Pioneer's 2nd Gen. BD Player Coming This Month

http://www.highdefdigest.com/news/show/Pioneer/Hardware/Pioneer_Announces_Second-Gen_Blu-ray_Player/619

Very nice.

But still too rich for my blood,$1000 MSRP (you think they will be discounted?)

Pioneer makes very good equipment and is definately one of the best available in Blu-Ray, you just have to step and pay for such high quality.

I might consider one if and when they see prices closer to $400 to $500 but even then I still think Dual Format High Def. DVD players will probably do that before the Blu-Ray players get there. :o

Their new 42" PDP is twice the cost of regular PDP's and their TOTL PDP is $7500.

http://www.twice.com/article/CA6440891.html

Pioneer is not interested in selling millions of anything. They sell at the top end of CE and make money doing it . . . as opposed to Panasonic, Samsung and LG who sell millions and reap VERY low profits, or loses.

Very nice.

But still too rich for my blood,$1000 MSRP (you think they will be discounted?)

Pioneer makes very good equipment and is definately one of the best available in Blu-Ray, you just have to step and pay for such high quality.

I might consider one if and when they see prices closer to $400 to $500 but even then I still think Dual Format High Def. DVD players will probably do that before the Blu-Ray players get there. :o

me to,i dont know when the bda is going to start getting it.maybe when there format starts going down the tubes!

At least Pioneer is adding a DtHD decode and reducing the price $500.00. :rolleyes:

Now it is only 150% more than the lowest price HD DVD player based on MSRP that already HAS the DtHD decoder in it AND full interactive capabilities.

I wonder what is going to happen to DTS-HD MA soundtracks when no one seems to be adding decoders for it even when they add DtHD decoders. Are BD studios (particularly Fox) still going to use DTS-HD soundtracks exclusively when they start releasing again? I also notice that Pioneer is putting the DTS -HD MA decoders in their receivers so they can sell those high sticker priced receivers to BD owners.

I guess this shows THAT is a big reason WHY the big receiver makers want BD to win. Them they can force them to buy new receivers if people want DTS-HD MA. :mad:

To some people a few hundred dollars is like pocket change to me and that is the market Pioneer is trying to sell to. Pioneer made some very expensive LaserDisc players for years and they were a success. The Elite Blu-ray players and Elite HDMI 1.3a receivers will be high price low volume products and I expect Pioneer to do well in that segment of the market. It just doesn't include me.

Chris

It doesn't include me either.

They do make some very nice stuff, but it isn't worth the price premium they charge IMO.

I do predict they will drop the price $200.00 by June or July when it doesn't sell at $1,000.00.

From what I understand DTS-HD MA takes a lot of processing power to decode and current players just aren't powerful enough to handle the task. That's why despite its firmware upgrade the Panasonic BD player only decodes DTS-HD and not MA. In general the BD companies haven't been aggressive about trying to increase sales. Toshiba has been very proactive about giving away tons of free movies and lowering player prices. Their tactics remind me of the sort of incentives that US automakers have been using to move inventory.

:offtopic warning!

I remember when all the Japanese car makers said they do NOT do rebates, or negotiate prices, back in the mid 80s. Now the Japanese makers are just as aggressive as the American automakers.

I am looking for a new car right now, but I no longer buy new as I can usually get something for around 1/2 prioce by buying 1 -1 1/2 years old models.

I was looking at the Lexus (very nice car BTW), but I am buying American, like I always do to help THIS economy. Yes, I know they make them here now, but they mostly assemble them here from parts made in Japan. And the profits go to Japan, instead of staying here.

Back on topic:

Pioneer is making a lot of unhappy customers according to many of them posting at AVS because this new player is coming out so soon and they think Pioneer will stop supporting the 1G model.

I can appreciate being a loyal American, but even American cars are full of parts from other countries. yes, I know, you can play the % game.
Having served my country in more than one capacity, and worked hard for my money, I generally choose the car I will be happiest with over the long haul. No sacrifice involved there. And I generally keep my cars for quite a while which is another factor in the equation.

It is a personal choice and I make no judgements to tohers buying foreign cars. I used to try to convince others it was important for our own economy, but I usually do not bother and just do what I feel is right for me, and what makes me feel better.

I just always remember reading a bumper sticker in the late 80s that said, "Buy American, The Job You SAVE, May One Day Be Your OWN!"

I really took that to heart, especially when I realized the Japanese won't buy American Oranges even though they are half the cost as the Japanese grown Oranges so they could support their farmers. We need to be more like that I think.

Even at $1000 who cares when you can get the PS3? It's awesome and does 3 more things than the Pioneer. And the pic quality won't be any better than the PS3 either (in my world the PS3 is a BD player first and foremost).

If you have a display/FP that accepts 1080p 24Fps AND has a scan rate of some multiple of 24 (i.e. 48, 72, 120, etc) then you do not need 3:2 pulldown to convert and repeat frames to change from 24Fps to 30 or 60 fps with the Pioneer BD player. It outputs 24Fps and is one of the few that does. The PS3 does not right now but it may down the road, but that is just a guess.

:offtopic warning!...I was looking at the Lexus (very nice car BTW), but I am buying American, like I always do to help THIS economy. Yes, I know they make them here now, but they mostly assemble them here from parts made in Japan. And the profits go to Japan, instead of staying here... American car companies won't get my money until they truly get back to making very good cars. The Big 3 don't compare to their Japanese counterparts in efficiency, design and quality, IMO.

does it have analog outs? if not I will pass, I am not going to go out and spend more money on another reciever for the hdmi. If its anything like thier previous model then its not worth it at all. IMO :D

People like us are a rarity these days! American cars generally have a much greater percentage of American parts, are just as reliable(or even more so depending on class), get great fuel economy for each class, and so on. The best part is that the money stays here and adds to our GDP. The money is also more likely to get invested(reinvested) somewhere into our local economy as well. It seems like some automakers are pushing such aggressive rebates right now for spring clearance that you can get a really good deal even on a new car right now.

:offtopic warning!

I remember when all the Japanese car makers said they do NOT do rebates, or negotiate prices, back in the mid 80s. Now the Japanese makers are just as aggressive as the American automakers.

I am looking for a new car right now, but I no longer buy new as I can usually get something for around 1/2 prioce by buying 1 -1 1/2 years old models.

I was looking at the Lexus (very nice car BTW), but I am buying American, like I always do to help THIS economy. Yes, I know they make them here now, but they mostly assemble them here from parts made in Japan. And the profits go to Japan, instead of staying here.

Back on topic:

Pioneer is making a lot of unhappy customers according to many of them posting at AVS because this new player is coming out so soon and they think Pioneer will stop supporting the 1G model.