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Can I split an HD Signal from DirecTV?

X-Dawg
01-06-2008, 04:44 PM
I have a HD TV with DirecTv on it, I wanna run a slave line to another TV and use the infared Diamonds to change channels - is this possible?

Eddie501
01-06-2008, 04:50 PM
Yup, I have a similar setup. My living room and bedroom TV's are opposite sides of the same wall. So I feed a second set of outputs to the bedroom TV. Of course they have to view the same channels.

If you're using one of the newer HR20 or HR21 remotes you can even configure them for RF so you won't need the diamonds.

X-Dawg
01-06-2008, 05:07 PM
Yup, I have a similar setup. My living room and bedroom TV's are opposite sides of the same wall. So I feed a second set of outputs to the bedroom TV. Of course they have to view the same channels.

If you're using one of the newer HR20 or HR21 remotes you can even configure them for RF so you won't need the diamonds.

So you don't use a splitter? just run them from the box? how's the PQ on both TV's any loss of HD beauty?

rbinck
01-06-2008, 05:14 PM
How are you wiring the TVs? HDMI? Component?

X-Dawg
01-06-2008, 05:23 PM
How are you wiring the TVs? HDMI? Component?

Well. that's a good question - I was thinking Coax from the splitter to the back of the 2nd Tv and use the diamonds?No?

DtvRep07
01-06-2008, 07:01 PM
Well. that's a good question - I was thinking Coax from the splitter to the back of the 2nd Tv and use the diamonds?No?

There are no coax outputs on the hd receiver.

Marty0503
01-06-2008, 08:34 PM
You don't need a splitter. All the outputs on the back of your box are active, use HDMI for one tv and component for the other. There will be no signal loss at reasonable distances.

alpine740
01-07-2008, 05:24 PM
I am running three tv's off of one H21 receiver; using hdmi, component, and composite. All the ports are active simultaneously.

tahoeone
01-10-2008, 08:00 AM
I you want to run all HD TV's you can get a distribution box that will feed the signal to more than one TV, just like they do at Best Buy, etc.

AlexK
01-11-2008, 05:00 AM
I am running three tv's off of one H21 receiver; using hdmi, component, and composite. All the ports are active simultaneously.

How do you split and share the audio when using component/composite?

mcbeevee
01-11-2008, 05:32 AM
How do you split and share the audio when using component/composite?
You can use an RCA splitter or adapter like this:

http://images.monoprice.com/productmediumimages/20501.jpg

mcbeevee
01-11-2008, 06:02 AM
Well. that's a good question - I was thinking Coax from the splitter to the back of the 2nd Tv and use the diamonds?No?
You can still send a SD signal via coax to a 2nd tv. Just need an RF modulator to convert one of the composite outputs to coax.

:)

bbash
01-15-2008, 08:01 PM
I'm sorry to join the thread late but the I am new to all of this and installer just left and I have problem related to this thread. We put in a HDDVR box to replace an older DTV nonHD DVR. We mirrored the old receiver to a TV in an adjoining room with a coax splitter and used an RF remote. Now I have an HD receiver without the audio out option - just HDMI and the component hook-ups. Based on what I have gleaned from this and other threads it is possible to mirror the receiver, I just am new to all his and was hoping someone would be kind enough to walk me through it. Should I use the HDMI to hook into my HD TV and somehow use the component option to go back to the coax jack for my old SD TV. Or should I use the component input option to the new HD TV and somehow use the HDMI option (via a converter of some type?) to go back to the SD TV. Will the RF modulator from Radio Shack do the trick? Thanks in advance for your responses and help.

AlexK
01-16-2008, 05:11 AM
I'm sorry to join the thread late but the I am new to all of this and installer just left and I have problem related to this thread. We put in a HDDVR box to replace an older DTV nonHD DVR. We mirrored the old receiver to a TV in an adjoining room with a coax splitter and used an RF remote. Now I have an HD receiver without the audio out option - just HDMI and the component hook-ups. Based on what I have gleaned from this and other threads it is possible to mirror the receiver, I just am new to all his and was hoping someone would be kind enough to walk me through it. Should I use the HDMI to hook into my HD TV and somehow use the component option to go back to the coax jack for my old SD TV. Or should I use the component input option to the new HD TV and somehow use the HDMI option (via a converter of some type?) to go back to the SD TV. Will the RF modulator from Radio Shack do the trick? Thanks in advance for your responses and help.

I had pretty much the same situation and researched my BRAINS out! On the advice from this community of friendly folks I went to Radio Shack and got an RF modulator. This converts the COMPOSITE connection set on your HD receiver (DVR notwithstanding) to coax. I really wanted something to somehow convert the COMPONENT outputs, but resigned myself to the lower quality composite set up (for now ...)The REALLY interesting part of this whole thing is - when I actually went to install the converter I noticed that the DTV installer had hooked up the COMPONENT outputs on the box to my HDTV ready TV AS WELL AS the HDMI (who knows why <sigh>) anyway I unplugged that cable set from the TV and connected it to the RF Converter - VOILE!! Here is what I was looking for all along! I had converted the COMPONENT output to coax! Everything (high quality video AND stereo sound) is working nicely! Hope this helps. (I am a 'newbie' too!)

mcbeevee
01-16-2008, 05:22 AM
Should I use the HDMI to hook into my HD TV and somehow use the component option to go back to the coax jack for my old SD TV.

I think you are confusing Component and Composite. Component is video only (red/blue/green) and Composite is video/audio (yellow/red/white). To send a second signal to a SDtv, you just feed a composite output to an RF modulator, then use coax from the RF modulator to the 2nd SDtv.

Here is what I was looking for all along! I had converted the COMPONENT output to coax! Everything (high quality video AND stereo sound) is working nicely! Hope this helps. (I am a 'newbie' too!)
There is no way you could get audio by plugging a Component cable to an RF modulator (and the video would only be one color). The Component output (red/blue/green) is video only. The RF modulator is looking for 1 video (yellow) and 2 audio (red/white) inputs. You must have used a Composite output (yellow/red/white).

:)

bbash
01-16-2008, 08:39 AM
I'm off to Radio Shack - Thanks for your help

SportsHDnut
01-16-2008, 08:42 AM
Or everyone can pay the extra $5 a month, and have their own directv box. Kind of nice idea actually... This way you can have the best possible signal for each TV

bbash
01-16-2008, 03:36 PM
RF Modulator works great. Thanks very much. Now my issue is there is no RF Remote plug-in on the new HD box for the antenna. I just want to change the channels from the other room. Any way around this? Thanks again for all your help.

I would just pop for the extra box but it is in our small kitchen and we really don't have room. Not really trying to save a buck, just trying to get back what we had pre-HD.

bbash
01-16-2008, 05:53 PM
I got the RF up and running - thanks again for the help

B&G Installs
01-16-2008, 06:03 PM
I might be late on this, I only scanned the thread, but you can not run any splitters or diplexers with the HD. If you do you will not get all of your HD channels, in fact you might not get any, also make sure you do have BBC attached to the receiver.

Marty0503
01-16-2008, 06:42 PM
RF Modulator works great. Thanks very much. Now my issue is there is no RF Remote plug-in on the new HD box for the antenna. I just want to change the channels from the other room. Any way around this? Thanks again for all your help.

I would just pop for the extra box but it is in our small kitchen and we really don't have room. Not really trying to save a buck, just trying to get back what we had pre-HD.

The box with no plug on the back for a rf antenna likely has a rf antenna built in to it already. My H21 HD box is like this, you don't need an external antenna.

mcbeevee
01-17-2008, 05:55 AM
I might be late on this, I only scanned the thread, but you can not run any splitters or diplexers with the HD. If you do you will not get all of your HD channels, in fact you might not get any, also make sure you do have BBC attached to the receiver.
I'm sure the poster was referring to splitting output signals from the HD box to feed a 2nd tv, which is OK. It is not OK to split the input coax cables to the HD box.

:)

Snazel
01-17-2008, 02:06 PM
Ok, I'm trying to get my info straight. If I have an HD box in my main room, and I want to run a SD signal to a TV in another room, I can run composite out (red/white/yellow) from the actual HD box, into an RF modulator, and run that coax out signal to my SD tv? If that is correct, here are my two questions:

1) Will there be any loss in picture quality on the HDTV (specifically the HD channels) due to two outputs being used on the receiver? (HDMI and Composite)

2) The RF modulator and HD receiver will be in my main HDTV room. I have one wall separating it to my SDTV room. Will the remote be able to reach the receiver in the HDTV room when I just want to watch std. cable in the other room? Does the RF modulator act as an antenna? Would I be better off running ____ feet of composite cable from the receiver so that I can have the RF modulator in the SD room?

Marty0503
01-17-2008, 02:18 PM
Ok, I'm trying to get my info straight. If I have an HD box in my main room, and I want to run a SD signal to a TV in another room, I can run composite out (red/white/yellow) from the actual HD box, into an RF modulator, and run that coax out signal to my SD tv? If that is correct, here are my two questions:

1) Will there be any loss in picture quality on the HDTV (specifically the HD channels) due to two outputs being used on the receiver? (HDMI and Composite)

2) The RF modulator and HD receiver will be in my main HDTV room. I have one wall separating it to my SDTV room. Will the remote be able to reach the receiver in the HDTV room when I just want to watch std. cable in the other room? Does the RF modulator act as an antenna? Would I be better off running ____ feet of composite cable from the receiver so that I can have the RF modulator in the SD room?

The best thing to do in that situation is to run composite from the HD box straight into the tv in the other room. The only reason you would need a rf modulator is if the 2nd tv had no composite inputs, and if that is the case it must be an old one.

Using 2 outputs on your HD box should have no affect on the pq of your HDTV.

Unless you have a rf remote it will not work in the other room. You can get a rf remote from DirecTV's website for $25. As far as I know the modulator will not also act as an antenna for the rf remote, you will need to order an antenna with the remote for $5, unless you have the HD box with the built in rf antenna. The way to find this out is to look on the back of the box, if there isn't any plug for a rf antenna then it is already built in and you don't need it.

Hope this helps! :hithere:

mcbeevee
01-17-2008, 03:15 PM
1) Will there be any loss in picture quality on the HDTV
2) Will the remote be able to reach the receiver in the HDTV room when I just want to watch std. cable in the other room?
1- No loss in quality. I'm using an RF modulator and a coax splitter to feed 2 sdtv's via coax, and the picture looks great. I used RG6 coax for the feeds.

2- If you have an RF capable remote, you can control the receiver from another room. If there is an FCC sticker on the back of the remote, it is RF capable.

:)

Marty0503
01-17-2008, 08:04 PM
Anyone else hear an echo? ;)

mcbeevee
01-18-2008, 06:42 AM
Anyone else hear an echo? ;)
Not an echo...trying to save the poster money. Coax cable is cheaper than composite, and no need to buy a new RF remote if they already have one (but don't know it).

:)

definition05
01-18-2008, 07:47 AM
I might be late on this, I only scanned the thread, but you can not run any splitters or diplexers with the HD. If you do you will not get all of your HD channels, in fact you might not get any, also make sure you do have BBC attached to the receiver.

Actually you can (use diplexers). Mine works perfect.

Superman
01-24-2008, 08:44 AM
Am I to understand there is no way to split the signal before it goes to the receiver? I'm adding a TV to my bedroom and running component or HDMI across the house just isnt feasible.

mcbeevee
01-24-2008, 11:11 AM
Am I to understand there is no way to split the signal before it goes to the receiver? I'm adding a TV to my bedroom and running component or HDMI across the house just isnt feasible.
If you need 4 or fewer coax connections (DVR's need 2), you need a coax cable from the dish to each individual receiver. If you need more than 4 coax connections, the multiswitch does the job of a splitter. It takes the 4 coax lines from the dish and splits them into 8 (or 16) coax lines which can be used as inputs for the sat receivers.

Basically, you have 3 methods to get a satellite feed to a 2nd tv:

1- Add a new (HD or SD) receiver where the 2nd tv is (needs it's own coax input cable from the dish or multiswitch). This will add $4.99/mth to your bill for the extra receiver.
2- Run a cable (composite/hdmi/component/coax w/rf modulator) from the main satellite receiver to the 2nd tv (all outputs are active).
3- Use a wireless transmitter from the main receiver to the 2nd tv.

:)

Superman
01-24-2008, 05:55 PM
This wireless transmitter intrigues me. How much and where to buy?

mcbeevee
01-25-2008, 08:03 AM
This wireless transmitter intrigues me. How much and where to buy?
The wireless a/v transmitters are currently SD only. The Leapfrog system is supposed to be decent. It sells for around $70 on amazon and $100 at bestbuy.

Leapfrog 2.4ghz wireless a/v transmitter (http://www.audiovox.com/webapp/wcs/stores/servlet/ProductDisplay?catalogId=10001&storeId=10001&productId=14138&langId=-1)

:)

Superman
01-25-2008, 08:17 AM
SD only? Well, that's about useless to me then. So unless I'm willing to sign another 2 year contract and drop $300 for a new HD DVR, I'm screwed, is that right?

I hate DirecTV.

mcbeevee
01-25-2008, 11:08 AM
SD only? Well, that's about useless to me then. So unless I'm willing to sign another 2 year contract and drop $300 for a new HD DVR, I'm screwed, is that right?
I hate DirecTV.
They just announced some wireless HD transmitters at CES this month, but they are $500+ and months away from production. Why not just get a HD receiver for the 2nd tv instead of the HD-DVR? You can get an H20/H21 anywhere from $0-$99.

:)

Marty0503
01-25-2008, 11:29 AM
I'm pretty sure that I read somewhere in this forum that you can get the HD DVR from DirecTV for $99 now.

mcbeevee
01-25-2008, 12:05 PM
I'm pretty sure that I read somewhere in this forum that you can get the HD DVR from DirecTV for $99 now.
If you are a good negotiator, you might get one for $99 by talking to a CSR or Retention. If you have -zero- negotiating skills (like me), it will cost $199 upfront.

:)

Superman
01-27-2008, 09:08 AM
Yeah, but I don't want another contract extension. I don't want to add yet another $5 a month for the service. In fact, I'm thinking of dropping DirecTV when my contract is up later this year. So no, I really don't want to buy anymore equipment from them.

joed32
01-27-2008, 10:10 AM
Your right, $5 a month is too high for a second feed. I'm sure you can get a better deal from another provider.

Superman
01-27-2008, 11:58 AM
Oh look, the insinuation that I'm a cheap-ass is already starting. :rolleyes:

I already pay for a second feed. Plus I pay for DVR service, and I pay for for tech service because they have to realign my dish every 2 months. So no, I don't really want to pay for a third feed, and then be locked in for another 2 years. That contract extension horseshit.

I'm not interested in continuing the trend of increasing my monthly bill and drilling more holes in my floor and adding another 2 year commitment for a service I have gradually become come dissatisfied with over the years just to occasionally watch TV in the bedroom.

Thank you for contributing something useful though.

joed32
01-27-2008, 12:58 PM
Oh look, the insinuation that I'm a cheap-ass is already starting. :rolleyes:

I already pay for a second feed. Plus I pay for DVR service, and I pay for for tech service because they have to realign my dish every 2 months. So no, I don't really want to pay for a third feed, and then be locked in for another 2 years. That contract extension horseshit.

I'm not interested in continuing the trend of increasing my monthly bill and drilling more holes in my floor and adding another 2 year commitment for a service I have gradually become come dissatisfied with over the years just to occasionally watch TV in the bedroom.

Thank you for contributing something useful though.

Just suggesting that when your commitment is up you should go to another provider, thats all. If I was unhappy with DirecTv that's what I would do.

BiggNewt
01-28-2008, 06:13 PM
Your right, $5 a month is too high for a second feed. I'm sure you can get a better deal from another provider.

You can...from Dish Network, I have HD in three seperate rooms and don't pay a dime extra.

joed32
01-29-2008, 07:44 AM
You can...from Dish Network, I have HD in three seperate rooms and don't pay a dime extra.

There you go, he can move to Dish and save money.

jimrubens
06-18-2008, 09:36 PM
I have a DirecTV HD reciever and dish both new and an HDTV - all work great. Want to mirror other home TVs in other rooms, including an HDTV. Bought a Radio Shack $20.00 RF modulator. Tried both AV and S-video from receiver to RF modulator, then coax out to mirror TVs. Mirror TVs work, but are grainy with both AV and S-video inputs to the RF modulator on both HD and regular channels.

What can I do to get clear mirror TV reception? Are there higher quality RF modulators? Thanks

skyhawk
05-29-2009, 10:22 PM
:bowdown::bowdown::what::helpmeI had pretty much the same situation and researched my BRAINS out! On the advice from this community of friendly folks I went to Radio Shack and got an RF modulator. This converts the COMPOSITE connection set on your HD receiver (DVR notwithstanding) to coax. I really wanted something to somehow convert the COMPONENT outputs, but resigned myself to the lower quality composite set up (for now ...)The REALLY interesting part of this whole thing is - when I actually went to install the converter I noticed that the DTV installer had hooked up the COMPONENT outputs on the box to my HDTV ready TV AS WELL AS the HDMI (who knows why <sigh>) anyway I unplugged that cable set from the TV and connected it to the RF Converter - VOILE!! Here is what I was looking for all along! I had converted the COMPONENT output to coax! Everything (high quality video AND stereo sound) is working nicely! Hope this helps. (I am a 'newbie' too!)

skyhawk
05-29-2009, 10:30 PM
Okay, I'm really an idiot. I'm not sure what I just did, but I don't see my post, so I'm asking again. We had Directv on a service call to upgrade to HD receivers. The plan was to have them split the upstairs signal to a bedroom. I wasn't there, but the guy left instructions to buy an RF Modulator and plug it in. I have plugged it in with every combination I can think of, and it still doesn't send the signal to the bedroom. Can anyone give me the Directv guide for dummies version? I have another service call scheduled for next week, but if I can do this, I'll give it a shot. Thanks so much.

skyhawk
05-29-2009, 10:37 PM
I AGREE. We have Dish, and absolutely no problems, moving equipment, etc. You can even use a dish from a separate location, take it in the RV if you like, and it works great. I can't even move a stinking receiver without a service call in my Mom's house. Last time it nuked all the signals in the house, and get this, she pays for the service contract and they refused to honor it because we dared to move the receiver to a different room. Apparently, touching their equipment violates the terms of the service agreement. ??? We will definitely encourage her to change to Dish as soon as this contract expires.

Pill
07-01-2009, 01:22 PM
How can I split one incoming coax signal to 2 seperate HD (Directv) boxes? That is I have 2 HD boxes but location of boxes is only near one coax cable. So can I split the coax cable into to coax lines, one to each HD box. Each has a BBC. I would then run HDMI cable to the seperate HD TV's. Thanks from a newbie.

paf2200
08-22-2009, 08:30 AM
You are definitely correct on the terminology.

Is there any way to actually get an hd feed converted back to coax so it can feed other hd tvs? I know they would have to receive the same channel as the host receiver, but it is o.k. I'm trying to have my HD receiver in my MBR feed my MBR bathroom unit and one in my workout room which is also adjacent to the MBR.

Thanks.

firesim
09-03-2010, 05:49 PM
Greetings
I ahve Directv High def box, I would like to split the signal and run to the back bedroon it is 50 feet away from the receiver. Is there any way to do this. I have coax run now from the previous box, but on the new one ther is no coax output. Juts HDMI, component, composit. Thanks for your help.

kvsfocus
09-09-2010, 03:20 AM
Yes. You can split from a single Direct TV receiver but you do have to watch the same channel and you will also lose the stereo sound.

bboozen
10-31-2010, 06:51 PM
Hi,

Sorry to be dense, but after reading through this thread I'm still unclear if I can get an HD signal on a 2nd TV from my HD DVR.

For the past several months I've successfully run a signal to an SD TV in my kitchen from the HD DVR in my family room using an RF converter and coax cable, but I just bought an HD TV for the kitchen and would like to be able to get an HD signal there if possible (without adding a new box.) Is this doable?

From reading the thread I kinda believe the answer is yes, by running a composite or component cable from the HD DVR output, but I just want to make sure I am understanding you guys correctly before I buy the cable.

Thanks!

texasbrit
10-31-2010, 09:06 PM
For HD it needs to be a set of component cables NOT composite. Composite video is only SD.

Jodean
10-31-2010, 09:17 PM
you will actually need both component and composite cables to get HD picture AND sound.

you can also buy a cable with 5 rca ends to accomplish this check monoprice

bboozen
10-31-2010, 09:41 PM
great, thanks for the info!!

texasbrit
11-01-2010, 01:47 PM
you will actually need both component and composite cables to get HD picture AND sound.

you can also buy a cable with 5 rca ends to accomplish this check monoprice

Actually not. You need component video plus audio. You do not need the yellow composite video cable.
For audio, the red/white RCA connection will only give you PCM stereo, not DD 5.1 surround. To get DD 5.1 you would need to run an optical audio cable instead of the RCA red/white cables. http://www.monoprice.com/products/product.asp?c_id=102&cp_id=10229&cs_id=1022901&p_id=2669&seq=1&format=2

Jodean
11-01-2010, 02:31 PM
Actually not. You need component video plus audio. You do not need the yellow composite video cable.
For audio, the red/white RCA connection will only give you PCM stereo, not DD 5.1 surround. To get DD 5.1 you would need to run an optical audio cable instead of the RCA red/white cables. http://www.monoprice.com/products/product.asp?c_id=102&cp_id=10229&cs_id=1022901&p_id=2669&seq=1&format=2

well actually yes.....he will use the red white from the composit calbes, he cant run an optical cable since the tv wont have and optical input.......there fore he will be using both component and the red white from composite

glad you want to argue

bboozen
11-01-2010, 07:10 PM
Is this what you're talking about?

(RG-59/U) 5-RCA Component Video/Audio Coaxial Cable

I tried to post the link but I am too new here.

Jodean
11-01-2010, 07:33 PM
yes

joed32
11-02-2010, 06:23 AM
Actually not. You need component video plus audio. You do not need the yellow composite video cable.
For audio, the red/white RCA connection will only give you PCM stereo, not DD 5.1 surround. To get DD 5.1 you would need to run an optical audio cable instead of the RCA red/white cables. http://www.monoprice.com/products/product.asp?c_id=102&cp_id=10229&cs_id=1022901&p_id=2669&seq=1&format=2

Actually I have several sets of component cables from monoprice that have red, green, blue, + red and white audio cables all connected together.
Like these
http://www.monoprice.com/products/product.asp?c_id=102&cp_id=10235&cs_id=1023501&p_id=322&seq=1&format=2
They have up to 50'.

isszguy
11-02-2010, 09:08 PM
I guess it's pretty clear above, but in case it isn't, you can run ANY color cables for a component/audio connection. However, you have to make sure the cables on the 3 different colors run to the same 3 different colors on the receiving end. PITA, especially for longer runs. And then there's the issue of connecting the left speaker to the wrong side. Therefore, I recommend using color coded component cabling.

On a similar note, yesterday I discovered a workman in our house accidentally pulled the two speaker wires feeding an external speaker. Since the wires are not coded, I haven't reconnected them for fear of perhaps blowing the speaker. There is a + and - issue here and I will have to pull the amp out of a difficult place in order to make sure which wire is + and which is -.

Am I in error with this fear? Can I safely rewire this speaker without fear of damaging it by hooking the + side to the - side on the speaker?

Jodean
11-03-2010, 09:57 PM
speaker wire will not blow up the speaker, it just reverses polarity, you will lose some bass if wired backwards or out of phase of the other speaker.

you should be able to tell by switching back and forth......i hate non labled speaker wire!!!!