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Best antenna for KCAL 9 HD? South CA

dodgersfreak
11-06-2007, 01:53 AM
Lakers started and I hate the KCAL 9 in SD . I have the 622 receiver. What's the best way to get KCAL 9 in HD?

DodgerKing
11-06-2007, 06:55 AM
Lakers started and I hate the KCAL 9 in SD . I have the 622 receiver. What's the best way to get KCAL 9 in HD?

Where do you live? I live about 60 miles east of LA and I use a cheep set of rabbit ears behind my TV. I can pick up every network and all of there feeds with no problem.

Nice name BTW:thumbsup:

tvfilmman
11-06-2007, 08:20 AM
I live in Ventura and get all the LA digital channels, but need an antenna on roof and amp, I'm a long way from Mt. Wilson. There is a web site I think it's called antennaweb that gives you what is the best antenna for you area.

EditWiz
11-06-2007, 10:30 AM
I live in the Huntington Harbour area of Huntington Beach and also have a 622 receiver. I bought an amplified indoor antenna from Radio Shack for $40 or $50, placed it in the window facing the direction of Mount Wilson, and had the TV memorize all of the local channels. In addition to the major networks and channels 5, 9, and 13, I get the PBS stations from both LA and OC (some good HD stuff can be found on those).

gwhoughton
11-06-2007, 12:33 PM
Lakers started and I hate the KCAL 9 in SD . I have the 622 receiver. What's the best way to get KCAL 9 in HD?

Hi~ I live in North Hollywood in an apartment on the 2nd floor of a 2 story bldg., and I bought a Zenith (I think) Silver Sensor from Sears for about $20-25. It works really well...

Yes616
11-06-2007, 12:52 PM
The OP seems to want to use the 622 to get the signal. It has a ATSC tuner that will ONLY pick up digital signals.

How far away from the signal source (Mt. Wilson) will help us guide you to your antenna solution.

You can also go to www.antennaweb.org and check out what that site has to say.

KCAL-DT seems to be on channel 43 so a UHF antenna would be required.

I am near NYC and I will just need to sit it out a bit longer before I deceide on an OTA antenna as many NYC digital signals are on UHF and may move when NTSC (analog transmissions) go away in 2/2009.

DodgerKing
11-06-2007, 01:10 PM
The OP seems to want to use the 622 to get the signal. It has a ATSC tuner that will ONLY pick up digital signals.

How far away from the signal source (Mt. Wilson) will help us guide you to your antenna solution.

You can also go to www.antennaweb.org and check out what that site has to say.

KCAL-DT seems to be on channel 43 so a UHF antenna would be required.

I am near NYC and I will just need to sit it out a bit longer before I deceide on an OTA antenna as many NYC digital signals are on UHF and may move when NTSC (analog transmissions) go away in 2/2009.

KCAL-DT HD is a VHF source on channel 9-1 OTA. The RF channel number is 43 (UHF).

http://www.socaltvradio.com/intercept/latv.htm

DodgerKing
11-06-2007, 01:50 PM
KCAL-DT HD is a VHF source on channel 9-1 OTA. The RF channel number is 43 (UHF).

http://www.socaltvradio.com/intercept/latv.htm

Actually, I stand corrected. All of the DT broadcast on UHF. All you need is a UHF antenna. Weird thing is I have a cheep set of rabbit ears, basically a VHF antenna, and I get all of the HD and DT broadcast including all of the substations such as 4.1 KNBC HD, 4.2 KNBC raw news, and KNBC 4.4 (24 hour weather). I also live 60 miles from the source.'

As YES (good group BTW) has said, you should probably get an amplified UHF antenna and everything should work fine.

BrianO
11-06-2007, 03:02 PM
KCAL-DT HD is a VHF source on channel 9-1 OTA. The RF channel number is 43 (UHF).

http://www.socaltvradio.com/intercept/latv.htm

It is the RF channel number (43) that determines whether it is UHF or VHF broadcast. The Virtual channel number (9.1) is nothing more than a label that tells you nothing about the actual frequency being used for the digital broadcast. It is merely used to identify the station using the channel number that the viewers are used to for that station. The relationship between virtual channel number 9.1 and the actual channel being (43) used for the broadcast is stored in the digital tuner. Once the viewer has run the channel set up routine, every time he/she tunes to 9.1 the tuner will automatically tune into UHF channel 43.

At present all LA stations are broadcasting their digital programs on UHF. However, once the analogue broadcasts are terminated in February 2009, the 4 stations currently broadcasting analogue on the VHF-Hi band (channels 7-13) will shift their digital broadcasts from UHF to the channels they are currently using for analogue. KABC, KCAL, KTTV and KCOP will switch their digital broadcasts to channels, 7, 9, 11 and 13 respectively.

The LA stations currently broadcasting analogue on VHF-Lo (channels 2 to 6) will remain on UHF for digital broadcasts. KNBC and KLTA will stay on their current digital channels (36 and 31 respectively) but KCBS will move its digital broadcasts from channel 60 to channel 43 (the channel currently being used by KCAL).

So, while a UHF-only antenna is sufficient for receiving all LA digital stations at the moment, an antenna capable of receiving the VHF-Hi channels (7 to 13) will be also required in 2009. If your current antenna can receive the current analogue broadcasts on channels 7, 9, 11 and 13, then it should also be able to pick up the digital broadcasts on those channels after the switch in 2009.

dodgersfreak
11-06-2007, 03:04 PM
Thanks for all the replys I live in San Bernardino less than half mile from the mountians. I guess I'll try any HD indoor antenna and see what happens.

BrianO
11-06-2007, 03:11 PM
Thanks for all the replys I live in San Bernardino less than half mile from thte mountians. I guess I'll try any HD indoor antenna and see what happens.

Actually there is no such thing as an HD antenna. It is a marketing ploy. Antennas are VHF, UHF or combined VHF-UHF. You need to determine what channels (2-13 are VHF, 14 and above are UHF) the stations you want to receive are actually broadcasting on to determine what type of antenna is required. In LA there will be both VHF and UHF stations broadcasting HD/digital after February 17, 2009.

DodgerKing
11-06-2007, 04:00 PM
It is the RF channel number (43) that determines whether it is UHF or VHF broadcast. The Virtual channel number (9.1) is nothing more than a label that tells you nothing about the actual frequency being used for the digital broadcast. It is merely used to identify the station using the channel number that the viewers are used to for that station. The relationship between virtual channel number 9.1 and the actual channel being (43) used for the broadcast is stored in the digital tuner. Once the viewer has run the channel set up routine, every time he/she tunes to 9.1 the tuner will automatically tune into UHF channel 43.

At present all LA stations are broadcasting their digital programs on UHF. However, once the analogue broadcasts are terminated in February 2009, the 4 stations currently broadcasting analogue on the VHF-Hi band (channels 7-13) will shift their digital broadcasts from UHF to the channels they are currently using for analogue. KABC, KCAL, KTTV and KCOP will switch their digital broadcasts to channels, 7, 9, 11 and 13 respectively.

The LA stations currently broadcasting analogue on VHF-Lo (channels 2 to 6) will remain on UHF for digital broadcasts. KNBC and KLTA will stay on their current digital channels (36 and 31 respectively) but KCBS will move its digital broadcasts from channel 60 to channel 43 (the channel currently being used by KCAL).

So, while a UHF-only antenna is sufficient for receiving all LA digital stations at the moment, an antenna capable of receiving the VHF-Hi channels (7 to 13) will be also required in 2009. If your current antenna can receive the current analogue broadcasts on channels 7, 9, 11 and 13, then it should also be able to pick up the digital broadcasts on those channels after the switch in 2009.

Thanks for that. I did not realize most of this. Learn something new everyday.

derond
11-06-2007, 08:30 PM
KCAL should come in pretty strong for you as I get a "70" on signal strength on my 622 in San Diego. I am 115 miles away.....

gwhoughton
11-07-2007, 08:18 AM
Thanks for all the replys I live in San Bernardino less than half mile from the mountians. I guess I'll try any HD indoor antenna and see what happens.

Seriously... If you want to try a simple solution, go to Sears and grab the Silver Sensor. It works great for me, and I watch mostly the same channels you do dodgersfreak since we both live in So Cal~

Search this forum for Silver Sensor and you will see many good comments about them. I use mine right on my set top, but I have seen a few instances where people have mounted them outdoors under an eve or something with great results~ Hard to go wrong for under $25.00! :banana:

r00st3r
03-06-2008, 10:50 AM
I don't mean to hi-jack the thread, but since you all live in So Cal maybe you can help me make some decisions.If you want me to start a new thread, i will just let me know.

I cannot get a good signal on KTTV Fox 11.1 (65). Here is what I have.
VC = Virtual Channel,
PC = Physical Channel,
SS = Sig Strength,
SQ = Sig Quality All figures are from tvfool(dot)com in order of sig strength. I tried to line them up, but it wouldn't format correctly.


Call Sign VC PC SS SQ dbm Dist.(mi)
KNBC 4 36 84% 95% -47.1 17
KCAL 9 43 78% 95% -50.8 17.1
KTLA 5 31 78% 85% -44.4 17.1
KCBS 2 60 62% 67% -50.3 17.5
KABC 7 53 60% 69% -53.7 17.1
KCOP 13 66 46% 33% -52 16.9
KTTV 11 65 43% 27% -47.5 16.9


So, I am less than 20 miles from Mt Wilson. I have the antenna (One of those old big suckers that came with the house in the 60's) pointed directly at Mt Wilson (at least the direction that gets the highest signal) mounted to my chimney about 22ft above ground. I am using the HDHomerun tuner and it scans all the channels. All come in good except KTTV, but as you can see, signal strength could be better all around. I have seen in this post people living over 10 miles away (San Diego) that can pick up the damn thing, but I can't. Is the problem my antenna? Should I start with that before picking up an antenna booster? Anyone else in this area picking them all up and if so, what antenna are you using? Any help would be appreciated. Thanks!

DodgerKing
03-06-2008, 11:10 AM
So, I am less than 20 miles from Mt Wilson. I have the antenna (One of those old big suckers that came with the house in the 60's) pointed directly at Mt Wilson (at least the direction that gets the highest signal) mounted to my chimney about 22ft above ground. I am using the HDHomerun tuner and it scans all the channels. All come in good except KTTV, but as you can see, signal strength could be better all around. I have seen in this post people living over 10 miles away (San Diego) that can pick up the damn thing, but I can't. Is the problem my antenna? Should I start with that before picking up an antenna booster? Anyone else in this area picking them all up and if so, what antenna are you using? Any help would be appreciated. Thanks!

I am 30 miles from Mt. Wilson with a direct line of sight to Mt. Wilson. I have an inexpensive indoor amplified antenna stuck behind my TV and I get all of the OTA HD locals with no problem. I don't use it much any more since Direct provides just about every local in HD now (KCBS, KNBC, KTLA - CW, KABC, KCAL, KTTV- Fox, and KCOP - MNT). If you can see Mt. Wilson, then an indoor non directional antenna should work fine.

r00st3r
03-06-2008, 12:27 PM
Would it work better than the outdoor one I am using? I heard the outdoor ones were the best. I was looking up the Silver Sensor people were talking about from Sears and antennaweb says from my location a multi directional antenna is my best bet. I am going top pick up a medium mutli directional antenna today and try it out this evening.

DodgerKing
03-06-2008, 12:30 PM
Would it work better than the outdoor one I am using? I heard the outdoor ones were the best. I was looking up the Silver Sensor people were talking about from Sears and antennaweb says from my location a multi directional antenna is my best bet. I am going top pick up a medium mutli directional antenna today and try it out this evening.

Outdoors are better because they are less likely to have interference from something blocking the signal and they are bigger. An amplified unobstructed indoor antenna can work even better.

Have you been to antennaweb.org yet?

http://www.antennaweb.org/aw/welcome.aspx

r00st3r
03-06-2008, 02:35 PM
Yes, I have been to antennaweb and tvfool (that's where I got the values in my initial post). maybe I'll run by Bestbuy this evening and get an indoor with an amplifier to test it out, if it doesn't work, I can take it back.

r00st3r
03-06-2008, 02:36 PM
How about one like this?

r00st3r
03-06-2008, 02:37 PM
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r00st3r
03-06-2008, 02:37 PM
http://www.bestbuy.com/site/olspage.jsp?skuId=7322587&type=product&id=1118844608800

It's already amplified. (sorry had to post 5 times to post the link..:haha: )

DodgerKing
03-06-2008, 05:55 PM
Here is what I have.

http://cdn.overstock.com/images/products/etilize/images/300/10989956.jpg

I got it for $25 at Best Buy and even behind my TV I get a signal on all channels. I don't even have the VHF rabbit ears up. I am only using the UHF portion. I just rotated it to the proper direction and waaalaaa...

r00st3r
03-06-2008, 07:35 PM
That is awsome! It's only $19 now. If I split it 3 x's will I need an amp?

r00st3r
03-06-2008, 10:05 PM
I picked one up for $30 (amplified). It seems to pull in all the channels, but I have to keep moving it around. I may just have to find a spot that works for all and cement the damn thin in place so it doesn't move. You would think being less than 20 mi. from Mt Wilson I wouldn't have this problem.

ship7
12-10-2009, 06:09 PM
Hi,
I'm new to this site. I've been searching and looking for OTA installers to help me with my new HDTV. I don't want cable anymore and am wondering if anyone know of a good and dependable installers in my area of Ventura County. We live in Moorpark. Is it easy to install thru the roof? How do they do it? Thru the chimney?
I also need your recommedation of a good antenna that's best for Ventura County... Can anyone here know what channel lineup do we get in the area with OTA? Are they all HD or mostly standard? Good picture? Please help. Thank you!
~Heidi

camera_tech
12-10-2009, 08:57 PM
Lakers started and I hate the KCAL 9 in SD . I have the 622 receiver. What's the best way to get KCAL 9 in HD?


Don't you get the locals package? 2,4,5,7,9, & 11 are all HD on the locals package for I think only another $5 a month.

As for an antenna, I live in Riverside. 7, 9, & 11 are VHF signals so you need an antenna that gets both VHF and UHF (they dropped back down to VHF with the digital switch).

I only use my antenna for PBS - and occasionally THIS (5.2)