Good news for PS3 owners.

http://ps3.ign.com/articles/791/791050p1.html?RSSwhen2007-05-23_063600&RSSid=791050

http://ps3.ign.com/articles/791/791050p1.html?RSSwhen2007-05-23_063600&RSSid=791050

And bad news here:
Blu-Ray Changes (http://www.dailytech.com/article.aspx?newsid=6702)

2 interesting articles.

Glad to see that the PS3 is finally getting the upconvert capability. We knew it was coming. Now PS3 owners can enjoy their existing DVD's in an improved PQ as opposed to what they have been viewing.

As far as the 2nd article - also know - and it only affects about 30,000 people as that is the last sales number we heard for 1st Gen BD players. It doesn't seem to affect PS3 owners where the lions share of the BD owners reside.

I wonder if the new 2nd Gen players are compatible with the BD-Java format?

Does anyone know for sure?

2 interesting articles.

Glad to see that the PS3 is finally getting the upconvert capability. We knew it was coming. Now PS3 owners can enjoy their existing DVD's in an improved PQ as opposed to what they have been viewing.

As far as the 2nd article - also know - and it only affects about 30,000 people as that is the last sales number we heard for 1st Gen BD players. It doesn't seem to affect PS3 owners where the lions share of the BD owners reside.

I wonder if the new 2nd Gen players are compatible with the BD-Java format?

Does anyone know for sure?

About time. Cant enjoy my best DVD's, and many aint coming to Bluray anytime soon.

These are strong confident words.

"The capability to upscale DVDs to HD quality is a feature normally only associated with top range DVD players, and its inclusion in the latest firmware upgrade now allows PS3 owners with an existing DVD collection to dramatically enhance the viewing pleasure of their DVD collection when viewed through a compatible HD TV set1. Not only can DVD movies be enhanced to full 1080p HD quality but so too will PlayStation 2 and PlayStation games be upscaled to provide much improved gaming pleasure."

And bad news here:
Blu-Ray Changes (http://www.dailytech.com/article.aspx?newsid=6702)

No- in order to be "news"- it has to actually be "new"

And bad news here:
Blu-Ray Changes (http://www.dailytech.com/article.aspx?newsid=6702)

No problem.

We have firmware. Updates will fix almost all issues, which makes the PS3 the greatest system ever.

No- in order to be "news"- it has to actually be "new"

An article 3 weeks old is old news?:eek:

An article 3 weeks old is old news?:eek:

The article is dated April 2nd, making it more than 7 weeks old, and was a little behind the times even when it was written. On a tech forum- yes, that's ancient.

It's also not relevant to the topic at hand, as it won't apply to PS3 owners, who are expected to see full BD Java support. I can tell by the little motto underneath your username that you probably stand to let any good news about a Sony product slip by without finding some sort of way to undermine it - just try to find something more relevant next time. Maybe go with, "Too bad they're not selling.." or "I already know, because David Manning told me..." - something along those lines.

The article is dated April 2nd, making it more than 7 weeks old, and was a little behind the times even when it was written. On a tech forum- yes, that's ancient.

It's also not relevant to the topic at hand, as it won't apply to PS3 owners, who are expected to see full BD Java support. I can tell by the little motto underneath your username that you probably stand to let any good news about a Sony product slip by without finding some sort of way to undermine it - just try to find something more relevant next time. Maybe go with, "Too bad they're not selling.." or "I already know, because David Manning told me..." - something along those lines.

Geez, it is May already?
The link I supplied came from Here. (http://gizmodo.com/gadgets/home-entertainment/blu+ray-spec-change-may-cause-problems-for-old-players-249368.php)
which does say since the Playstation 3 has an ethernet port it will be ok.
Me need more coffee so I can focus.:crying:

To get back on topic for the OP, this is great news for the PS3 owners out there. I know it was strongly rumored to get this update, but I am glad that Sony actually did it.

I wonder if this update will improve actual 480p playback of SD DVDs with this, and if the Secrets Benchmarking site will do a followup with this update. The gave the PS3 a horrible score for SD DVD playback, but maybe they did more than just provide upscaling with it. One can hope for those who are using it for all their disc playback needs.

Good news for me then, i like th PS3 alot.

I run mine off wifi, so i get updates via the net from the wireless.

Sweet gaming too

Take this with a big old grain of salt- we're squarely in rumorville here- but there's a poster over at AVS that foretold of this firmware update last night. He claims to have inside info, etc.

Anyways- he is now saying that 1080p/24 output as well as 720p BR playback are also enabled in FW 1.8. I suppose we'll know soon enough whether or not he's full of it...

http://www./avs-vb/showthread.php?t=848571&page=3&pp=30

Link wont work because AVS is blocked.

Good news for me then, i like th PS3 alot.

I run mine off wifi, so i get updates via the net from the wireless.

Sweet gaming too

same here :)

Take this with a big old grain of salt- we're squarely in rumorville here- but there's a poster over at AVS that foretold of this firmware update last night. He claims to have inside info, etc.

Anyways- he is now saying that 1080p/24 output as well as 720p BR playback are also enabled in FW 1.8. I suppose we'll know soon enough whether or not he's full of it...

http://www./avs-vb/showthread.php?t=848571&page=3&pp=30

Its not a rumour man, its a fact.

Here is an article from Engadet on what the update will do:

Hot on the heels of an 80GB Korean-bound (and US, too?) PlayStation 3 comes news that Sony is planning on seriously upping the abilities of the PS3 with a forthcoming firmware update. Compared to minor changes that have occurred in the past, this one looks to be fairly substantial, so we'll cut to the chase and give you the skinny. First off, firmware v1.80 will enable "upscaling of PlayStation / PlayStation 2 games and DVD movies up to a full 1080p when viewed on a compatible HDTV set." Of course, that "up to" bit frightens us a bit, but we'll take any progress we can get. Moving on, PSP users will enjoy Remote Play on their PSP across the internet, which will allow them to "access their PS3 anywhere in the world where a broadband internet connection is available." Additionally, owners can now view multimedia stored on a DLNA-enabled media center PC "seamlessly," and there will even be an option to print images stored on the console's HDD or inserted media to a "selection of Epson printers." The best part: it's out tomorrow.

Yup- and 1080p/24 output is confirmed in the following pic, two spaces below the highlighted "DVD Upscaler" option:

http://i40.photobucket.com/albums/e230/filmguy1974/dvd_en.jpg

I wonder if this update will improve actual 480p playback of SD DVDs with this, and if the Secrets Benchmarking site will do a followup with this update. The gave the PS3 a horrible score for SD DVD playback, but maybe they did more than just provide upscaling with it. One can hope for those who are using it for all their disc playback needs.

My guess is that performance on SD DVD's will be good, but not great. Seems strange, though- performance on BR movies is great- so the hardware is obviously good enough. You'd think they'd be able to tweak the firmware to get great results for SD DVD too. I guess we'll know the answer shortly!

Just finished my download. Was half way through a Bond movie so put it in the PS3 to finish watching. Looks really good upscaled on the PS3.:yippee:


:banana:

Its decent not as good as expectd can anyone tell me what the super white feature is and the full range feature for color next to the super white is the component symbol so Im assuming HDMI connection does not benefit from this.

Its decent not as good as expectd can anyone tell me what the super white feature is and the full range feature for color next to the super white is the component symbol so Im assuming HDMI connection does not benefit from this.

Not sure, still trying to figure things out.

LOTR Twin Towers has much more color to it than b4.

You can Upscale from "Dbl" "Normal" "Full". Not sure which is best.

Not sure, still trying to figure things out.

LOTR Twin Towers has much more color to it than b4.

You can Upscale from "Dbl" "Normal" "Full". Not sure which is best.

I used normal. Full makes it fill the screen without the black bars I think. I want the proper ratios with black bars when they should be there. Might switch it to full later for a bit of a look.


:busy:

Normal is normal scaling I think just horizontal lines, Double Scale doubles the amount of lines scaling (sharper image) and Full is for 4:3 films.

I think it does a great job upscaling, much better than my standalone upconverter.

Normal is normal scaling I think just horizontal lines, Double Scale doubles the amount of lines scaling (sharper image) and Full is for 4:3 films.

I think it does a great job upscaling, much better than my standalone upconverter.

Really?

PS3Fanboy.com just did their review of the upscaling for DVDs and found it to be "meh". Needless to say they were a little disappointed, however they seemed to love the upscaling of their PS2 and PS1 games.

People at AVS who on the Toshiba A1, or other Toshibas etc are saying the PS3 is as good or better at upscaling depending the poster..

The Superwhite feature is awesome! Makes your BD movies brighter and the contrast has much deeper blacks. The SD upscaler is definately a nice feature. I beleive this makes the PS3 a more complete system and definately worth its price!!:D

People at AVS who on the Toshiba A1, or other Toshibas etc are saying the PS3 is as good or better at upscaling depending the poster..

Colt45:

As you know, I own an A1, A2, & a PS3. Yesterday I updated the PS3 to 1.7 before they loaded the 1.8 update so I could see the improvement, and I also updated the A2 to version 1.6 today before the comparison. The A1 is out getting fixed under warranty because I believe there is something wrong with the flash memory as it will not update from version 2.0.

I ran a disc that I know extremely well (DVE) test screens & reference material with the SD DVE on the PS3 both before and after the update. For some reason the PS3 was outputting 1080i with version 1.7 running the DVE disc. This has happened before with my system early on as well for some reason.

No question that the 1.8 update improved the PQ with SD DVDs. It is no where near as great as some are claiming. I only have a 720p DLP, but I have it tweaked to look amazing with both SD & HD sources.

Immediately after looking at DVE in the PS3 with 1.8 I put it into the A2. I noticed some improvement that varied based on what was on the screen at that moment, but the test screens clearly showed me that the A2 was still better with SD DVDs. A perfect example of this is the scene on DVE where the camera shows the pigeon (second instance) and then pans from right to left across the various buildings.

The vertical lines from the windows show almost no moire patterns with the A2, but clearly showed it with the PS3. It wasn't too bad with the PS3 and most people wouldn't notice this, but I was looking for it in the comparison because I saw it when I was playing the scene in the PS3 and didn't remember seeing it with the A1 or the A2. It was easy for me to see that the A2 handled this scene better than the PS3 did even after the 1.8 update.

To summarize, here is what I think improved with my display:

1. Added Normal, Full, and Double Scan. I used Normal because dblscan put a black border around all 4 sides.

2. I set color space to "Full Y/Pb/CbPr/Cr"

3. Set Superwhite to ON.

4. Adds noise filters for Block & Frame. I set Block and Frame each to a value of 1. This is what everyone thought looked best. I didn't see any difference with a picture paused and didn't have time to rerun the same scene at each setting to see a difference.

5. Overall, this was a very good update as it fixed the gamma which was set to high on the PS3 before. This is why people saw better blacks and deeper color saturation. Correcting the gamma output level would always improve these characteristics.

As I said, the update is a welcome improvement, but some people over at AVS are talking crazy like this update gives the PS3 better upscaling than the players (XA2 & BDP-1200) running the Silicon Optix REON chip which is currently about as good as it gets. This is nuts and if Sony could use a firmware update to program software for the cell processor to do a better job than a dedicated TOP END chipset, I guess Silicon Optix better just close up shop. :rolleyes:

PS. Tomorrow I will have my son play some PS2 games to check out the upscaling improvements with the new firmware. I had him play 2 PS2 games before I did the update but he had to go to bed for school in the morning.

Colt45:

As you know, I own an A1, A2, & a PS3. Yesterday I updated the PS3 to 1.7 before they loaded the 1.8 update so I could see the improvement, and I also updated the A2 to version 1.6 today before the comparison. The A1 is out getting fixed under warranty because I believe there is something wrong with the flash memory as it will not update from version 2.0.

I ran a disc that I know extremely well (DVE) test screens & reference material with the SD DVE on the PS3 both before and after the update. For some reason the PS3 was outputting 1080i with version 1.7 running the DVE disc. This has happened before with my system early on as well for some reason.

No question that the 1.8 update improved the PQ with SD DVDs. It is no where near as great as some are claiming. I only have a 720p DLP, but I have it tweaked to look amazing with both SD & HD sources.

Immediately after looking at DVE in the PS3 with 1.8 I put it into the A2. I noticed some improvement that varied based on what was on the screen at that moment, but the test screens clearly showed me that the A2 was still better with SD DVDs. A perfect example of this is the scene on DVE where the camera shows the pigeon (second instance) and then pans from right to left across the various buildings.

The vertical lines from the windows show almost no moire patterns with the A2, but clearly showed it with the PS3. It wasn't too bad with the PS3 and most people wouldn't notice this, but I was looking for it in the comparison because I saw it when I was playing the scene in the PS3 and didn't remember seeing it with the A1 or the A2. It was easy for me to see that the A2 handled this scene better than the PS3 did even after the 1.8 update.

To summarize, here is what I think improved with my display:

1. Added Normal, Full, and Double Scan. I used Normal because dblscan put a black border around all 4 sides.

2. I set color space to "Full Y/Pb/CbPr/Cr"

3. Set Superwhite to ON.

4. Adds noise filters for Block & Frame. I set Block and Frame each to a value of 1. This is what everyone thought looked best. I didn't see any difference with a picture paused and didn't have time to rerun the same scene at each setting to see a difference.

5. Overall, this was a very good update as it fixed the gamma which was set to high on the PS3 before. This is why people saw better blacks and deeper color saturation. Correcting the gamma output level would always improve these characteristics.

As I said, the update is a welcome improvement, but some people over at AVS are talking crazy like this update gives the PS3 better upscaling than the players (XA2 & BDP-1200) running the Silicon Optix REON chip which is currently about as good as it gets. This is nuts and if Sony could use a firmware update to program software for the cell processor to do a better job than a dedicated TOP END chipset, I guess Silicon Optix better just close up shop. :rolleyes:

PS. Tomorrow I will have my son play some PS2 games to check out the upscaling improvements with the new firmware. I had him play 2 PS2 games before I did the update but he had to go to bed for school in the morning.


You were connected through Component not HDMI, am I correct?
On #3 you put on Super White? Isnt that for component only?

No. I am connected with HDMI. I do not know if it only makes a difference with component but I do not believe so.

sounds good if you own a ps3, me I will stick to my denon 2910 for upconversion tho, a dedicated dvd player is always the best I think. :)

I like the PS2 games HiDef output.:rolleyes: However, the new media features are iffy to me! I can not get any of my music to show up.. just my pictures. :confused:

I like the PS2 games HiDef output.:rolleyes: However, the new media features are iffy to me! I can not get any of my music to show up.. just my pictures. :confused:

They have to be in shared music and they can't be lossless WMA.

Love the upscaler! The PS3 now recognizes my Ipod, but no music files. The PS3 can't read MP4's?

This media sharing is something I never had thought of even using. Now the desktop down in the office can pump all of the media to the ps3 wirelessly rather than me loading this on to the HD of the PS3, not bad for 600 dollars. I haven't tested the difference between the upscailing on the A2 and PS3, I guess this feature really doesn't matter to me. All the music and pictures I have saved can now be played throughout the house. :)

They have to be in shared music and they can't be lossless WMA.

No Luck! Still can't find my MP3s! :banghead: No WMA Lossless support huh? Gee, I wonder why!:what: