PS3: Drake's (un)Fortune with sales

Like R&C, yet another big budget, highly hyped PS3 exclusive selling miserably. Surely 3rd parties are taking note of this...

http://www.1up.com/do/newsStory?cId=3165041
In arguably the month's biggest disappointment, Naughty Dog's PS3 debut, Uncharted: Drake's Fortune, not only failed to show up in the top ten software sales for November, but only managed 117,000 sales, according to the NPD Group, during the two weeks it was available last month.

1UP contacted Sony Computer Entertainment America for comment, but we've yet to hear back. Granted, there were always fears Uncharted's pulp-influenced setting would be difficult to market (read: not enough space aliens, first-person-perspectives and bald space marines), and those fears appear to have been well-founded, unless Uncharted suddenly finds a hidden audience in the coming months.

To be fair, it did have a better first-month than Ratchet & Clank Future: Tools of Destruction (74,500 units), Warhawk (58,600 units) and Lair (46,500 units), but still fell behind Heavenly Sword's debut sales (139,000 units) in September.

true.. just not enough PS3's in the U.S. for a large enough install base. however, what makes me wonder is what the "F" are PS3 owners playing?! . and aint no japanese guy going to buy uncharted either.. they play the oddest games and mostly games that are made in their own country anyway(sarcasium)(ever seen a asian guy go to walmart and buy uncharted HAHHAHA). but check this out, it sold 117k in the month of november in the U.S. considering theres only like 2.5million PS3's in U.S. anyway, do they really except a PS3 game to be in the top ten and sell 300k in like the first week when theres still not a large # of PS3's in the U.S. (117k in two weeks in u.s. alone is still not half as bad again considering the # of units in u.s.) however in Europe the game sold 112k the first week alone.... (all in all to-date the game is at about a quarter million sold in u.s. and over 360k worldwide in one month/4wk period which is certainly not half as bad)...

so the big question..what the hell are americans playing on their PS3?.. the answer?... probably just bluray movies.. :( the losers.. oh well, cant win 'em all.. the game is amazing though with the sickest graphics

thats still $7 million in sales. I wonder what their production budget was

better yet, $21.6 million worldwide sales.. good question about the budget, i hear MGS4 is going to be a insane 60million to make?! *passes out*

true.. just not enough PS3's in the U.S. for a large enough install base. however, what makes me wonder is what the "F" are PS3 owners playing?! .


I have no clue, if I didn't have a 360 I would be going crazy with just the PS3. CoD4, Rock Band,Oblivion and Uncharted are it's 4 best games IMO, and I bought the first 3 for the 360. The Orange Box is another great game but suffers from framrate issues on the PS3. So I agree ,they are probrobly just watching bluray movies, which is very sad considering how many awsome games the PS2 had.

i see it as, 2.9million PS3's in U.S. and probably half of them are used as a blu-ray player first then gaming system second. if thats the case then theres really probably only like 1.5million true PS3 gamers out there, and if thats the case having sold 117k in two weeks to a 1.5million market is pretty good. its true though.. alot of ps3's are not being used as a gaming system priority, i know in my case its a gaming system first, bluray player extra

I have this for my PS3, it's a great game!!

Oliver

I own a PS3. I did not buy Drakes.
I have been playing the old games on my PS3. And you know what? I LOVE IT!!!!!!
I play Resistance almost every day since December of last year and I STILL really LOVE this damn game. The online play is SWEET!!

I also play Motorstorm. They keep coming out with new content. The latest is mirror mode which just F's with your mind. I really have NO REASON to go out and buy another game when I just don't have time to play it...no matter how great it may be - (COD4). I MIGHT get a game in January - Warhawk - but unsure. I have never played a game on the PS2 as I've done with Resistance and Motorstorm. These are the two of my top 3 favorite games. My second favorite is Grand Theft Auto on PS2.

My friend just completed Drakes Fortune and liked it a lot, and he has a 360 and Wii to compete for his game time.

i see it as, 2.9million PS3's in U.S. and probably half of them are used as a blu-ray player first then gaming system second. if thats the case then theres really probably only like 1.5million true PS3 gamers out there, and if thats the case having sold 117k in two weeks to a 1.5million market is pretty good. its true though.. alot of ps3's are not being used as a gaming system priority, i know in my case its a gaming system first, bluray player extra

If that's the case, then the state of the PS3 is even worse than I really thought.

There are probably some other PS3 games I'd be interested in, if there weren't so many 360 games and HD DVD's I wanted. I've been far too busy with my 360 games and HD DVD's to have time for gaming on my PS3.

When the warhawk add on comes out, I will definetely be getting that though - that's a great game.

Steve my man, your still rocking resistance and motorstorm only eh lol :D good for you man :D

mshulman:... its just how i see things when sales are not like "Uncharted sells 500k its first week" .. thats just not possible at this present time in the U.S. and we wont see sales like that until the PS3's second year just like the 360 and its mere first year when sales where dominated by the PS2. have a drink

Not really true. GOW, GRAW, COD2, Oblvion, etc sold big during their first few weeks of sales. 360 gamers are the more hard core gaming crowd. GOW was released within a year of 360's launch and it sold over a million in U$ alone in less than 6 weeks, over 2 million worldwide. I think this years Madden sold more on 360 than on PS2.

and we wont see sales like that until the PS3's second year just like the 360 and its mere first year when sales where dominated by the PS2. have a drink

That's sad considering the numbers of PS3's sold in the US that Sony is touting. I guess these people are too busy using them as a BDP to actually play games on it. We know that the PS3 is selling a bit better lately, so lets see how many copies of this game are sold after the holiday season when all the little Johnnies have opened their brand new PS3's they got for Christmas.

Like R&C, yet another big budget, highly hyped PS3 exclusive selling miserably. Surely 3rd parties are taking note of this...

http://www.1up.com/do/newsStory?cId=3165041
In arguably the month's biggest disappointment, Naughty Dog's PS3 debut, Uncharted: Drake's Fortune, not only failed to show up in the top ten software sales for November, but only managed 117,000 sales, according to the NPD Group, during the two weeks it was available last month.

1UP contacted Sony Computer Entertainment America for comment, but we've yet to hear back. Granted, there were always fears Uncharted's pulp-influenced setting would be difficult to market (read: not enough space aliens, first-person-perspectives and bald space marines), and those fears appear to have been well-founded, unless Uncharted suddenly finds a hidden audience in the coming months.

To be fair, it did have a better first-month than Ratchet & Clank Future: Tools of Destruction (74,500 units), Warhawk (58,600 units) and Lair (46,500 units), but still fell behind Heavenly Sword's debut sales (139,000 units) in September.

It's a shame that Uncharted isn't selling better. It has the best graphics of ANY game this generation, PS3 or 360.

It's a shame that Uncharted isn't selling better. It has the best graphics of ANY game this generation, PS3 or 360.

Better than Gears of War, Halo 3, Assassins Creed, Bioshock? I think my BD huffing friend picked this game up a few days ago, so maybe it is time to pay him another visit to check it out.

Better than Gears of War, Halo 3, Assassins Creed, Bioshock? I think my BD huffing friend picked this game up a few days ago, so maybe it is time to pay him another visit to check it out.

i own drakes and i can honestly say it's not the best graphics i have seen. GLOW is just trying to get the PS3 hype maching going in every thread he can find. sorry but this game is not BIO SHOCK or assassins creed quality. try those games out GLOW then call drakes what you want otherwise that statment is a complete lie.

It's a shame that Uncharted isn't selling better. It has the best graphics of ANY game this generation, PS3 or 360.

Wow, do you own a 360 GLOW? So you have played, or seen, the best games offered by the 360 on your display system? June, get back to us after you look at the game, as I doubt GLOW ever will come back.

It's a shame that Uncharted isn't selling better. It has the best graphics of ANY game this generation, PS3 or 360.


They are _very_ very good yes, however i'd say Bioshock takes it. Also Mass Effect in places is truly breathtaking.

Oliver

i own drakes and i can honestly say it's not the best graphics i have seen. GLOW is just trying to get the PS3 hype maching going in every thread he can find. sorry but this game is not BIO SHOCK or assassins creed quality. try those games out GLOW then call drakes what you want otherwise that statment is a complete lie.

I've yet to play Assassins Creed but it seems every new PS3 game i play looks better then the previous AHHAAHAH.. i think Uncharted IS breathtaking and a technological breakthrough for sure. I'll be playing assassins creed once i unwrap it, im very anxious to see those graphics, hell i'll probably say "wow now this game looks better then any i've seen to-date" cause thats what i ususally say LOL..

They are _very_ very good yes, however i'd say Bioshock takes it. Also Mass Effect in places is truly breathtaking.

Oliver

probably if the game is not moving(e.g. screen shots) but with all the technical glitches/framerates/bugs and what not, i cant see it being "breathtaking during play" nor "technological breakthrough" ... bioshock maybe, i've never played it but graphics ratings have all been v.high on that game for its art work and what not



i think its getting to the point where all the games are coming out and look so freaking amazing that its hard almost impossible to say "this one looks better then this one"... for example COD4, Assassins Creed, Uncharted, bioshock all look "beyond breathtaking" .. so its very very hard to say "COD4 looks way better then assassins creed"...

I've yet to play Assassins Creed but it seems every new PS3 game i play looks better then the previous AHHAAHAH.. i think Uncharted IS breathtaking and a technological breakthrough for sure. I'll be playing assassins creed once i unwrap it, im very anxious to see those graphics, hell i'll probably say "wow now this game looks better then any i've seen to-date" cause thats what i ususally say LOL..



probably if the game is not moving(e.g. screen shots) but with all the technical glitches/framerates/bugs and what not, i cant see it being "breathtaking during play" nor "technological breakthrough" ... bioshock maybe, i've never played it but graphics ratings have all been v.high on that game for its art work and what not



i think its getting to the point where all the games are coming out and look so freaking amazing that its hard almost impossible to say "this one looks better then this one"... for example COD4, Assassins Creed, Uncharted, bioshock all look "beyond breathtaking" .. so its very very hard to say "COD4 looks way better then assassins creed"...


honestly bio shock is the best looking game to date, not even close and the story line is so freaking sick. my wife watched me play for a little while back when i only had 1 hdtv to play on (sony xbr1) and when i stopped playing so we could watch her nightly shows she said no this game is fun. she always asks me if i still play that game, i think she wants to know what is happening in the storyline.

also the frame rate issues become a non factor once you play a little. the simple fact of how the storyline changes and it fits your guys personality is fun then the twists are and turns of the story keep me going. i don't say this about many games but the frame rate doesn't take much away from the experience. it only seems to be a problem when your walking around the worlds and there is nothing to do but get to your next objective. plus the cutscenes are crazy.

i own drakes and i can honestly say it's not the best graphics i have seen. GLOW is just trying to get the PS3 hype maching going in every thread he can find. sorry but this game is not BIO SHOCK or assassins creed quality. try those games out GLOW then call drakes what you want otherwise that statment is a complete lie.

Assassin's Creed DOES NOT look better than Uncharted. I've seen Bioshock and it looks amazing, but I think Uncharted beats it out. They are 2 different art styles but the animation in Uncharted is second to none, therefore is the most visually impressive game so far.

Wow, do you own a 360 GLOW? So you have played, or seen, the best games offered by the 360 on your display system? June, get back to us after you look at the game, as I doubt GLOW ever will come back.

I don't own a 360, but my best friend's roommate does so I've pretty much seen the best the 360 has to offer (Bioshock, Halo 3, Gears, etc) and Uncharted is the most visually impressive IMO. Bioshock is a serious contender but I'd give it to Uncharted.

Wow, do you own a 360 GLOW? So you have played, or seen, the best games offered by the 360 on your display system? June, get back to us after you look at the game, as I doubt GLOW ever will come back.


Have you played Drake's? You're critical of GLOW....just have to make sure you have the right to be. ??

Steve- the 360 code of honor declares that "no person who owns a 360 shall be permitted to watch, play or touch" a PS3 game, system or controller, but criticize the hell out of it anyway. It's kind of their "law".

Steve- the 360 code of honor declares that "no person who owns a 360 shall be permitted to watch, play or touch" a PS3 game, system or controller, but criticize the hell out of it anyway. It's kind of their "law".


Now that you mention it, I HAVE heard that before!

:eyecrazy

Steve- the 360 code of honor declares that "no person who owns a 360 shall be permitted to watch, play or touch" a PS3 game, system or controller, but criticize the hell out of it anyway. It's kind of their "law".

:lol: :lol: :lol:

I have both, I play both. If anything gets stick from me, it's unbiased and justified. So when I slag off the PS3, it's because I am genuinely annoyed at Sony for something that is currently subpar to my 360. That said, Uncharted rocks - and does look awesome.

I still say Bioshock gets it though ;-)

Oliver

Steve- the 360 code of honor declares that "no person who owns a 360 shall be permitted to watch, play or touch" a PS3 game, system or controller, but criticize the hell out of it anyway. It's kind of their "law".

HAHAHAHHA!!!! thats a good one. :lol: :lol:

its hard to compare a game like Uncharted and Bioshock. uncharted has sick as hell animation/character animation.. with bioshock its hard to see character animation cause its a FPS so you really never seen yourself. however bioshock has some artist stuff going on, however the environments in uncharted are.. c'mon, some of the best hands down. if anyone says one is good over the other its just a personal opinion and nothing more. both are A+ titles though the story in uncharted is really good, alot of people have said the story in bioshock is speechless so...

Have you played Drake's?

You obviously didnt notice Steve, but I didnt compare them because I havent played Drakes (I dont own a PS3)...but you already knew that, right?

You're critical of GLOW....just have to make sure you have the right to be. ??

And, yes, I am critical of GLOW. And, no, not because I have the right, but because Glow says he can see a difference, and I highly doubt he's seen both the 360 games and PS3 games on the same display system to do a fair comparison. Oh, and Im also critical of GLOW because he's just like you Steve, he's a smartass fanboy:haha:

You obviously didnt notice Steve, but I didnt compare them because I havent played Drakes (I dont own a PS3)...but you already knew that, right?



And, yes, I am critical of GLOW. And, no, not because I have the right, but because Glow says he can see a difference, and I highly doubt he's seen both the 360 games and PS3 games on the same display system to do a fair comparison. Oh, and Im also critical of GLOW because he's just like you Steve, he's a smartass fanboy:haha:

Well then instead of assuming something like many of your kind do...why don't you ask Glow nicely? I know it's a stretch but give it a try. Ask the question. ;) Go on, don't be shy.

"Well then instead of assuming something like many of your kind do"

HAHAHAHAHAAHAH... making him sound like another species or something hahhaha

"Well then instead of assuming something like many of your kind do"

HAHAHAHAHAAHAH... making him sound like another species or something hahhaha

Well the 360 fanboys are in a world of their own, right?
:lol:

Well then instead of assuming something like many of your kind do...why don't you ask Glow nicely?

Like many of my kind??????????

What kind would that be Steve? Are you saying I'm biased, or a fanboy, because I only own a 360? I strongly suggest you pick your next words to me carefully, because everything I have ever wrote is available for your review, and I will call you out on accusing me of something Im not, fanboy.

and I will call you out on accusing me of something Im not, fanboy.

OOOOHHH!. what a come back!.. FIGHT FIGHT FIGHT!.. :lol: :horse: :music :duh:

Steve- the 360 code of honor declares that "no person who owns a 360 shall be permitted to watch, play or touch" a PS3 game, system or controller, but criticize the hell out of it anyway. It's kind of their "law".

funny because i own both systems and i don't agree that any ps3 game can touch bio shock or gears and i own every ps3 game worth owning. apparently the gaming award voters and reviewers agree. go ahead and check the numbers from review sites and it's clear bio shock is the better looking game. being the best looking ps3 game doesn't qualify it as the best looking game this gen.

Well the 360 fanboys are in a world of their own, right?
:lol:

come on steve start a the famous type A quotes thread. go through his history and i bet you come back saying sorry quickly.

funny because i own both systems and i don't agree that any ps3 game can touch bio shock or gears and i own every ps3 game worth owning. apparently the gaming award voters and reviewers agree. go ahead and check the numbers from review sites and it's clear bio shock is the better looking game. being the best looking ps3 game doesn't qualify it as the best looking game this gen.

Stop the tape!! The all knowing bboncorr, the authority on EVERYTHING HAS SPOKEN. Too bad though, I'm afraid to break it to you, but Drake's Fortune blows Bioshock out of the water in the graphics & gameplay departments.

Steve- the 360 code of honor declares that "no person who owns a 360 shall be permitted to watch, play or touch" a PS3 game, system or controller, but criticize the hell out of it anyway. It's kind of their "law".

Likewise one also seem to exist for PS3 owners as well. It is rather funny since I do go to my friend's house every now and then to check out what is new on the PS3. There are also a few people including yourself on this forum who own both of the next gen consoles as well. The problem is that much of what we argue about are purely subjective to our tastes and biases, which is why there is often no answer of what the best looking game is, or which game is the most fun..........

In the end, I think people have simply decided to choose a side and justify their decisions in any way possible. Why else would be have all of this bickering(mostly good natured) on this forum, and is very well why the SDF and MDL exist.

i have no idea what nexgenrulz said but im sure it was very unbias and has tons of objective points which can be taken seriously. gotta love a :banana: head like you nex.

i have no idea what nexgenrulz said but im sure it was very unbias and has tons of objective points which can be taken seriously. gotta love a :banana: head like you nex.

Don't worry bb, I've got nothing but love for you man.

Like many of my kind??????????

What kind would that be Steve? Are you saying I'm biased, or a fanboy, because I only own a 360? I strongly suggest you pick your next words to me carefully, because everything I have ever wrote is available for your review, and I will call you out on accusing me of something Im not, fanboy.


..CHOOSE MY WORDS WISELY? Who the fu@k do you think you are? You're just a little piece of sh!t. Am I choosing my words wisely now?

hahaha just kidding. seriously, you don't know me by now? I say things on this forum just to rev people up...you know "the kind that you are"?? I know you're not a fanboy. Just make sure that before you call out someone else (GLOW) you do your research first. That was my point if you hadn't figured it out
Oh and by the way, what did I accuse you of? You're so defensive for some reason. Next time, stop squeezing your own balls and relax a bit. :haha:
(That's right, I just pointed my finger at you. It's supposed to make you pissed off) OOOOHHHH!!!

..CHOOSE MY WORDS WISELY? Who the fu@k do you think you are? You're just a little piece of sh!t. Am I choosing my words wisely now?

hahaha just kidding. seriously, you don't know me by now? I say things on this forum just to rev people up...you know "the kind that you are"?? I know you're not a fanboy. Just make sure that before you call out someone else (GLOW) you do your research first. That was my point if you hadn't figured it out
Oh and by the way, what did I accuse you of? You're so defensive for some reason. Next time, stop squeezing your own balls and relax a bit. :haha:
(That's right, I just pointed my finger at you. It's supposed to make you pissed off) OOOOHHHH!!!

man i love this :haha: and :banana: they can be used in so many different ways to put someone down.

Better than Gears of War, Halo 3, Assassins Creed, Bioshock? I think my BD huffing friend picked this game up a few days ago, so maybe it is time to pay him another visit to check it out.

I own both next gen systems, and am a slight 360 fanboy. I gotta admit, Uncharted has the best graphics I have ever seen. Some of those textures are insane! The 4 games you named are the only games that come close in graphics IMO. Overall game though , I liked Bioshock more.

Better than Gears of War, Halo 3, Assassins Creed, Bioshock? I think my BD huffing friend picked this game up a few days ago, so maybe it is time to pay him another visit to check it out.

I don't think you guy's should be comparing fps's to 3rd person action games in graphic's. Compare uncharted to gears of war or even tomb raider, not bioshock. I can't believe you guy's aren't even counting call of duty 4 with the fps's. Imho uncharted is better looking then gears of war(which was my showcase game for graphic's last holiday season) and i think when it comes to fps's, call of duty 4(i have the ps3 version) is the best looking. Cod4 had so much action and particle effects, bioshock didn't have near that kind of thing going on.Bioshock was great at setting the mood with what it was showing on screen and the surround sound was awesome. Now, to me atleast halo 3 should not even be on this list, unless we change this to most disapointing graphic's in a game single player was decent but multiplayer was nothing compared to cod4, graphic's wise. I think GRAW 2 was one of the best looking games of the year also, much better then halo 3. The last couple years my xbox 360 had taken up all my free time and now with all the awesome ps3 games these last few months, I haven't turned on my 360 even to do the system update.
The fact that the great games like uncharted and rachet and clank didn't sell 500k is just sad and just shows you how sad this video game market has gotten when crap games like 99% of the wii's games sell so well. The ps3 is such a amazing piece of hardware for everything it does, it break's my heart every month when the doesn't sell 500k. :crying: But i believe thing's are really going to start changing in the next 6 month's.

ps. What about unreal 3 for the ps3 that game has amazing graphic's.:gamer :gamer :gamer

I don't think you guy's should be comparing fps's to 3rd person action games in graphic's. Compare uncharted to gears of war or even tomb raider, not bioshock. I can't believe you guy's aren't even counting call of duty 4 with the fps's. Imho uncharted is better looking then gears of war(which was my showcase game for graphic's last holiday season) and i think when it comes to fps's, call of duty 4(i have the ps3 version) is the best looking. Cod4 had so much action and particle effects, bioshock didn't have near that kind of thing going on.Bioshock was great at setting the mood with what it was showing on screen and the surround sound was awesome. Now, to me atleast halo 3 should not even be on this list, unless we change this to most disapointing graphic's in a game single player was decent but multiplayer was nothing compared to cod4, graphic's wise. I think GRAW 2 was one of the best looking games of the year also, much better then halo 3. The last couple years my xbox 360 had taken up all my free time and now with all the awesome ps3 games these last few months, I haven't turned on my 360 even to do the system update.
The fact that the great games like uncharted and rachet and clank didn't sell 500k is just sad and just shows you how sad this video game market has gotten when crap games like 99% of the wii's games sell so well. The ps3 is such a amazing piece of hardware for everything it does, it break's my heart every month when the doesn't sell 500k. :crying: But i believe thing's are really going to start changing in the next 6 month's.

ps. What about unreal 3 for the ps3 that game has amazing graphic's.:gamer :gamer :gamer

I have to agree on what I've seen through the first two levels of Halo 3. It looks nice and all but not much wow factor graphically.

man i love this :haha: and :banana: they can be used in so many different ways to put someone down.

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Hey look, the whole forum is laughing at you now (not you B, just in general)

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Hey look, the whole forum is laughing at you now (not you B, just in general)

i like that, i might have to use it on someone one day.

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Hey look, the whole forum is laughing at you now (not you B, just in general)

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Very clever.

according to Vgcharts, Uncharted is over the 400k mark in a month time frame.. at that rate it should hit 800k in two months(which is still good), however i personally would have thought at least over 500k in a month. still makes me wonder what are most playing.. i think maybe most are just renting PS3 games like uncharted... hmmm

Just bought a PS3 Sunday after my 360 went dead again.

I'm sending the 360 back to M$ and the PS3 has been growing on me big time. I am dying to get mass effect but for just about everything else I think I will be getting the PS3 version.

After hearing all the anti PS3 stuff in here I was sceptical but I have been pleasantly surprised. I thought I would never do it but I actually boiught a couple of BD disks, it fellt kinda weird being the BD sectrion.

I just started Drake's Fortune and the graphics look awesome. I don't think facial expressions are recreated as well on the 360. COlors seemed very rich and deep. Only game so far though so I'll really tell when I try some others.

naughty dog made the game look that way on purpose(very high vibrant colors) the game wasnt meant to look "photorealistic" but more over saturated instead.. works awesome indeed. this and heavenly sword have the best character and facial animations i've seen.

Just bought a PS3 Sunday after my 360 went dead again.

I'm sending the 360 back to M$ and the PS3 has been growing on me big time. I am dying to get mass effect but for just about everything else I think I will be getting the PS3 version.

After hearing all the anti PS3 stuff in here I was sceptical but I have been pleasantly surprised. I thought I would never do it but I actually boiught a couple of BD disks, it fellt kinda weird being the BD sectrion.

I just started Drake's Fortune and the graphics look awesome. I don't think facial expressions are recreated as well on the 360. COlors seemed very rich and deep. Only game so far though so I'll really tell when I try some others.


SHOSHO....After another couple weeks let us all know how you like the 360 compared to the PS3. Is it really as bad as so many people on here say it is? (I won't name names) Or better yet, in your opinion is it BETTER than the 360. (ALL YOUR OWN OPINION)

Thanks SHO.

For now, Mass Effect is an X360 exclusive. Just wait till you get your X360 back as i'm sure it will just grow back on you. As for facial expressions, I would have to imagine that is upto each individual developer and how they choose to program their game engines. Same deal with colors as well. I wil probably break down and get a PS3 at some point if they drop the price anymore. I would probably be more interested in it's BDP capabilities since most of the BDP stand alones just arn't a good value. I would probably say that GT5 is going to be the game that pushes me over though, since I love racing sims.

Just bought a PS3 Sunday after my 360 went dead again.

I'm sending the 360 back to M$ and the PS3 has been growing on me big time. I am dying to get mass effect but for just about everything else I think I will be getting the PS3 version.

After hearing all the anti PS3 stuff in here I was sceptical but I have been pleasantly surprised. I thought I would never do it but I actually boiught a couple of BD disks, it fellt kinda weird being the BD sectrion.

I just started Drake's Fortune and the graphics look awesome. I don't think facial expressions are recreated as well on the 360. COlors seemed very rich and deep. Only game so far though so I'll really tell when I try some others.

For now, Mass Effect is an X360 exclusive. Just wait till you get your X360 back as i'm sure it will just grow back on you. As for facial expressions, I would have to imagine that is upto each individual developer and how they choose to program their game engines. Same deal with colors as well. I wil probably break down and get a PS3 at some point if they drop the price anymore. I would probably be more interested in it's BDP capabilities since most of the BDP stand alones just arn't a good value. I would probably say that GT5 is going to be the game that pushes me over though, since I love racing sims.

GT5Prologue has already been released.. though only in japan(for now?).. though prologue is not the 100% final full game. i remember they did the same thing with GT3 and GT4 but releaseing these "prologue" and "concept" titles and charging a small price. i dont knwo the details of GT5 prologue but its suppose to include a few tracks and a number of vehicles, but im sure your probably more interested in the full final version. hopfully xmas 2008 :D

GT5Prologue has already been released.. though only in japan(for now?).. though prologue is not the 100% final full game. i remember they did the same thing with GT3 and GT4 but releaseing these "prologue" and "concept" titles and charging a small price. i dont knwo the details of GT5 prologue but its suppose to include a few tracks and a number of vehicles, but im sure your probably more interested in the full final version. hopfully xmas 2008 :D

I'll probably catch a lot of flak, but I really wish someone would make a PS3 controller that looked exactly like the X360's controller. I play the PS3 at my buddy's apartment every now and then, and I just can't get used to the location of those thumbsticks. Maybe it also has to do with my small hands.

Either way, i'm also curious when Forza 3 will come out...........

GT5 and another $100 price drop on the PS3 would definately make me commit to one though...........

I'll probably catch a lot of flak, but I really wish someone would make a PS3 controller that looked exactly like the X360's controller. I play the PS3 at my buddy's apartment every now and then, and I just can't get used to the location of those thumbsticks. Maybe it also has to do with my small hands.

Either way, i'm also curious when Forza 3 will come out...........

GT5 and another $100 price drop on the PS3 would definately make me commit to one though...........

i know what you mean. when i play my ps3 it's hard to get used to that controller again. i hated the older xbox controller and that's why i only owned a xbox for about a week before trading it in for ps2 games.

i know what you mean. when i play my ps3 it's hard to get used to that controller again. i hated the older xbox controller and that's why i only owned a xbox for about a week before trading it in for ps2 games.

I'm glad i'm not the only one. My buddy claims that he can't ever get used to my X360 controller when he comes over, but I definately give kudos to Microsoft for designing one incredibly ergonomic controller. The original Xbox controller was a bit hard for me as my hands are rather small, and my fingers are sort of stubby.

Well, My wife got me Drakes fortune for my Birthday and I have to say that graphics wise, I think Heavenly sword is better. The Character animations in Drakes are very good, maybe a touch better than Sword. The facial expressions in Sword are better. Drake's faces have the annoying white after effects (terminology?) in the mouths and around the eyes. Swords faces are perfect. I prefer the more photo realistic backgrounds is Sword also.

Well, My wife got me Drakes fortune for my Birthday and I have to say that graphics wise, I think Heavenly sword is better. The Character animations in Drakes are very good, maybe a touch better than Sword. The facial expressions in Sword are better. Drake's faces have the annoying white after effects (terminology?) in the mouths and around the eyes. Swords faces are perfect. I prefer the more photo realistic backgrounds is Sword also.

Kudos to your wife for knowing what her man wants :) Now if there were more wives out there like that...........

my wife picked up assassins creed for me for xmas .. i say she has good taste lol :D

my wife picked up assassins creed for me for xmas .. i say she has good taste lol :D

Did she figure it out on her own, or did you drop her a hint? :)

I guess I know what some of us will be doing over the Christmas break.......

hahaha.. no i told her , oopppsss. she wouldnt have a clue as to what i like yet she sees me playing and sees what i like to play. oh well.

hahaha.. no i told her , oopppsss. she wouldnt have a clue as to what i like yet she sees me playing and sees what i like to play. oh well.

Many wives probably couldn't tell the difference between Halo 3, Drakes unFortune, or Resistance even if they watched their men play it everyday. I guess when something just doesn't interest you, it is not like you are going to pay attention to it. Oh well, at least you got something you wanted for Christmas. If i'm going to get anything this Christmas, I just hope it is in the form of gift certificates because I hate it when people try to give you clothing. They can never guess my size and ends up getting thrown into the closet.

PS3 is great but honestly Xbox Live is the killer in the battle. Excluding Xbox Live I prefer the PS3 but the controller should have been made better on the PS3, feels very cheap. If both were the same price I think I would still lean to the 360, but it is very close.

When the PS3 has more titles and a better live interface I would take the PS3 anyday especially with BD playback.

By the way, this may sound stupid but how to get to PS3 home with all the people?

I think I may have contradicted myself in my last post. As it stands right now I would take the 360. But I know Sony hasd got to have a couple of trickls up their sleaves with the powerful processor. I can deifinitely see thne PS3 catcthing up if they do the right thing.

Growing more attached to my PS3 by the day though.

Excluding Xbox Live I prefer the PS3 but the controller should have been made better on the PS3, feels very cheap.

When the PS3 hasa better live interface I would take the PS3 anyday especially with BD playback.

By the way, this may sound stupid but how to get to PS3 home with all the people?

PSN, xbox live, all the same crap. in the end all your doing is logging on to a server and playing online against other players. you message them, they message you, you join games with them, they join games with you. both services offer demos, trailers, wallpapers, videos, downloadable games, downloadable content.. . the main difference, one is free the other isnt. and in terms of the interface, what do you mean interface? playing online has no interface(depends on what game you play) but if your refering to PS store and Xbox market place the interface is indeed different, though they both offer similar things(xbox now has movies and shows right? PSN hasnt done this yet) the PS store is far more organized then it was a year ago. i've seen xbox market place and in 2 years it has indeed accumulated alot of content vs the 1yr PS store, however its essentially the same navigation, you want free demos then click on "free demos" both on PS store and market place.. the main difference between them are the icons, graphics and colors.

the controller only feels "cheap" cause its alot lighter in weight then the 360 controller. have you felt the dual shock 3 yet? alrighty then. the DS3 is available out now in japan(for import) and should be available in NA early next year and from user comparions the DS3 is much heavier then the sixaxis.

i dont understand your last question? "Home" hasnt been released yet, its still in its beta stages and unless your have access to home beta then you'll have to wait until spring 08 to get Home, which its going to be for free too :D .

I think I may have contradicted myself in my last post. As it stands right now I would take the 360. But I know Sony hasd got to have a couple of trickls up their sleaves with the powerful processor. I can deifinitely see thne PS3 catcthing up if they do the right thing.

Growing more attached to my PS3 by the day though.

Whether a processor that is upto 12-14% more powerful will ever be utilized is going to depend on developers. Of course, the GPU on the X360 is likewise more powerful and the GPU is the limiting factor most of the time. Either way, it is a good time to be an X360 gamer and the PS3 is supposed to get some more games next year. GT5 will be the game that likely gets me to commit though......

I don't care what it sells, from what I have played of the game, it is stellar. Naughty Dog isn't known for making big selling games, they make good games. EA makes high selling games too, but most of them are junk.

PSN, xbox live, all the same crap. in the end all your doing is logging on to a server and playing online against other players. you message them, they message you, you join games with them, they join games with you. both services offer demos, trailers, wallpapers, videos, downloadable games, downloadable content.. . the main difference, one is free the other isnt. and in terms of the interface, what do you mean interface? playing online has no interface(depends on what game you play) but if your refering to PS store and Xbox market place the interface is indeed different, though they both offer similar things(xbox now has movies and shows right? PSN hasnt done this yet) the PS store is far more organized then it was a year ago. i've seen xbox market place and in 2 years it has indeed accumulated alot of content vs the 1yr PS store, however its essentially the same navigation, you want free demos then click on "free demos" both on PS store and market place.. the main difference between them are the icons, graphics and colors.

the controller only feels "cheap" cause its alot lighter in weight then the 360 controller. have you felt the dual shock 3 yet? alrighty then. the DS3 is available out now in japan(for import) and should be available in NA early next year and from user comparions the DS3 is much heavier then the sixaxis.

i dont understand your last question? "Home" hasnt been released yet, its still in its beta stages and unless your have access to home beta then you'll have to wait until spring 08 to get Home, which its going to be for free too :D .


Well that answers my question. I thought "Home" was out. Controller feels cheap but I would never refrain from buying the PS3 because of that point. Overall the PS3 itself has a lot higher quality feel than the 360 and it is dead quiet. Quiter playing movies than my XA1.

yea i know, beyond stupid quiet. when i first heard the fan(s) of the 360 at my bros-in-laws place afew months before getting my PS3 last november i was literally like "what the hell is that noise"? i thought it was his refrigerator or something, the noise lvl is beyond high, have they fix this issue with the new elite models? i sure do hope so. i always felt the build quality was higher too, the 360 is much much lighter then the ps3 which weighs in at over 5kilos (over 11lbs) plus has anyone ever seen internal pics of both systems? its amazing at the difference.. there was even a website that showed a video of them taking apart the ps3 and the 360, the 360 is like literally, a large heatsnik, motherboard and dvd drive, then they looked at the PS3 and it was like HOLY CRAP, they didnt know where to begin lol, the video can proably be found on youtube now or something

http://content.techrepublic.com.com/2346-10877_11-41891-13.html
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http://content.techrepublic.com.com/2346-10877_11-5652-40.html
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its amazing at the difference.. there was even a website that showed a video of them taking apart the ps3 and the 360, the 360 is like literally, a large heatsnik, motherboard and dvd drive, then they looked at the PS3 and it was like HOLY CRAP, they didnt know where to begin lol

I disagree, its not really that amazing. The difference between the most expensive console in the history of consoles, and a console made of off-the-shelf components speaks for itself. Kinda makes you wonder if Sony is continuing to bleed cash on its PS3 division, dont it? Oh, and tell all that amazing build quality to share holders...Im sure theyd be impressed ;) In the long run, M$ paid a price for lower design quality....but Sony built that loss into the launch, both in time lost to the competition and in the cost of designing from the ground up.

Type A- Here's the deal: I own M$ stock and have for years. Do you think I'm impressed with the profit derived from the 360?
On Topic- My wife was just watching TV and saw the "Drakes Fortune" commercial and thought the graphics were amazing. Truth be told, it isn't my kind of game and I just watch my son play it.
I will NEVER tell my wife that, this is too good of a thing to mess up!

Many wives probably couldn't tell the difference between Halo 3, Drakes unFortune, or Resistance even if they watched their men play it everyday. I guess when something just doesn't interest you, it is not like you are going to pay attention to it. Oh well, at least you got something you wanted for Christmas. If i'm going to get anything this Christmas, I just hope it is in the form of gift certificates because I hate it when people try to give you clothing. They can never guess my size and ends up getting thrown into the closet.

i can't lump my wife into that pile anymore. ever since i got in electronics she started to follow slowly. she used to not care about anything HD but that all changed. for instance,

i bought my pioneer plasma which was supposed to end up in my gaming/sports viewing room but once i decided to get the second tv and get ready to move my pioneer to the basement she was quick to lay the ban hammer down. her quick reaction was "no way that picture is to dam nice". i honestly thought she was talking about how nice it looked on the wall so i told her the sony xbr5 i was going to get would look just as good on the wall. then she explained that the actual picture was to nice for her to give up. i just could not believe it.

then came Bio Shock and she was quick to say "WoW that's a great looking game and it's sick.

convert your wife guys it's a whole different world and makes it so much easier to buy new stuff. watch movies that are amazing looking and let her see her shows/movies in HD and she will follow.

That's a shame, I recently purchased Uncharted: Drake's Fortune and I think it's an amazing game. It's wonderful all around. I'd actually go as far to say anyone who owns a PS3 should at the absolute least rent it. It's a grand achievement in gaming and is up to par with even the best of the games out there all around. This of course is just my own opinion, but I stand strongly on it.

Type A- Here's the deal: I own M$ stock and have for years. Do you think I'm impressed with the profit derived from the 360?

Lol, whether you are impressed or not, even with the extended warranty and service issues, my money is still on M$ to turn a bigger profit on their console than Sony will with theirs. Hell, the fact that Sony will get their arrogant ass handed to them this generation by the 360 is just kinda 'icing on the cake' for me. ;)

Lol, whether you are impressed or not, even with the extended warranty and service issues, my money is still on M$ to turn a bigger profit on their console than Sony will with theirs. Hell, the fact that Sony will get their arrogant ass handed to them this generation by the 360 is just kinda 'icing on the cake' for me. ;)

The X360 is turning a profit now while the PS3 is bleeding cash, so clearly the advantage is in Microsoft's court at this time. However, we are still rather young in the life of consoles this generation as it is still too soon to see how future trends will play out. We know that Microsoft has made key fixes to address the problem areas of their hardware, so I imagine it is all going to come down to software exclusives now. I just hope that 2008 will be just as good of a year for gamers as 2007 was(at least for X360 owners).

After playing the Demo of Drakes I'm almost ready to buy a ps3... The control on this game is sick! It's Gears/ Resident Evil 4/ Tomb Raider all wrapped into one... Can't comment on the graphics as I havent' seen the entire game... They are fab from what I've seen, I wouldn't go as far to say the best just from what I have seen.

Sony.com has 100 dollars off for using there credit card the first time and they are throwing in a free controller... and of course the 5 free movies... So now that they are almost giving the Ps3 away and finally have an exclusive game worth playing I may make the purcahse...

Also... My girlfriend love Bioshock... Watched me play almost the entire game...

Buy stock if you're so impressed. Fact is, the only thing you have invested is what the system cost. Try putting your money where your mouth is. Otherwise, what's in it for you, unless you enjoy fanboy wars?

Lol, whether you are impressed or not, even with the extended warranty and service issues, my money is still on M$ to turn a bigger profit on their console than Sony will with theirs. Hell, the fact that Sony will get their arrogant ass handed to them this generation by the 360 is just kinda 'icing on the cake' for me. ;)

Buy stock if you're so impressed. Fact is, the only thing you have invested is what the system cost. Try putting your money where your mouth is.

Well hell, if the $2000+ spent, in two years, on hardware, software and dlc isnt putting my "money where my mouth is", then I guess Ill just have to go down in history as a true non-supporting fanboy eh? No, on second thought, I think Ill take my chances with a $1000 a year average and have a nice day.

Otherwise, what's in it for you, unless you enjoy fanboy wars?

Oh, thats easy. Its two-fold...I get to watch an arrogant, cocky, and otherwise self-absorbed company like Sony, who could give a shit less about its customers, take second place this generation of consoles, and I get to enjoy top-flight gaming with M$'s profitable console to boot!

Yeah, I think Im doing just fine, but thanks for the financial advise just the same.

Hey F91 you own stock in Microsoft do you own any for Sony?

If you dont mind me asking that is.

You say your on your third 360 and have done nothing more than talk trash about it but you own stock in M$. If you talk so negatively about it why dont you just trade it in for $200 at your local ebgames/gamestop and get more games for your beloved PS3.

Again not attacking you but it just seems weird why someone would take the time on an inferior machine like the 360 to send it in soo many times and own stock in a company whos game system sucks and OS sucks, so you say anyways. I might have missed something or read it out of context and if I did my apologies.

No worries. The whole "stock" thing was in response to Type A bringing the issue up in response to a positive post about a PS3.
I've owned stock in M$ before they even dreamed of an xbox, let alone the 360. My attempt at making a point was that as a stockholder, you view products differently than if you just buy the product. The 360 problems are just ridiculous, but any Windows user knows, common with M$ products. Here's the funny thing though- People continue to buy their stuff. Kind of what happens when companies become something of a monopoly, software-wise anyway.
I will stick with the stock, but it is a shadow of it's former self. I've never even considered Sony, you think it's a good investment?
I also tend to invest mostly in American companies but that is getting more difficult to do. When the time is right, I'll sell, but it has nothing to do with a Video game BB thread as to when I do.
Edit- Full disclosure: The 360 is my sons system, but we play Madden on it, etc.... That said, I have to listen to the complaining about it when it breaks, deal with the shipping issues,pay for XBL, points, you know, Dad stuff. If it was truly just mine, I'd take your advice.
Next edit- Anyone here try Vista? Even my M$ fanboy kid hates it.

Hey F91 you own stock in Microsoft do you own any for Sony?

If you dont mind me asking that is.

You say your on your third 360 and have done nothing more than talk trash about it but you own stock in M$. If you talk so negatively about it why dont you just trade it in for $200 at your local ebgames/gamestop and get more games for your beloved PS3.

Again not attacking you but it just seems weird why someone would take the time on an inferior machine like the 360 to send it in soo many times and own stock in a company whos game system sucks and OS sucks, so you say anyways. I might have missed something or read it out of context and if I did my apologies.

F91 is a troll. he might hold the record for being banned because of his out of control comments. there is no point in spending time on a poster who is going to lie anyways. that's why i only respond to certain posts of his just to make sure the next person who reads it gets the full story and not the 1/2 azz bias truth he is known to give.

I got this game for Christmas, it is the best looking game I have ever seen, it is a blast.

This game is a lot of fun. At first, I was horribly disappointed by the graphics, but as the game progressed a bit, I was happier. The details on faces are minimal, making cutscenes look a little weak, but the environmental textures are nice and the game makes outstanding use of HDR lighting. The combat system is a little weak, and the game seems to lean a little too heavily on combat, but the rest of the game is fun

you havent seen the details on faces in assassins creed then HAHAHAHhaha, you'll laugh your ass off.. the facial animation in that game is a joke, its last gen stuff, uncharted has the highest class of facial animation IMO that i've ever along with R&C and heavenly sword just to name afew.

you havent seen the details on faces in assassins creed then HAHAHAHhaha, you'll laugh your ass off.. the facial animation in that game is a joke, its last gen stuff, uncharted has the highest class of facial animation IMO that i've ever along with R&C and heavenly sword just to name afew.

Yeah I have. The facial details are substantially better in Assassins Creed. Its not the animations that suck in Drakes, its the face detail: there is none. (You're right though, AC facial animations aren't very good) But Uncharted's faces look like last gen faces.

Plus, I just got done playing Mass Effect and Orange Box, and those games have some of the best face detail ever.

This game is a lot of fun. At first, I was horribly disappointed by the graphics, but as the game progressed a bit, I was happier. The details on faces are minimal, making cutscenes look a little weak, but the environmental textures are nice and the game makes outstanding use of HDR lighting. The combat system is a little weak, and the game seems to lean a little too heavily on combat, but the rest of the game is fun

Thank God, I was worried you'd say something like "Halo 3 has better graphics!" ;)

Thank God, I was worried you'd say something like "Halo 3 has better graphics!" ;)

They're close, but Drakes has better detail in most areas. The foliage in drakes is pretty weak, as are the pathetic AI animations; nowhere near Assassins Creed. I hate Halo 3, but if there's one thing that doesn't suck about it, its the graphics, but the aliasing ruin any chance it may have had at being supreme victor in the graphics department.

Now Resistance: Fall of Man... WTF? This game has such horrible graphics I am unable to play it. I thought this was supposed to be state of the art? This game looks like Black

Oh, thats easy. Its two-fold...I get to watch an arrogant, cocky, and otherwise self-absorbed company like Sony, who could give a shit less about its customers, take second place this generation of consoles, and I get to enjoy top-flight gaming with M$'s profitable console to boot!

are you kidding me! its like you just described microsoft but put in sonys name instead.
so if sony is arrogant cocky and dont care about there customers then why are they the ones offering a hicher value product, and LOSING money on every console sold. I have good friends who wouldnt do something like that for me and sony is doing it to strangers. Why? because unlike the arrogant cocky self absorbed give a shit less about its customers american company M$. Sony is based in japan where the culture is different and before greed there are values like honor, dignity, respect, and taking pride in your product. and pride in the name of your company.

I see what sony does for its customers by giving then a 700 dollar console for 500 dollars and offering free online services.

Then i see what m$ does for its customers offering a 250 dollar console for 400 dollars and charging monthly fees for online.

then you wonder who cares about customers and whos greedy and arrogant.
I know which company i support.

are you kidding me! its like you just described microsoft but put in sonys name instead.
so if sony is arrogant cocky and dont care about there customers then why are they the ones offering a hicher value product, and LOSING money on every console sold. I have good friends who wouldnt do something like that for me and sony is doing it to strangers. Why? because unlike the arrogant cocky self absorbed give a shit less about its customers american company M$. Sony is based in japan where the culture is different and before greed there are values like honor, dignity, respect, and taking pride in your product. and pride in the name of your company.

I see what sony does for its customers by giving then a 700 dollar console for 500 dollars and offering free online services.

Then i see what m$ does for its customers offering a 250 dollar console for 400 dollars and charging monthly fees for online.

then you wonder who cares about customers and whos greedy and arrogant.
I know which company i support.

oh how the young ones come here and simply don't know their history or get their info from cracka jack boxes. where are you getting your info from because alot of what you are saying has been proven 100x over and over again. you can support sony all you want but please don't come here thinking you are better schooled in this stuff then most of the people here because from this statment alone i can see you clearly are not.

1. every console is sold at a loss, yup every console no name the Wii. MS and Sony are taking losses and same was true for the ps2 and Xbox, hell lets throw the NES and super Nes into the mix on that one. it's a common thing to sell consoles at a loss and make it back on software and add on items. so please stop giving sony points for losing cashing on the ps3.

2. in what way is the 360 inferior to the ps3, please explain? you seem to think you know it all. yup i read your last posts and you didn't even know the 360 supported 1080p and even thought every ps3 game was 1080p. well guess what that is simply bad info on your part because that could not be further from the truth. ps3's big game drakes fortune is only 720p and hell there are even games that don't support dolby digital. the 360 has not only proven to support 1080p but it has handled it much better. while ps3 games struggle to support that rez the 360 has rolled through 1080p easily. please i'm honestly curious to see you explenation on why the 360 is inferior because it will be the first statment from a professional in this field that claimed so, that is if you are a professional and not some kid with bad info.

3. pride and dignity in their product, OMG it literally took me 5 minutes to stop laughing after i read that statment. sony is known throughout the electronics field as one of the top makers of defective products. it's not a fanboy saying it's a fact. for instance,

sony xbr1 was so defective that it brought up a civil suite and sony is fighting like crazy to keep the defective numbers out of court. i was a owner of this tv and had it repaired over 5x and when sony refused to repair it again i had to use my best buy warranty. it was getting so bad that best buy was turning customers down which had purchased the warranty. luckily i have a good relationship with the best buy i go to becasue i might have been stuck waiting for a lawsuite to settle,

http://www.breakitdownblog.com/class-action-lawsuit-against-sony-for-green-haze-or-green-blob-sxrd-problem/

the sony ps2 was so bad that the civil action ended up settling at such a huge number. infact the ps2 was built so poorly that just before the ps3 launch a sony exec. admitted the ps2 was never built with quality in mind. this is not a fanboy line it came directly from a ps2 exec. and was posted all over the net. later in that same statment i talked about sony admitting it's electronics have dropped off so bad that a major overhaul of the company was coming. a few weeks later the overhaul started and sony started shopping the cell, which it later sold.

http://www.lawcash.com/attorney/2690/sony-computer-entertainment-america-lawsuit.asp

http://www.davis.ca/en/blog/Video-Game-Law/2005/11/10/SONY-SETTLES-PS-LAWSUIT

then there was batteries blowing up made by sony which they refused to replace until someone got hurt. who cares about the homes that where getting burned down becuase that doesnt matter until someone get hurt. defective cameras and video cameras which got recalled.

so please stop coming with this sony overloving b.s., go ahead and support the company but please realize sony is definetly not the high standards company you're trying to make it out to be.


3. where do you get off saying MS is making a $250 console? please bring us a link because that can't be further from the truth. while sony put its design budget into the media area MS put it into the gaming area. sony can use the hype machine all they want but the truth is its hardware has not proven better then anything the 360 has offered. infact when unbias techs are asked to comare the systems architecture more often then not the 360 is given the nod. the ps3 was built with a defect, atleast i call it a defect, because it limits the power of the system. it's making devs double info on disks because the system can't pull the info off the media fast enough. sony should be very happy it used BD because it limited speed it coming back to haunt them.

it not a coincidence that 1080p 60fps games have played better on the 360, did you see all those games which released to horriable frame rates? did you read the articles from devs which stated sony basicaly abandoned them and is not helping them design games? did you read the articles about the actual limitations of the ps3 due to the hardware design?

nope i bet not otherwise this statement about sony being this high and might company could only come from a crazy person. please do some honest research before coming here and making statements which are simply not true because you will get called for bull shat everytime.

Now Resistance: Fall of Man... WTF? This game has such horrible graphics I am unable to play it. I thought this was supposed to be state of the art? This game looks like Black

whats wrong with Black, that was a awesome game, only single player but the graphics where killer for a PS2 game, every review critic agreed.now your trying to compare resistance NOW when theres better graphicaly looking games currently like COD4 etc, thats why resistance looks like crap now compare to those LoL.. when resistance launched last november though, the graphics at the time where great. go try playing COD2 on the 360 LoL...you'll easly say "man these graphics are horrible" and of course it would be, its a 2yr old game, but at the time it came out, the graphics where amazing during the time.

i think uncharted is on its 6th week since release, total worldwide sales is over 550k.. not to shabby :D. if we compare this to something like Heavenly Sword which came out almost two months before uncharted did, heavenly sword has sold alittle uncharter 700k so far. uncharted is not doing that bad after all. its selling alot more copies in UK compare to NA though.

oh how the young ones come here and simply don't know their history or get their info from cracka jack boxes. where are you getting your info from because alot of what you are saying has been proven 100x over and over again. you can support sony all you want but please don't come here thinking you are better schooled in this stuff then most of the people here because from this statment alone i can see you clearly are not.

1. every console is sold at a loss, yup every console no name the Wii. MS and Sony are taking losses and same was true for the ps2 and Xbox, hell lets throw the NES and super Nes into the mix on that one. it's a common thing to sell consoles at a loss and make it back on software and add on items. so please stop giving sony points for losing cashing on the ps3.

2. in what way is the 360 inferior to the ps3, please explain? you seem to think you know it all. yup i read your last posts and you didn't even know the 360 supported 1080p and even thought every ps3 game was 1080p. well guess what that is simply bad info on your part because that could not be further from the truth. ps3's big game drakes fortune is only 720p and hell there are even games that don't support dolby digital. the 360 has not only proven to support 1080p but it has handled it much better. while ps3 games struggle to support that rez the 360 has rolled through 1080p easily. please i'm honestly curious to see you explenation on why the 360 is inferior because it will be the first statment from a professional in this field that claimed so, that is if you are a professional and not some kid with bad info.

3. pride and dignity in their product, OMG it literally took me 5 minutes to stop laughing after i read that statment. sony is known throughout the electronics field as one of the top makers of defective products. it's not a fanboy saying it's a fact. for instance,

sony xbr1 was so defective that it brought up a civil suite and sony is fighting like crazy to keep the defective numbers out of court. i was a owner of this tv and had it repaired over 5x and when sony refused to repair it again i had to use my best buy warranty. it was getting so bad that best buy was turning customers down which had purchased the warranty. luckily i have a good relationship with the best buy i go to becasue i might have been stuck waiting for a lawsuite to settle,

http://www.breakitdownblog.com/class-action-lawsuit-against-sony-for-green-haze-or-green-blob-sxrd-problem/

the sony ps2 was so bad that the civil action ended up settling at such a huge number. infact the ps2 was built so poorly that just before the ps3 launch a sony exec. admitted the ps2 was never built with quality in mind. this is not a fanboy line it came directly from a ps2 exec. and was posted all over the net. later in that same statment i talked about sony admitting it's electronics have dropped off so bad that a major overhaul of the company was coming. a few weeks later the overhaul started and sony started shopping the cell, which it later sold.

http://www.lawcash.com/attorney/2690/sony-computer-entertainment-america-lawsuit.asp

http://www.davis.ca/en/blog/Video-Game-Law/2005/11/10/SONY-SETTLES-PS-LAWSUIT

then there was batteries blowing up made by sony which they refused to replace until someone got hurt. who cares about the homes that where getting burned down becuase that doesnt matter until someone get hurt. defective cameras and video cameras which got recalled.

so please stop coming with this sony overloving b.s., go ahead and support the company but please realize sony is definetly not the high standards company you're trying to make it out to be.


3. where do you get off saying MS is making a $250 console? please bring us a link because that can't be further from the truth. while sony put its design budget into the media area MS put it into the gaming area. sony can use the hype machine all they want but the truth is its hardware has not proven better then anything the 360 has offered. infact when unbias techs are asked to comare the systems architecture more often then not the 360 is given the nod. the ps3 was built with a defect, atleast i call it a defect, because it limits the power of the system. it's making devs double info on disks because the system can't pull the info off the media fast enough. sony should be very happy it used BD because it limited speed it coming back to haunt them.

it not a coincidence that 1080p 60fps games have played better on the 360, did you see all those games which released to horriable frame rates? did you read the articles from devs which stated sony basicaly abandoned them and is not helping them design games? did you read the articles about the actual limitations of the ps3 due to the hardware design?

nope i bet not otherwise this statement about sony being this high and might company could only come from a crazy person. please do some honest research before coming here and making statements which are simply not true because you will get called for bull shat everytime.

allow me to take you down one point at a time.

1. your first paragraph is just childish.
2. second paragraph....only current gen console sold at a loss is ps3...M$ has profited on every 360. (though original xbox was at a loss)
also in what way is the ps3 NOT superior in terms of hardware.! lol. All ps3's have a hard drive. and thats just a basic thing. The cell is more advanced and is like comparing agp with pci express they both seem similar to begin but one has far more potential. How about a blu-ray drive vs. a standard dvd drive. 50 gigs vs 9 gigs. EVERY ps3 has hdmi version 1.3...what version is xbox? most dont even have an hdmi.. Ps3 runs quieter and doesnt red ring of death. Need i say more?
Im aware 360 supports 1080p and never claimed it didnt. you are making things up. And i never claimed every ps3 title was 1080p. drakes fortune, resistance fall of man, unreal tournament 3, ratchet and clank all run at 720p and none of those titles are on 360 so dont claim it can do any better.

3. it apparently took you 5 minutes to not behave like a 14 year old fanboy. yes sony has had defective products and you know what happened? THEY GOT RECALLED. and with the tv and batteries people were reimbursed, and or the products were replaced.
M$ never recalled the 360 or windows vista and insist that there are no problems lol. and with your so called ps3 defect i havent heard of that before, and you provided no proof, and even if you can provide proof of this it wont matter because they could duplicate the all the data 5X and still have MORE room than a standard dvd. lol

And here is your link you wanted about manucacturing costs..mind you this is M$'s so called elite version:
http://adultgamingenthusiasts.com/blogs/age/archive/2007/05/07/how-much-does-it-cost-to-make-a-360.aspx

sorry i gave rough estimates earlier. ps3 is 840 and sold for 600, whereas the 360 elite is 323 and sells for 400.

you can keep your $19.45 dvd drive lol.
i guess those numbers make it painfully obvious which is a higher value product.
so dont get upset because your mom couldnt afford the ps3. the 360 is still a fine console and you should remain content with that. but some people like me want the best there is to offer...im a home entertainment enthusiast so my hobby is having the best equipment and the 360 isnt on my entertainment rack.

and if any game was ever worse on ps3 thats because it came from EA. and was likely a cheap port which speaks nothing of the systems hardware only the developers software.

so please dont make up statements that i never said, and know what your talking about before you make fanboy comments about my posts.

allow me to take you down one point at a time.

1. your first paragraph is just childish.
2. second paragraph....only current gen console sold at a loss is ps3...M$ has profited on every 360. (though original xbox was at a loss)
also in what way is the ps3 NOT superior in terms of hardware.! lol. All ps3's have a hard drive. and thats just a basic thing. The cell is more advanced and is like comparing agp with pci express they both seem similar to begin but one has far more potential. How about a blu-ray drive vs. a standard dvd drive. 50 gigs vs 9 gigs. EVERY ps3 has hdmi version 1.3...what version is xbox? most dont even have an hdmi.. Ps3 runs quieter and doesnt red ring of death. Need i say more?
Im aware 360 supports 1080p and never claimed it didnt. you are making things up. And i never claimed every ps3 title was 1080p. drakes fortune, resistance fall of man, unreal tournament 3, ratchet and clank all run at 720p and none of those titles are on 360 so dont claim it can do any better.

3. it apparently took you 5 minutes to not behave like a 14 year old fanboy. yes sony has had defective products and you know what happened? THEY GOT RECALLED. and with the tv and batteries people were reimbursed, and or the products were replaced.
M$ never recalled the 360 or windows vista and insist that there are no problems lol. and with your so called ps3 defect i havent heard of that before, and you provided no proof, and even if you can provide proof of this it wont matter because they could duplicate the all the data 5X and still have MORE room than a standard dvd. lol

And here is your link you wanted about manucacturing costs..mind you this is M$'s so called elite version:
http://adultgamingenthusiasts.com/blogs/age/archive/2007/05/07/how-much-does-it-cost-to-make-a-360.aspx

sorry i gave rough estimates earlier. ps3 is 840 and sold for 600, whereas the 360 elite is 323 and sells for 400.

you can keep your $19.45 dvd drive lol.
i guess those numbers make it painfully obvious which is a higher value product.
so dont get upset because your mom couldnt afford the ps3. the 360 is still a fine console and you should remain content with that. but some people like me want the best there is to offer...im a home entertainment enthusiast so my hobby is having the best equipment and the 360 isnt on my entertainment rack.

and if any game was ever worse on ps3 thats because it came from EA. and was likely a cheap port which speaks nothing of the systems hardware only the developers software.

so please dont make up statements that i never said, and know what your talking about before you make fanboy comments about my posts.

like you said yourself you had no true idea what it costs you only gave estimates. the 360 was not so cheap to produce until the elite came out,

2. http://www.theregister.co.uk/2005/11/24/xbox360_component_breakdown/

http://www.joystiq.com/2005/12/28/xbox-360-costs-715-to-make/

please stop trying to twist the facts like it costs 250 to produce and costs 400 to buy. that is just not the truth. saying MS has profited off every console is a complete joke. you must be very young and not read alot about this stuff because your statments are only half truths.

Who cares about the HDMI 1.3 because that exact version of hdmi 1.3 is not true 1.3. even sony admitted the HDMI 1.3 in the ps3 does not support certain features 1.3a has. 1.3 is as worthless as 1.2 for comparison sake. if you knew anything about electronics you would know this. that's a fact not a feeling, like you seem to be doing.

again the famous disk size speach. do you know anything about -0- loss compression, i highly doubt but i know you will do a quick google search and try to figure it out. dvd-9 has much better compression and gives devs much easier ability to bring content from the disk to the screen. while the dvd can't can't carry the same ammount of content but it sure is faster. devs have been doubling content everywhere on the BD due to the speed inability of BD. it's a fact.

i own both consoles and i can say nope the quiet test is not true. the 360 is not louder then a ps3. just the other night i'm playing drakes fortune and my cousin was quick to say wow i can hear it coming from your closet. while i have left my 360 on overnight without even knowing it was ever on. please stop the b.s.ing because that is a complete lie, next thing you know you will be saying lcd's use less power then plasmas. you are stating myths not facts.

recalled: is taking your product off the shelf at the first sign of problems. in no case has sony ever recalled the product until it was clear the lawsuit was going to lose.

you're trying to turn that statment into a MS v.s. sony thing but it clearly wasn't. that statment was to show sony is one of the worst offenders for releasing defective products and even sony admitted so. for any fanboy like yourself to not be able to admitt it even after sony admitted it just shows you are a blind ignorant fool.

OMG your a fool when i said defect i clearly explained many times it's a design flaw that is holding the systems potential back. i never said a defect which needed to be recalled. a monkey with half a brain could understand this, oh sorry now that i look back i guess i was giving you to much credit.

don't be upset my mother can't afford me a ps3, wow talk about a facking moron. i probably old enoug to be your father. infact i probably bonned your mother when we where younger so don't hate. yeah i own a $5k pioneer kuro but i can't afford a ps3, 1 speaker in my setup costs more then a ps3 but i can't afford one, oh wait i do own one and bought if not long after launch and also own every game worth having on the ps3,

kid my audio setup alone cost more then everything you own so please dont come with that. atleast check a persons history before trying to talk to them that way. i atleast checked your shots history.

i'm not even going to answer the EA comment because many, many games from numerous devs have shows to be better on the 360 not just EA. but if you actually spent more time doing research then time beating off on sony fanboy.com then you would know that. here do yourself a favor and check for yourself.

www.ign.com
www.gamespot.com
http://www.gamestats.com/

all i can say is

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oh here is your mother :bowdown: after i gave her the :banana:

now lay of beating your :gamer and spend more time researching your info first. you claimed sony made reliable products and started an attack on MS so you started this agrument. nobody enticed you to do this but you took it upon yourself and gave a ton of false info. you and only you are to blame for your stupidity.

like you said yourself you had no true idea what it costs you only gave estimates. the 360 was not so cheap to produce until the elite came out,

2. http://www.theregister.co.uk/2005/11/24/xbox360_component_breakdown/

http://www.joystiq.com/2005/12/28/xbox-360-costs-715-to-make/

please stop trying to twist the facts like it costs 250 to produce and costs 400 to buy. that is just not the truth. saying MS has profited off every console is a complete joke. you must be very young and not read alot about this stuff because your statments are only half truths.

Who cares about the HDMI 1.3 because that exact version of hdmi 1.3 is not true 1.3. even sony admitted the HDMI 1.3 in the ps3 does not support certain features 1.3a has. 1.3 is as worthless as 1.2 for comparison sake. if you knew anything about electronics you would know this. that's a fact not a feeling, like you seem to be doing.

again the famous disk size speach. do you know anything about -0- loss compression, i highly doubt but i know you will do a quick google search and try to figure it out. dvd-9 has much better compression and gives devs much easier ability to bring content from the disk to the screen. while the dvd can't can't carry the same ammount of content but it sure is faster. devs have been doubling content everywhere on the BD due to the speed inability of BD. it's a fact.

i own both consoles and i can say nope the quiet test is not true. the 360 is not louder then a ps3. just the other night i'm playing drakes fortune and my cousin was quick to say wow i can hear it coming from your closet. while i have left my 360 on overnight without even knowing it was ever on. please stop the b.s.ing because that is a complete lie, next thing you know you will be saying lcd's use less power then plasmas. you are stating myths not facts.

recalled: is taking your product off the shelf at the first sign of problems. in no case has sony ever recalled the product until it was clear the lawsuit was going to lose.

you're trying to turn that statment into a MS v.s. sony thing but it clearly wasn't. that statment was to show sony is one of the worst offenders for releasing defective products and even sony admitted so. for any fanboy like yourself to not be able to admitt it even after sony admitted it just shows you are a blind ignorant fool.

OMG your a fool when i said defect i clearly explained many times it's a design flaw that is holding the systems potential back. i never said a defect which needed to be recalled. a monkey with half a brain could understand this, oh sorry now that i look back i guess i was giving you to much credit.

don't be upset my mother can't afford me a ps3, wow talk about a facking moron. i probably old enoug to be your father. infact i probably bonned your mother when we where younger so don't hate. yeah i own a $5k pioneer kuro but i can't afford a ps3, 1 speaker in my setup costs more then a ps3 but i can't afford one, oh wait i do own one and bought if not long after launch and also own every game worth having on the ps3,

kid my audio setup alone cost more then everything you own so please dont come with that. atleast check a persons history before trying to talk to them that way. i atleast checked your shots history.

i'm not even going to answer the EA comment because many, many games from numerous devs have shows to be better on the 360 not just EA. but if you actually spent more time doing research then time beating off on sony fanboy.com then you would know that. here do yourself a favor and check for yourself.

www.ign.com
www.gamespot.com
http://www.gamestats.com/

all i can say is

:lol: :lol: :lol: :lol:
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:lol: :lol: :lol: :lol: :haha:
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oh here is your mother :bowdown: after i gave her the :banana:

now lay of beating your :gamer and spend more time researching your info first. you claimed sony made reliable products and started an attack on MS so you started this agrument. nobody enticed you to do this but you took it upon yourself and gave a ton of false info. you and only you are to blame for your stupidity.

hah hah hah well i just got on this forum yesterday so i have to say im apparently not the expert forum overseer that you are. and i assumed you were young because you use smilies a lot and use frequent insults and comebacks all over your posts. And thats a common trait amongst posters in their teens and high school girls.
congratulations to you for having nicer more expensive stuff than i do. you must feel great about yourself. you probably have a higher paying job than i do too. well good for you that must mean your right and im wrong. you win the bozo button big guy.
i wont quote you anymore because i didnt realize high def forums was your territory. ill go back to my nerdy dungeons and dragons forums.

hah hah hah well i just got on this forum yesterday so i have to say im apparently not the expert forum overseer that you are. and i assumed you were young because you use smilies a lot and use frequent insults and comebacks all over your posts. And thats a common trait amongst posters in their teens and high school girls.
congratulations to you for having nicer more expensive stuff than i do. you must feel great about yourself. you probably have a higher paying job than i do too. well good for you that must mean your right and im wrong. you win the bozo button big guy.
i wont quote you anymore because i didnt realize high def forums was your territory. ill go back to my nerdy dungeons and dragons forums.

I'm not going to respond to this only say read my P.M..

but i will say hey i only brought up what i owned because you stated i didn't have a ps3 due to my mother no being able to afford one. remember you started the whole attack. what you own doesn't make anyone better then the other. so again i only brought that up because what you stated, it was definetly not some attempt to say i'm superior because i own some nice gear.

cool no harm no foul..its all in good fun and controversy anyway... it would be boring without people like you on the other side of the fence

whats wrong with Black, that was a awesome game, only single player but the graphics where killer for a PS2 game, every review critic agreed.now your trying to compare resistance NOW when theres better graphicaly looking games currently like COD4 etc, thats why resistance looks like crap now compare to those LoL.. when resistance launched last november though, the graphics at the time where great. go try playing COD2 on the 360 LoL...you'll easly say "man these graphics are horrible" and of course it would be, its a 2yr old game, but at the time it came out, the graphics where amazing during the time.

i think uncharted is on its 6th week since release, total worldwide sales is over 550k.. not to shabby :D. if we compare this to something like Heavenly Sword which came out almost two months before uncharted did, heavenly sword has sold alittle uncharter 700k so far. uncharted is not doing that bad after all. its selling alot more copies in UK compare to NA though.

Black was a good game with good last gen graphics, and my point was that Resistance's graphics suck bigtime.

COD2 on the 360 has WAY better graphics than Resistance. I can't find my COD2 disc, but COD2 and COD3 were nearly identical, and I just popped in COD3 and the graphics blow Resistance away.

cool no harm no foul..its all in good fun and controversy anyway... it would be boring without people like you on the other side of the fence

other side of the fence? i'm honestly not a fanboy. i owned a xbox for a couple days before trading it in for ps2 games. i owned a ps2 right up until i owned a 360. i bought a ps3 not long after launch and own many sony products (xb1, A3000, dvd players, learning remote, digital camera, surround sound just to name a few). hell i hate windows vista as it limits internet bandwidth according to verison fios and MS themselfs. i also hate how vista locks up my laptop all the time. believe me i'm definetly now MS fanboy.

I'm more of the fair and balanced type who doesn't like putting up with false statement which have been proven wrong. i honestly don't feel you knew some of what you said was wrong and that is why i kept saying you need to do some more research. people on here know their stuff when it comes to gaming and will call you out so much harder then i did.

Black was a good game with good last gen graphics, and my point was that Resistance's graphics suck bigtime.

COD2 on the 360 has WAY better graphics than Resistance. I can't find my COD2 disc, but COD2 and COD3 were nearly identical, and I just popped in COD3 and the graphics blow Resistance away.

well it is a launch title after all. but its also the most complete launch title game you will ever get. online multiplayer with 32 people 4 player split screen with several different game modes a full single player story mode with available split screen co-op. unlockables a rank system about 15-16 different innovative weapons and 4 or 5 different grenades vehicles, awesome tight controlls, and a great story to boot.

you speak like the game looks bad which is not true at all.. ill agree that its not the best, but its not bad even by a long shot. cod3 isnt even close in comparison. 4 however does look better. and if you want to be impressed put in resistance and shoot some windows. it has the BEST glass effects i have ever seen in any game period.

i play both games often and all my friends agree that resistance looks better than cod3.. now 3 to 4 is a huge improvement.

Black was a good game with good last gen graphics, and my point was that Resistance's graphics suck bigtime.

COD2 on the 360 has WAY better graphics than Resistance. I can't find my COD2 disc, but COD2 and COD3 were nearly identical, and I just popped in COD3 and the graphics blow Resistance away.

i was allways confused to why people thought resistance was so good. i also got that same feeling with perfect dark. neither game was great looking but so many people insisted it was. now gears, bio shock, heavenly sword, cod4, and mass effect are great looking games.

Thank God, I was worried you'd say something like "Halo 3 has better graphics!" ;)

But Halo 3 does have better graphics :angel

It is also the start of a brand new year and you guys are at each other already........

you speak like the game looks bad which is not true at all.. ill agree that its not the best, but its not bad even by a long shot. cod3 isnt even close in comparison. 4 however does look better. and if you want to be impressed put in resistance and shoot some windows. it has the BEST glass effects i have ever seen in any game period.

i play both games often and all my friends agree that resistance looks better than cod3.. now 3 to 4 is a huge improvement.

I just did a side by side comparison. Same TV, switching inputs back and forth. This test is more reliable than any memory account you may have.

Call of Duty 3 has much better graphics. Higher resolution textures, more environmental details, the color palette is at least double that of Resistance (the entire game is in that gray hue) and COD3 runs at 60 FPS vs 30 FPS in Resistance. I don't see how you can possibly say that Resistance looks better than COD3. And COD4 blows Resistance out of the water completely.

I just did a side by side comparison. Same TV, switching inputs back and forth. This test is more reliable than any memory account you may have.

Call of Duty 3 has much better graphics. Higher resolution textures, more environmental details, the color palette is at least double that of Resistance (the entire game is in that gray hue) and COD3 runs at 60 FPS vs 30 FPS in Resistance. I don't see how you can possibly say that Resistance looks better than COD3. And COD4 blows Resistance out of the water completely.

well.... i really didnt go that in depth im just stating me and my friends opinions. i never denied 4 looking better as that is obvious, whatever the numbers may say when it came down to a couple of regular joe 360 owners (my buddies) they all say it looks and plays better.... hence the reason we all switched all our multiplayer to resistance until cod 4 came out......but then now there unreal tournament 3...if only they would do a split screen patch!!!!

But Halo 3 does have better graphics :angel

It is also the start of a brand new year and you guys are at each other already........

I just took a look at these two side by side also. VERY close. Both games suffer from lots of aliasing. Both have very high environmental detail.

Here's why Drakes appears to look better: They can hide their graphical flaws easier because you can never see anything up close. The closest you can get to examine a texture is several feet. In Halo 3, you can press your face up against a wall AND zoom in. Drakes has some really cool lighting effects, especially dealing with moist surfaces, and they look really good from a distance. But detail levels and textures are nearly identical.

When you actually examine graphical aspects of these two games side by side, they look very similar. The animations in Drakes are horrible however. The first Mortal Kombat has better blood effects. You shoot someone in the leg and they bend over grasping their head, then continue to attack you

Also, lets make a rule: If you don't actually have the games, your claims about which one has better graphics don't count. I'll pick on Glow for an example: Glow made a comment implying that Halo 3's graphics are nowhere near Drakes. I know Glow doesn't own Halo 3, so its going to be tough for him to make that claim. Now I have both games, so I can actually look at both one after another and make an accurate judgment, so my word is the one we'll be trusting.

well.... i really didnt go that in depth im just stating me and my friends opinions. i never denied 4 looking better as that is obvious, whatever the numbers may say when it came down to a couple of regular joe 360 owners (my buddies) they all say it looks and plays better.... hence the reason we all switched all our multiplayer to resistance until cod 4 came out......but then now there unreal tournament 3...if only they would do a split screen patch!!!!

Oh sweet, what do you think of UT3? I was considering buying it, but I'm going to get it on 360 instead.

UT3, to me has that cartoony Halo 3 feel to it. I just can't get in to those wild colors in a combat game. I guess that's why I lean hard to COD 4 and Resistance. Yes, I have all of these, Drakes too.

i still cant understand how some people (and this is not directed to anyone in particular) can see uncharted as having horrible animation... drake moves with such fluid motion and he moves sooo natural, he looks alive vs. a normal game character. the facial animation is sick too, the way the eyes move, eye brows lift, mouth, lips cheeks.. everything. i wonder if anyone even seen the extra video content on the disc that shows the behind the scenes.. its unreal at the amount of detail they put into the face.

i still cant understand how some people (and this is not directed to anyone in particular) can see uncharted as having horrible animation... drake moves with such fluid motion and he moves sooo natural, he looks alive vs. a normal game character. the facial animation is sick too, the way the eyes move, eye brows lift, mouth, lips cheeks.. everything. i wonder if anyone even seen the extra video content on the disc that shows the behind the scenes.. its unreal at the amount of detail they put into the face.

I'm the only one who has said anything about these items, so lets not pretend that its directed to anyone but me. Don't worry, its fine.

Faces:

At this day an age, developers can accurately recreate the shape of someone's face perfectly. So I want you to pay attention to things like facial details, skin textures, hair and beard textures, etc.

Mass Effect
http://masseffect.bioware.com/_commonext/images/me/screenshots/2007/masseffect_13_745x440.jpg
http://a248.e.akamai.net/f/248/5462/2h/images.gamezone.com/screens/27/9/7/s27907_360_58.jpg
http://i193.photobucket.com/albums/z225/xybapodcast/MassEffectCatface.jpg

Amazing detail all around. Lips move perfectly to words.

Drake's
http://www.jeux-france.com/Webmasters/Images/50901420070830_200010_1_big.jpg
http://jay-t.com/public/gaf/uncharted/uncharted05.jpg
http://www.vgblogger.com/wp-content/uploads/Games/UnchartedDrakesFortune/UnchartedOct1107/Uncharted_drake_elena.jpg

Total lack of skin textures. Drake and the girl must have a good makeup artist. Drake's 5 o'clock shadow is just sprayed on there. The girls hair is made up of about 20 super thick strands. And from what I remember, the faces didn't move very well to words. The mouths seemed to move a bit generically. I'll look for this the next time I play it and follow up. And I'll look at the behind the scenes thing, but it won't change the appearance of the faces in the game cutscenes. *shrug*

Animations:

I can't really show you this, but I can tell you how to find out for yourself. Play Assassin's Creed (best animations to date) and try to get your character to break animation and skip to something. What I mean is, run, jump, climb, etc, and look for breaks in animations; actions that don't go smoothly into another animation. There practically are none. Each animation moves perfectly into another. If you run and quickly stop, every movement from one thing to another is perfectly displayed. Now in Drake's, there are broken animations everywhere. One animation does not move smoothly into another. There will be many points where your character's position changes, but there is no graphical representation of this on your screen.

Now when fighting people, shooting someone in a certain place causes strange reactions from the AI. they'll spin about and grasp a certain part of their body (not always a place where they were actually shot) and then the animation will break and they'll zip back to cover.

The blood from the AI is also horribly done. It looks like big two dimensional blotches of one solid color of red.

Here's a nice picture for your comparison. Thumbs up to HDF for allowing large attachments!

http://www.highdefforum.com/attachment.php?attachmentid=2061&stc=1&d=1199317863

Here's a full, uncompressed version

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How about we compare fun, which games are about, not graphics. Drake owns Mass Effect in having a good ass time.

How about we compare fun, which games are about, not graphics. Drake owns Mass Effect in having a good ass time.

Fun is a subjective measure, so lets not.

And actually, Mass Effect kicks Uncharted's ass in just about every review, so thats not really the best argument. I don't personally think Uncharted is all that incredible. Its fun, but its not exactly calling my name out when there's something good on TV.

nice pics. but no really i wasnt pointing anything towards you, theres others and even on other forums i go to that some people say the same thing. i guess to each his own :D . i cant speak for ME cause i've only seen video clips of it(even in HD) and never notice the faces look anywhere near like those pics, are those pics just from a cinematic shot?

nice pics. but no really i wasnt pointing anything towards you, theres others and even on other forums i go to that some people say the same thing. i guess to each his own :D . i cant speak for ME cause i've only seen video clips of it(even in HD) and never notice the faces look anywhere near like those pics, are those pics just from a cinematic shot?

Nope, those are in game shots. The cinematic are all rendered in game. And when you talk to someone, it gets a closeup of your guy's face, which is what those are shots of

Nope, those are in game shots. The cinematic are all rendered in game. And when you talk to someone, it gets a closeup of your guy's face, which is what those are shots of

I love how Mass effect looks, I mean those shots are literally what it looks like in game. You can see all the lines in his face from his brow to the age lines under his eyes and smile lines outside his mouth and even the attention they give to the scars in his hair and the realistic stubble..

I always thought drakes animations were awesome and they still are but I agree now that it just looks unnatural. They either as Nstruder said have makeup artists with them the entire time or they are like 12 years old. There is barely any detail on there faces even when talking..

Both are good games none the less but I would give the edge to ME in just about every department. That is not to take anything away from Drakes which is a great title for the PS3 to have.

MY kid took ME back and got a credit and bought UT for the PS3. He said ME was "boring". UT , to me, looks kind of stupid and mindless. Drakes seems to have a plot and engages the player. My wife even likes the story.

did ME win game of the year? if not then i wonder why... .. its so funny, this thread is going on 8freaking pages and we're just talking about whatever LoL hahahah

i know vgchartz is not the most reliable source, however their numbers do give a general idea. Uncharted is still doing pretty darn good(not bad, but not OH MY GOD WOW) .. http://vgchartz.com/games/game.php?id=12778 .. .. worldwide sales, over 700k in 7weeks, there was a big increase for other countries more then likely its related in UK. this and assassins creed is doing great in UK.

did ME win game of the year? if not then i wonder why... .. its so funny, this thread is going on 8freaking pages and we're just talking about whatever LoL hahahah

With as much searching as you do on the net Ed im sure you know it did not win GOTY.. I think if you enjoyed a game like Folklore (which was fun) than you would really love Mass Effect. It is an awesome game and once it goes multi platform(possibly the 2nd and 3rd anways) everyone will get to enjoy it...

Dont worry though I believe Drakes is only going to get better in the next two months what with the influx of new owners and all. I know some are just for BRD playback but even some of those will want this title to demo the sleek graphics to their friends..

actually no i couldnt remember what game won goty, and i didnt want to search google(i got lazy lol) but i knew it was a toss up somewhere around cod4, me and halo 3(duh of course), also i think theres more then "one and only solid game award in a year" so i wasnt too sure

Oh sweet, what do you think of UT3? I was considering buying it, but I'm going to get it on 360 instead.

ut3 is an amazing game but is lacking some features like anty form of spit screen....but its several months before its out for 360 so it may have it by then.

the only downside is the 360 wont support user created content like the ps3.... a patch is already in the works to add the split screen though.

Not this n00b again...UT3 has bombed on PS3 and PC and its not because its lack of splitscreen :lol:

ut3 is an amazing game but is lacking some features like anty form of spit screen....but its several months before its out for 360 so it may have it by then.

the only downside is the 360 wont support user created content like the ps3.... a patch is already in the works to add the split screen though.

Alright god damnit, now I'm pissed. Drake's Fortune has officially made my shit list.

(*some plot spoilers below, but you might want to read them to save yourself the pain of finding this shit out on your own)

Drakes was going great. Interesting story, great characters, decent enemies. I want to meet the asshole who decided that we need freakin mutants to battle 2/3 of the way through the game. WTF? Why does every game have to have some kind of fast moving zombie/mutant creature that totally destroys the plot? This game was believable, the story at least. It had class. Now the story is just another pile of shit coughed up by some dork with a computer science degree. And not to mention Drake's Fortune does not have an amazing combat system. Its good, but its horrible for fast moving enemies. Its not fun.

Oh, and five minutes before the mutants show up, Drake can take about 6 bullets before he dies. Now suddenly ONE swipe from a crawling mutated freak and he's dead? WTF? And these creatures are from the Nazi era. So am I to believe that these things sat in some bunker for 70 years with no food and survived? Please. My desire to finish this game just went right out the window.

Alright god damnit, now I'm pissed. Drake's Fortune has officially made my shit list.

(*some plot spoilers below, but you might want to read them to save yourself the pain of finding this shit out on your own)

Drakes was going great. Interesting story, great characters, decent enemies. I want to meet the asshole who decided that we need freakin mutants to battle 2/3 of the way through the game. WTF? Why does every game have to have some kind of fast moving zombie/mutant creature that totally destroys the plot? This game was believable, the story at least. It had class. Now the story is just another pile of shit coughed up by some dork with a computer science degree. And not to mention Drake's Fortune does not have an amazing combat system. Its good, but its horrible for fast moving enemies. Its not fun.

Oh, and five minutes before the mutants show up, Drake can take about 6 bullets before he dies. Now suddenly ONE swipe from a crawling mutated freak and he's dead? WTF? And these creatures are from the Nazi era. So am I to believe that these things sat in some bunker for 70 years with no food and survived? Please. My desire to finish this game just went right out the window.

You bought a PS3? :haha:

Just kidding. :thumbsup:

Yeah, I hated that part of the game. But finish it, man, it's a good game. The monster part doesn't last very long.... even if they are a bitch to kill compared to the bad guys.

You bought a PS3? :haha:

Just kidding. :thumbsup:

Yeah, I hated that part of the game. But finish it, man, it's a good game. The monster part doesn't last very long.... even if they are a bitch to kill compared to the bad guys.

Good, thats a huge relief to know.

Yeah I decided that I was sick of not having access to half the library of high def movies. And to be totally honest, if I had to make a list of my top favorite 30 movies, Blu Ray has more of them than HD-DVD. They both have good stuff, but you can't ignore the fact that Blu Ray has a lot of major blockbusters. I was sick of being pissed at the world for not switching to HD-DVD, so I got the 40gig system with the 5 free BD movies and Spider Man 3 for $399. (Which isn't a terrible deal... its actually quite reasonable)

I was happy because I figured Sony would actually lose money on this transaction, especially if I never buy any software... but I ended up getting Ninja Gaiden Sigma and Uncharted - Drake's Fortune... But thats where I'm drawing the line. No more PS3 games. Anything multiplatform will be bought for the 360, since its better. =)

And I in no way condone the purchase of a Sony product. And I do not in any way change my feelings or position on the format war. But with 3 Pirates movies out on Blu Ray alone with Rush Hour 3, I was backed into a corner, forced to make a move.

Hey N- How do you like the wireless features of the PS3? I love being able to bluetooth and network stuff with the PS3 and not having to buy anything to do it.

Good, thats a huge relief to know.

Yeah I decided that I was sick of not having access to half the library of high def movies. And to be totally honest, if I had to make a list of my top favorite 30 movies, Blu Ray has more of them than HD-DVD. They both have good stuff, but you can't ignore the fact that Blu Ray has a lot of major blockbusters. I was sick of being pissed at the world for not switching to HD-DVD, so I got the 40gig system with the 5 free BD movies and Spider Man 3 for $399. (Which isn't a terrible deal... its actually quite reasonable)

I was happy because I figured Sony would actually lose money on this transaction, especially if I never buy any software... but I ended up getting Ninja Gaiden Sigma and Uncharted - Drake's Fortune... But thats where I'm drawing the line. No more PS3 games. Anything multiplatform will be bought for the 360, since its better. =)

And I in no way condone the purchase of a Sony product. And I do not in any way change my feelings or position on the format war. But with 3 Pirates movies out on Blu Ray alone with Rush Hour 3, I was backed into a corner, forced to make a move.

I am really proud of you man. As time goes on you'll love it more & more.

i still cant understand how some people (and this is not directed to anyone in particular) can see uncharted as having horrible animation... drake moves with such fluid motion and he moves sooo natural, he looks alive vs. a normal game character. the facial animation is sick too, the way the eyes move, eye brows lift, mouth, lips cheeks.. everything. i wonder if anyone even seen the extra video content on the disc that shows the behind the scenes.. its unreal at the amount of detail they put into the face.


i think what alot of people see is how he walks against the ground. it's kinda like the effect we are used to seeing in NBA live, almost like sliding accross the ground.

when i was playing for the first time i didn't notice it but my cousin pointed it out. once i saw it i could not stop seeing it. but the rest of his body movments are fluid.

How about we compare fun, which games are about, not graphics. Drake owns Mass Effect in having a good ass time.


i'm fairly sure the majority would vote the other way with that. remember mass effect won major awards while drakes wasn't even considered.

nice pics. but no really i wasnt pointing anything towards you, theres others and even on other forums i go to that some people say the same thing. i guess to each his own :D . i cant speak for ME cause i've only seen video clips of it(even in HD) and never notice the faces look anywhere near like those pics, are those pics just from a cinematic shot?


so then you really can't give an accurate opinion if you have no first hand experience. drake's just can't compare to mass effect. the skin and face detail in that game is second to none (well maybe bio shock).

i honestly don't see how people can argue or make comparisons without ever seeing what they are comparing first hand. that's like me saying a bentley drives better then a rolls without ever driving in one. sure i have seen them drive on tv but what good is that. i believe we all know by now you can't get a true feel for a game through online videos or demos. i have see way to many cases where a demo or video looks horriable but then the game is great and vise versa.

I am really proud of you man. As time goes on you'll love it more & more.

or like most non sony fanboys who happen to own both systems you will watch it collect dust as 1 decent game comes out every quarter. hey just saying remember how many people have come here with that same line over and over again. i'm also in that same boat.

yea the part in drakes when those monsters come out, i dont know, it put me off really bad too, i said to myself right away "oh well f-king no their including stupid monsters now" i was literally like "WTF!?" . however again it is short and does not last long(the part of the monsters) i do agree that they are very very hard to kill and they kill you very easily, however what i liked about it after wards the explaination of those montsers which is what i really wanted to know, i would have been really really mad if it was a stupid explaination, however "El dorado" statue had a cruse so thats what happened to all those people, however i do agree its alittle werid that they stayed monsters and alive for that long, but then again has anyone ever seen "The Cave"? its almost the same thing...

Hey N- How do you like the wireless features of the PS3? I love being able to bluetooth and network stuff with the PS3 and not having to buy anything to do it.

Sweet. Its a hell of a deal. WiFi built in, that was nice, as I currently live in an apartment and had to drill a hole in my wall to run a cat-5 cable to my Xbox, and didn't want to get another one. Wireless control with built in battery is nice too. Those are things you forget about, then you get home and you're like, "shit, I forgot to buy rechargeable batteries."

Although to be completely honest, I will probably almost never use the PS3 online. I only really play online video games with 2 people; my brother and my old roommate from college, and they have 360's with no intention of getting a PS3. Plus, Xbox Live is too awesome to ever consider getting a multi platform online game for PS3.

But its still pretty nice to have out of the box. A good value for sure.

I am really proud of you man. As time goes on you'll love it more & more.

well now with this Warner announcement... I can hardly believe it. HD-DVD... it just makes so much more sense. You have regular DVD's, and when you want your DVD's in High Def, you get HD-DVD's. :(

or like most non sony fanboys who happen to own both systems you will watch it collect dust as 1 decent game comes out every quarter. hey just saying remember how many people have come here with that same line over and over again. i'm also in that same boat.

Bought it for the Blu Ray player... (and Ninja Gaiden Sigma.... I'm a Ninja Gaiden freak.)

so then you really can't give an accurate opinion if you have no first hand experience. drake's just can't compare to mass effect. the skin and face detail in that game is second to none (well maybe bio shock).

i honestly don't see how people can argue or make comparisons without ever seeing what they are comparing first hand. that's like me saying a bentley drives better then a rolls without ever driving in one. sure i have seen them drive on tv but what good is that. i believe we all know by now you can't get a true feel for a game through online videos or demos. i have see way to many cases where a demo or video looks horriable but then the game is great and vise versa.

I hate it when we agree. :)

If the PS3 had all the killer games which are on the 360 then it would be selling alot better than it is. If the games were available i would get rid of my 360 as it is not reliable, even after being fixed numerous times.

If the PS3 had all the killer games which are on the 360 then it would be selling alot better than it is. If the games were available i would get rid of my 360 as it is not reliable, even after being fixed numerous times.

gotta love the noobs.:hithere:

gotta love the noobs.:hithere:

noob where :huh