP? Do we buy it from you?

Ok I got it...and how much is the MediaMVP? Do we buy it from you?

$89 and up use newegg, buy.com or hauppauge No I don't sell anything!

Heh...u r joking rite? Your local dog catcher has a better chance of winning than both of them put together. :lol: Its like when I see ppl downtown trying to get lyndon larouche elected ;)

For me, it's a toss up between Barr and Nader. Barr has some pretty extreme social views though.

Ol' Ross Perot does not look so bad right now! :D

Cygnus- Here's the idea: Obama will beat McCain in my state by double digits. If there is anything we need from our Politicians it's accountability. My vote will be a message vote, hopefully with some results. When I lived in Oregon, I voted for Perot. In that state, if you get above a certain percentage, you get funding for your party. I also voted for Nader back then and now, while still weak, the green party does have a presence in Oregon. Here in Washington, we could use a viable 3rd party. It's not about the best Candidate. If it was close, it would be Obama. I do, however, admire, Barr, Paul and Nader for their consistency.

Heh...u r joking rite? Your local dog catcher has a better chance of winning than both of them put together. :lol: Its like when I see ppl downtown trying to get lyndon larouche elected ;)

Cygnus- Here's the idea: Obama will beat McCain in my state by double digits. If there is anything we need from our Politicians it's accountability. My vote will be a message vote, hopefully with some results. When I lived in Oregon, I voted for Perot. In that state, if you get above a certain percentage, you get funding for your party. I also voted for Nader back then and now, while still weak, the green party does have a presence in Oregon. Here in Washington, we could use a viable 3rd party. It's not about the best Candidate. If it was close, it would be Obama. I do, however, admire, Barr, Paul and Nader for their consistency.

That reminded me: I too voted for Nader for the same reason in 2000. At the time I lived in New York, so my candidate of choice, Gore, was a shoe-in in my state. My vote for Nader was in hopes of his numbers getting high enough to qualify for federal matching funds. But it is just this strategic kind of voting that I also don't like, and would be eliminated by a national popular vote. You can be sure that while I lived in New York I voted for Nader, but had I been living in Ohio or Florida, I would have voted for Gore.

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Thats nice.......:lol: Anyway I'm voteing for McCain not SP.

Thats nice.......:lol: Anyway I'm voteing for McCain not SP.
But the McCain VP SP will be the head of the Senate...that''s very wrong...

But the McCain VP SP will be the head of the Senate...that''s very wrong...

Well, that's exaggerating a bit. She'd preside over the Senate. Her only constitutional duty and power would be to cast a tie breaking vote in the case the senate is equally split 50/50.

Thats nice.......:lol: Anyway I'm voteing for McCain not SP.

Factor in McCain's age and past health, folks.

Even if you're going McCain over Obama (no comment), I have no idea how any rational being could go Palin over Obama, which would be a real possibility with McCain's health.

Amazing, simply amazing...

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=jnxb09xCqys

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=jnxb09xCqys

Those people at those rally's shouting "Kill!", "terrorist!", "He's an Arab" , among other scary things, just proves to me that people are mating with vegetables.

Those people at those rally's shouting "Kill!", "terrorist!", "He's an Arab" , among other scary things, just proves to me that people are mating with vegetables.

Interestingly, a CNN reporter criticized McCain, saying he should have explained to the woman who called Obama an Arab at a McCain rally "...what if Obama was of Arab descent or even a Muslim? That does not mean he is not a good American."

But imagine trying to explain it to that woman. That would be like explaining a jump drive to a Neanderthal. I thought McCain did well to respond quickly and appropriately at a level (hopefully) she could understand.

[QUOTE=LordGamer;718962]Factor in McCain's age and past health, folks.

Even if you're going McCain over Obama (no comment), I have no idea how any rational being could go Palin over Obama, which would be a real possibility with McCain's health.

Amazing, simply amazing...



I don't descriminate whether by color or age or gender, I guess you do but that is your cross to bear. Odrama said today to a small business employee, Joe the plummer, That you need to spread the wealth by taxing the people who make more money. So he's not a socialist huh, if he is president it will be the begining of the end of capitolism and the true american way of life, That is the scarey part but I guess that is exactly what you want, MY MONEY.....:eek:

if he is president it will be the begining of the end of capitolism and the true american way of life

It's a shame you feel that way, but whatever, start the countdown to the end of true american life. :rolleyes:

AGain this has become a nasty race.. Tomorrows debate should be another good one.. I didn't care for the town hall meeting it was too short.

It wasn't really a town hall meeting. All of the questions were submitted ahead of time and Brokaw selected the questions. May as well just let him ask the questions as he only went for the ones he wanted anyway.

.........if he is president it will be the begining of the end of capitolism and the true american way of life, That is the scarey part but I guess that is exactly what you want, MY MONEY.....:eek:

I am not sure what's been going on the last several years is a ' true american way of life'..but I guess that depends on if you see the glass half full or half empty.

I think you meant capitalism, but come to think about it, 'capitolism' might be more accurate.

I don't descriminate whether by color or age or gender, I guess you do but that is your cross to bear.

So, you would have no problem with a 101 year old cancer patient being president? Please. Don't play the discrimination card with me, especially me.

When you are running the most powerful country in the world, age and health (you may recall I said health too) IS a factor. There is no way around it.

Every job has requirements and qualifications, period. Some people simply are not able to perform every task, it doesn't make them less of a human being, it's just a simple truth. At his age and past health issues (and who knows, possible current issues), his ability to fully perform his duties for a sustained period of time is an issue.

Calling someone or implying another person is a bigot is dangerous territory. And while we're on the matter, I'm willing to bet the people that will not vote Obama soley based on the color of his skin, is far greater than those that wouldn't vote for McCain due to his age. I'm glad you do not discriminate, but you're time will be better spent defending Obama's race than McCain's age.

Ok enough with the McCain/Obama argument, this is a Palin thread...

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So, you would have no problem with a 101 year old cancer patient being president? Please. Don't play the discrimination card with me, especially me.

When you are running the most powerful country in the world, age and health (you may recall I said health too) IS a factor. There is no way around it.

Every job has requirements and qualifications, period. Some people simply are not able to perform every task, it doesn't make them less of a human being, it's just a simple truth. At his age and past health issues (and who knows, possible current issues), his ability to fully perform his duties for a sustained period of time is an issue.



Calling someone or implying another person is a bigot is dangerous territory. And while we're on the matter, I'm willing to bet the people that will not vote Obama soley based on the color of his skin, is far greater than those that wouldn't vote for McCain due to his age. I'm glad you do not discriminate, but you're time will be better spent defending Obama's race than McCain's age.

Don't forget his swollen left gland too... :hithere:

Ok enough with the McCain/Obama argument, this is a Palin thread...

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Please she looks like a school teacher..

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you got to much time on your hands, what would Tom Cruse say about that his videos would drop in value..:hithere:

you got to much time on your hands, what would Tom Cruse say about that his videos would drop in value..:hithere:
LOL...Tom would bring it up at his Scientology meeting...

So, you would have no problem with a 101 year old cancer patient being president? Please. Don't play the discrimination card with me, especially me.

When you are running the most powerful country in the world, age and health (you may recall I said health too) IS a factor. There is no way around it.

Every job has requirements and qualifications, period. Some people simply are not able to perform every task, it doesn't make them less of a human being, it's just a simple truth. At his age and past health issues (and who knows, possible current issues), his ability to fully perform his duties for a sustained period of time is an issue.

Calling someone or implying another person is a bigot is dangerous territory. And while we're on the matter, I'm willing to bet the people that will not vote Obama soley based on the color of his skin, is far greater than those that wouldn't vote for McCain due to his age. I'm glad you do not discriminate, but you're time will be better spent defending Obama's race than McCain's age.

Sorry but this statement just proves what was obvious to all,except you ofcourse, You are what you are and should just deal with it.:crying:

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He is just a fraud........http://ssomail.charter.net/do/redirect?url=http%253A%252F%252Fwww.youtube.com%25 2Fwatch%253Fv%253DxyspCRmJv7w

Of all 4 candidates of both campaigns, Palin may well be the one who has the least to lose, and may actually gain from having been in the limelight.

Of all 4 candidates of both campaigns, Palin may well be the one who has the least to lose, and may actually gain from having been in the limelight.

Gosh I don't know about that... the Republicans are leading a mutiny against her as we speak. You wouldn't know unless you are plugged into left wing media sources, because they're the only ones who will report on it. She's been called a "Diva" who doesn't take orders and a "whack job" by McCain campaign officials lately. They're already laying the blame of their failed campaign on Sarah Palin. Next, they will blame McCain for picking Palin, but ultimately, Palin is the scapegoat.

Gosh I don't know about that... the Republicans are leading a mutiny against her as we speak. You wouldn't know unless you are plugged into left wing media sources, because they're the only ones who will report on it. She's been called a "Diva" who doesn't take orders and a "whack job" by McCain campaign officials lately. They're already laying the blame of their failed campaign on Sarah Palin. Next, they will blame McCain for picking Palin, but ultimately, Palin is the scapegoat.

Actually, I head a different reasoning: that Palin has realized McCains poorer and poorer chances of getting elected, and had struck out on her own, doing what is best for her 4 to 8 years down the road rather than stick with the campaign. Because of this abandonmnet, the McCain campaign is lashing out at her.

Gosh I don't know about that... the Republicans are leading a mutiny against her as we speak. You wouldn't know unless you are plugged into left wing media sources, because they're the only ones who will report on it. She's been called a "Diva" who doesn't take orders and a "whack job" by McCain campaign officials lately. They're already laying the blame of their failed campaign on Sarah Palin. Next, they will blame McCain for picking Palin, but ultimately, Palin is the scapegoat.

I don't think making her the scapegoat is going to work...(like the other failed tactics of the McCain campaign managers)...
most people are smart enough to realize she was chosen, she did not volunteer. And the in-fighting within the campaign only helps her in the long run.

In fact, she may become even more popular after the election. I would go so far to say that many will see her more of a victim after the election, than a pariah, that is if McCain loses. You don't have to look around too long to see 'has-beens' and 'losers' from the past show up anew on the political scene. Happens all the time.

Actually, I head a different reasoning: that Palin has realized McCains poorer and poorer chances of getting elected, and had struck out on her own, doing what is best for her 4 to 8 years down the road rather than stick with the campaign. Because of this abandonmnet, the McCain campaign is lashing out at her.

Sarah Palin has a snowball's chance in hell of even getting the nomination in 4 or 8 years.

I'd wager that she won't be re-elected as Governor.

Sarah Palin has a snowball's chance in hell of even getting the nomination in 4 or 8 years.

I'd wager that she won't be re-elected as Governor.

An 80% approval rating in her home state. I bet she would.

Sarah Palin has a snowball's chance in hell of even getting the nomination in 4 or 8 years.

I'd wager that she won't be re-elected as Governor.

I don't think she's thinking nomination. I think she's thinking Chairman of the Republican Party.

I don't think she's thinking nomination. I think she's thinking Chairman of the Republican Party.

She's a woman,,,,,who in the hell know's what she be thinking? The republican party has sowed (soiled) it's oats by keeping Bush & Co. in office. This Tuesday will be a day for voters to shout loudly that we dissapprove of what they have been doing. This also goes for the democrats that "believe" it's okay for them to stuff their coffers at the taxpayers expense. Our congress voted for a huge bailout - it's up to us to make sure the money is spent wisely. Our politicians, bankers, and whomever think they have a right to spoil any American dream should be banished,,,,,,banished to an afternoon of imbication with yours truly. A drunken sot tends to speak with straight tongue. And me would be sure to share the tales with me fine bretheren on the HDF and not the sorry lot on FAUX news.

She's a woman,,,,,who in the hell know's what she be thinking? The republican party has sowed (soiled) it's oats by keeping Bush & Co. in office. This Tuesday will be a day for voters to shout loudly that we dissapprove of what they have been doing. This also goes for the democrats that "believe" it's okay for them to stuff their coffers at the taxpayers expense. Our congress voted for a huge bailout - it's up to us to make sure the money is spent wisely. Our politicians, bankers, and whomever think they have a right to spoil any American dream should be banished,,,,,,banished to an afternoon of imbication with yours truly. A drunken sot tends to speak with straight tongue. And me would be sure to share the tales with me fine bretheren on the HDF and not the sorry lot on FAUX news.

Very well said, I like that!
Thank You! :yippee:

An 80% approval rating in her home state. I bet she would.

Well, unfortunately her approval ratings have dropped quite a bit as of late in Alaska. I doubt Fox News has been reporting much on that...