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Like Comedies and Dramas? Turns out most people like War and Sci-Fi more.

HD Goofnut
02-22-2008, 10:10 AM
http://news.yahoo.com/s/nm/20080222/en_nm/survey_dc
Excellent read.

War epic tops all-time favorite film survey 1 hour, 17 minutes ago



NEW YORK (Reuters) - They may be largely missing from this year's roster of best-film Oscar contenders, but a new U.S. survey shows war and sci-fi epics top the list of all-time favorite movies.

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Nearly 70 years after it was made, the Civil War classic "Gone with the Wind" ranked No. 1, just ahead of science-fiction space adventure "Star Wars," in the Harris poll of people's favorite films that stand the test of time.

Coming in third was the sweeping Oscar-winning World War II romance "Casablanca," followed by fantasy film "The Lord of the Rings" in the online January poll of 2,279 U.S. adults.

Harris noted the gender and generational differences among the results with men and younger people such as Generation X favoring "Star Wars" and women and older baby boomers preferring "Gone With the Wind."

"Gone With The Wind" won eight Oscars in 1939, including best picture and best actress for Vivien Leigh. In 1977 "Star Wars" failed to win a best picture Oscar, losing out to Woody Allen's "Annie Hall."

Rounding out the top ten in the survey were musicals "The Sound of Music" and "The Wizard of Oz" at Nos. 5 and 6, respectively, followed by "The Notebook" at No. 7 and "Forrest Gump" in eighth place. Tied for No. 9 was "The Princess Bride" and "The Godfather" starring Al Pacino.

One wartime epic film, "Atonement," did make it into the nominees circle of this year's Oscar race for best picture. It will be competing with the gritty chase movie "No Country For Old Men," teen pregnancy comedy "Juno," the period oil drama "There Will Be Blood" and legal thriller "Michael Clayton."

Mase
02-22-2008, 10:24 AM
The only real thing I took away from the article was this

online January poll of 2,279 U.S. adults

Dare
02-22-2008, 11:39 AM
I took this away...

In 1977 "Star Wars" failed to win a best picture Oscar, losing out to Woody Allen's "Annie Hall."

That just goes to show that the Academy is not made up of humans like us. They are space aliens or something.

I hope the article isn't trying to portray Casablanca as a war film, or Lord of the Rings as a sci-fi epic.

HD Goofnut
02-22-2008, 11:42 AM
I took this away...



That just goes to show that the Academy is not made up of humans like us. They are space aliens or something.

The best example of the stupidity of the Academy was the awards in 1999 for the 1998 year. Saving Private Ryan wins Best Director and then they give the Best Picture award to that Shakespeare in Love debacle. I don't think I will ever get over that because I watched both and Saving Private Ryan was a far more superior picture than Shakespeare in Love.

iDarren
02-22-2008, 11:43 AM
I hope the article isn't trying to portray Casablanca as a war film, or Lord of the Rings as a sci-fi epic.

I believe they are :rolleyes:

iDarren
02-22-2008, 11:46 AM
The best example of the stupidity of the Academy was the awards in 1999 for the 1998 year. Saving Private Ryan wins Best Director and then they give the Best Picture award to that Shakespeare and Love debacle. I don't think I will ever get over that because I watched both and Saving Private Ryan was a far more superior picture than Shakespeare and Love.

Don't they do stuff like that almost EVERY YEAR?

Mase
02-22-2008, 11:53 AM
This is an online of less than 3,000 adults.. Its not exactly the end all of Polls, maybe if they had the collective opinions of 300,000 people from varying sites it would be meaningful to some degree..

Think about it, if you take a Poll on this site of how many people love HDTVs the poll will be a bit biased even with 5k plus votes.. Your taking votes from people on an Hi Def website of course your gonna get a skewed result.. Now if you take the same Poll but go to 10 different forums or websites that vary in nature you can expect broader results..

BNCR
02-22-2008, 01:23 PM
Don't they do stuff like that almost EVERY YEAR?

http://www.ew.com/ew/gallery/0,,20007870_20164474_20179544,00.html

The snubs are perpetual. The voting procedures are bizarre. Voting breaks down to 16 categories with different voting eligibility for each member.

There are a little over 5000 voting members, and 25% are actors.

Dare
02-22-2008, 02:03 PM
The best example of the stupidity of the Academy was the awards in 1999 for the 1998 year. Saving Private Ryan wins Best Director and then they give the Best Picture award to that Shakespeare in Love debacle. I don't think I will ever get over that because I watched both and Saving Private Ryan was a far more superior picture than Shakespeare in Love.

Yeah, I remember that. Just stick a mustache on Gwenyth Paltrow and she is totally unrecognizable. In fact, she looks like a man. :lol: :rolleyes: That's like putting lipstick on Michael Clarke Duncan and everyone thinks he's a hot chick. And to top it all off, it was a pretty mediocre romcom anyway.

Dare
02-22-2008, 02:09 PM
I believe they are :rolleyes:

Your definitions are pretty liberal. Casablanca is as much of a war film as The Sound of Music. When I think war film, I think Saving Private Ryan, or Rambo, or Midway, or Platoon, or something like that. I might even go a little afield and put Three Kings and Kelly's Heroes in that category. But Casablanca? Casablanca is a romantic drama, and borderline spy film. It doesn't qualify as war at all.

And um... I don't think Lord of the Rings is sci-fi. :what:

HD Goofnut
02-22-2008, 03:01 PM
Your definitions are pretty liberal. Casablanca is as much of a war film as The Sound of Music. When I think war film, I think Saving Private Ryan, or Rambo, or Midway, or Platoon, or something like that. I might even go a little afield and put Three Kings and Kelly's Heroes in that category. But Casablanca? Casablanca is a romantic drama, and borderline spy film. It doesn't qualify as war at all.

And um... I don't think Lord of the Rings is sci-fi. :what:

I think Casablanca falls into what is called a War Drama because it is set amid World War II. Most critics group Sci-Fi and Fantasy as one category because they are so few fantasty films. This would explain why Lord of the Rings received that label.

mswoods1
02-22-2008, 03:07 PM
I took this away...



That just goes to show that the Academy is not made up of humans like us. They are space aliens or something.


Huh? I agree Star Wars was great... but Annie Hall is a classic in its own right. It's not like Shakespeare in Love over Saving Private Ryan.

BNCR
02-22-2008, 03:24 PM
Huh? I agree Star Wars was great... but Annie Hall is a classic in its own right. It's not like Shakespeare in Love over Saving Private Ryan.

Marshall McLuhan
I hear-I heard what you were saying.
You-you know nothing of my work. You
mean my whole fallacy is wrong. How you
ever got to teach a course in anything is
totally amazing.



I am not a big Woody Allen fan but this dialog changed my life.

Dare
02-22-2008, 04:36 PM
There's no accounting for taste. hehe

iDarren
02-22-2008, 09:17 PM
Your definitions are pretty liberal. Casablanca is as much of a war film as The Sound of Music. When I think war film, I think Saving Private Ryan, or Rambo, or Midway, or Platoon, or something like that. I might even go a little afield and put Three Kings and Kelly's Heroes in that category. But Casablanca? Casablanca is a romantic drama, and borderline spy film. It doesn't qualify as war at all.

And um... I don't think Lord of the Rings is sci-fi. :what:


No, I meant I believe they are (with a rolls eyes icon :rolleyes: ), meaning I agree with you and I think they are wrong :-)

HiramAbiff
02-22-2008, 09:25 PM
The only real thing I took away from the article was this

Ditto. Very few polls of favorite films are conducted scientifically or anything resembling scientifically. Polls of critics and directors, such as the Sight and Sound poll or other similar polls, are more reliable. Though they, of course, are gauging critics and directors and not the general public.

FWIW, I'm not a Woody Allen fan (in fact I think he's morally reprehensible) but I liked Annie Hall. It wasn't movie-of-the-year quality, but very few Best Picture winners are. Reading the list of past Best Picture Oscars makes you think these things are chosen purely at random, because so many of them are so forgettable, while other, far better, much more memorable films from those years were snubbed or entirely overlooked. This becomes more true the farther you move away from Hollywood's Golden Age.





















...."that must be one heck of a hem"....

Dare
02-23-2008, 07:25 AM
No, I meant I believe they are (with a rolls eyes icon :rolleyes: ), meaning I agree with you and I think they are wrong :-)

Oh, sorry. I misunderstood your irony. :D

kamspy
02-23-2008, 01:55 PM
This has to be the worst year in recent memory for the best picture nominees. That's saying a lot, they're usually pretty bad, this year I'm just shocked.

To be fair I haven't seen No Country for Old Men. Michael Clayton put me to sleep, literally. Juno was good, but not "best picture" good.

BNCR
02-23-2008, 02:04 PM
This has to be the worst year in recent memory for the best picture nominees. That's saying a lot, they're usually pretty bad, this year I'm just shocked.

To be fair I haven't seen No Country for Old Men. Michael Clayton put me to sleep, literally. Juno was good, but not "best picture" good.

This year SMOKES last year.

Best motion picture of the year 2006

“Babel” (Paramount and Paramount Vantage)

“The Departed” (Warner Bros.)

“Letters from Iwo Jima” (Warner Bros.)

“Little Miss Sunshine” (Fox Searchlight)

“The Queen” (Miramax, Pathé and Granada)


"There Will Be Blood" and "No Country for Old Men" are both awesome FIlms IMHO>

Dare
02-23-2008, 02:58 PM
This has to be the worst year in recent memory for the best picture nominees. That's saying a lot, they're usually pretty bad, this year I'm just shocked.

To be fair I haven't seen No Country for Old Men. Michael Clayton put me to sleep, literally. Juno was good, but not "best picture" good.

I agree. I had to google this year's nominees, because I couldn't imagine what might be on that list.

Atonement, Juno, Michael Clayton, No Country for Old Men, There Will Be Blood.

I've seen all except Atonenent. The trailer made it look like an endurance contest, like the ultimate and most serious of chick flicks. My old girlfriend called them 'chairsliders'. Hmm... so what's in it for me?

No Country for Old Men was a monumental waste of time. I really liked Michael Clayton, but it was just two hours of talking heads. There Will Be Blood was a pretty intense play, but I wouldn't be interested in seeing it again. It was good once. Juno was excellent though. Easily the best on the list, which means No Country for Old Men will win.

I think 3:10 to Yuma, Dan in Real Life, Gone Baby Gone, Stardust, Rescue Dawn, Bridge to Terabithia, 300, and Zodiac deserve to be nominated more than anything else they chose, except Juno. The nominee list they came up with makes a really good case that the academy is made up of space aliens. And they wonder why the ratings for the oscars is falling.

macmarkus
02-23-2008, 03:53 PM
I personally can't believe anyone watches any of the so called awards shows:what: ....period:banghead: . Who's to say what is the best of anything in entertainment ! Gimme a break !:rolleyes: The last awards show I saw "Jethro Tull" won a grammy for best....wait for it....Heavy Metal album of the year ! :eek: Ha Ha !:lol: Nuff said :p

As has been said, it's more about taste, or preference really. I thought films such as "Everythings Is Illuminated" and "Snow Cake" and more recently "Babel" where fantastic movies. That's not to say I didn't enjoy "Super Bad" or "Hot Fuzz", and "Juno" (though the character's played by Jason Bateman and Jennifer Gardner where predictible and stereotypical, :zzz which I hate. My wife & I where 17 when our son was born and Yes we are still in love 22yrs. later...I digress, that twist almost ruined the film for me) they are all very good films IMHO.:thumbsup:

I guess for me, it's like in music comparing Machinehead's 2007 release "The Blackening" to Rihanna's 2007 release "Good Girl Gone Bad". They both have done very well in their genre. (yes, I own both, ha ha !:o :lol: ) In my opinion there are far too many genre's and sub-genre's it's stupid !;) :thatsit

As a novice musician and a "music" fan (well, with the exception of country :p ) I don't believe there is a magic formula for what's "good". We all should realize that. When something peaks my interest, I usually don't analyze it too much. I'm comfortable in my own skin, so I don't explain my taste to people much, I don't think I could anyway, It's not an itellectual thingy really.:what: I call it "My Inner Glow".:banana: :banana:


...So the award show's will go on, and get lot's of viewer's I expect, but I will not be one of them. I'll never rely on anyone to tell me what was the best (nor will I debate it...to each there own :) ) of this or that in 2007, or 1987, '77, '67 etc. for that matter...everyone wants a beat they can drum to ! It's all good....to someone.:bowdown: :yippee: :2cents

peace :thumbsup:

macmarkus :)

edders
02-23-2008, 04:36 PM
Q: Ma'am what kind of music do you usually have here?
a: Why we have BOTH kinds of music here, Country AAANNNNDDDDD Western!

kamspy
02-23-2008, 05:39 PM
....I think 3:10 to Yuma, Dan in Real Life, Gone Baby Gone, Stardust, Rescue Dawn, Bridge to Terabithia, 300, and Zodiac deserve to be nominated more than anything else they chose, except Juno. The nominee list they came up with makes a really good case that the academy is made up of space aliens. And they wonder why the ratings for the oscars is falling.

I'd go:

3:10 to Yuma
Gone Baby Gone
Rescue Dawn
American Gangster
Eastern Promises

In no specific order.

hdtvjunkie
02-23-2008, 06:47 PM
I personally can't believe anyone watches any of the so called awards shows:what: ....period:banghead: . Who's to say what is the best of anything in entertainment ! Gimme a break !:rolleyes: The last awards show I saw "Jethro Tull" won a grammy for best....wait for it....Heavy Metal album of the year ! :eek: Ha Ha !:lol: Nuff said :p

As has been said, it's more about taste, or preference really. I thought films such as "Everythings Is Illuminated" and "Snow Cake" and more recently "Babel" where fantastic movies. That's not to say I didn't enjoy "Super Bad" or "Hot Fuzz", and "Juno" (though the character's played by Jason Bateman and Jennifer Gardner where predictible and stereotypical, :zzz which I hate. My wife & I where 17 when our son was born and Yes we are still in love 22yrs. later...I digress, that twist almost ruined the film for me) they are all very good films IMHO.:thumbsup:

I guess for me, it's like in music comparing Machinehead's 2007 release "The Blackening" to Rihanna's 2007 release "Good Girl Gone Bad". They both have done very well in their genre. (yes, I own both, ha ha !:o :lol: ) In my opinion there are far too many genre's and sub-genre's it's stupid !;) :thatsit

As a novice musician and a "music" fan (well, with the exception of country :p ) I don't believe there is a magic formula for what's "good". We all should realize that. When something peaks my interest, I usually don't analyze it too much. I'm comfortable in my own skin, so I don't explain my taste to people much, I don't think I could anyway, It's not an itellectual thingy really.:what: I call it "My Inner Glow".:banana: :banana:


...So the award show's will go on, and get lot's of viewer's I expect, but I will not be one of them. I'll never rely on anyone to tell me what was the best (nor will I debate it...to each there own :) ) of this or that in 2007, or 1987, '77, '67 etc. for that matter...everyone wants a beat they can drum to ! It's all good....to someone.:bowdown: :yippee: :2cents

peace :thumbsup:

macmarkus :)I remember when Jethro Tull won Heavy Metal album award. They hadn't even released an album in years. The funny part was that they beat out Metallica.

Lee Stewart
02-23-2008, 07:32 PM
Seems the survey doesn't jive with the money people have spent going to the movies:

http://www.imdb.com/boxoffice/alltimegross

macmarkus
02-24-2008, 12:56 AM
Yup,

they were awarded the grammy over Metallica's 1988 release..."And Justice For All" album. Tull won it for indeed what they had just released in '88 "Crest of a Knave". I specifically watched to see them perform "One" from said album, and to watch them accept the award for best metal performance, everyone expected it. When Alice Cooper and Lita Ford announced, "and the award goes to Jethro Tull", everyone in the audience and tv land I think where stunned. As a result seperate awards for "Best Hard Rock Performance" and "Best Metal Performance" where introduced in 1990. In 2007 it was named one of the 10 biggest upsets in Grammy history.:eek: :lol:

That's my point I guess. I don't know how they decide which award goes to what film etc. or what should go to whom.:confused: :banghead:

Anyway, I don't care much about those things, I never really did. I was just a huge Tallica fan then, hell I still am, just not obsessed like I was in the 80's as a youngster, ha ha !:D :banghead:

That's it for me...:2cents :cool:

peace :thumbsup:

macmarkus :)

Joe_news
02-24-2008, 01:42 AM
http://news.yahoo.com/s/nm/20080222/en_nm/survey_dc
Excellent read.

Lame article. Not only is it a weak online pool of a little over 2,000; it makes no mention to the fact that box office sales of comedies are usually higher then drama, adventure (and without a about sci-fi films) overall.

Dare
02-24-2008, 03:01 AM
The real reason they do award shows is as publicity stunts, to advertise the movies and records that they nominate. You didn't think they gave awards as recognitions of merit, did you?

Nikopol
02-24-2008, 04:29 AM
Q: Ma'am what kind of music do you usually have here?
a: Why we have BOTH kinds of music here, Country AAANNNNDDDDD Western!

:thumbsup:

Four fried chickens and a Coke.
And some dry white toast please.

/he says listening to the Be Good Tanyas :D

cbcdesign
02-24-2008, 07:01 AM
Don't they do stuff like that almost EVERY YEAR?

Yes they do. I have never forgotten the year when Gladiator won Best Picture but Ridley Scott was not given Best Director and it was clear from the look on his face that he was very dissapointed. Absolutely ludicrous when you think about it. How can the best film not have the best director?

Dare
02-24-2008, 11:47 AM
Maybe he was a jerk on the set. :D