Pioneer PDP-4270HD vs. Samsung HPS4253

Hello.

I've only been able to get a good look at the Sammy. It can be had for $1,400 and the Pioneer goes for $1,999. The specs for both TV's look pretty close so is the Pioneer really worth the extra $600?


Thank you.

IMO yes. i just found it to be the best pic of all the plasmas i was looking at, samsungs incuded. also the pioneer seems to be the best at handling SD sources due to excellent quality processors and scalers. i dont lay claim on having compared these 2 exact models side by side however, so take my opinion for what its worth... $650.00 i'll email you a bill, i accept paypal.;)

also note how many threads you have seen of people complaining of problems with their Pioneer. i don't THINK i've read one. samsung on the other hand.... i've read a few(no slander intended, they do have good PQ from what i saw).

good luck!

The 42" Panny is a great choice amongst the 42" sets. Might want to check out that unit too. And YEAH, I have one and it is solid. The Pio at $1999 quite steep.... I saw them in stores snd they look good, but they dont look $500++ dollars better than the Panny thats for sure! They dont look better period from what I could tell. make our own decision of course....

Unless your predisposed to Pio or Sammy, give the Panny a look!

The 42" Panny is a great choice amongst the 42" sets. Might want to check out that unit too. And YEAH, I have one and it is solid. The Pio at $1999 quite steep.... I saw them in stores snd they look good, but they dont look $500++ dollars better than the Panny thats for sure! They dont look better period from what I could tell. make our own decision of course....

Unless your predisposed to Pio or Sammy, give the Panny a look!

also IMO the panny had better PQ than the samsung, the panny being a very close second to the pioneer by my eyes.

I just received the Panasonic TH-42PX600U yesterday, purchase price $1435 with free shipping. Looks very nice so far just using TW regular definition cable hookup -- I have TW scheduled to come out next week to start receiving digital HD with the 8300HD DVR.

This is my first HDTV. I think they must be a little more sensitive to signal strength than my old 27" RCA analog TV, which had a very clear picture with the regular definition cable hookup. While the Panny was very clear in the daytime hours yesterday, last night in the evening hours there was a bit of image degradation (diagnal lines, light snow, fuzzy). I heard somewhere that this is probably caused by the lower BW emitted by local stations for their analog channels. I expect this to improve with the digital HD hookup. With cable you can use the DVR or the TV also has a cable-card slot as an option. Overall, this set offers a lot. Has PIP also, although I'll be using the PIP feature of the DVR.

Since I ordered mine I see the price has dropped under $1400 at a couple of online stores. Stay away from TV Authority -- they are either too busy and just not with it to be able to deliver in a timely manner. I cancelled my order with them and went with BeachCamera. As I said, the set arrived yesterday in excellent condition. My wife and I are thrilled with it. The Pioneer might be better but you won't be sorry if you go with the TH-42px600u.

View these sets side by side and trust your eyes. Go to any store and the Samsung always looks better than the Panny.

Samsung and Pioneer are another story. The Pioneer offers great SD and very vibrant colors, but the picture is very film-like which means it's a little softer. This is Pioneers build philosophy. The Samsung is much sharper and crisper. Colors are great but they are less saturated than the Pioneer. Just depends on what look you like

EricS4, I know your question was looking for a comparison of the Sammy and Pioneer, but since the Panny was mentioned I added my thoughts. Perhaps you're not interested in a Panny, but if you haven't read this review, check it out. It gives some pretty good technical insights.

http://www.plasmatvbuyingguide.com/plasmatvreviews/panasonic-th42px600u-review.html

I was over at a friend's house tonight who has a great set up with a 50" Sony hooked up to digital HD cable with DVR. Very sharp pic. Very impressed. But, you know, when we got home and turned ours Panasonic on it was pretty nearly every bit as sharp looking -- without digital HD hookup yet.

I've never been impressed with trying to compare TV sets in stores where their hookups and settings are questionable and interference is pretty obvious in different parts of the store.

All I know is that I've read a lot of happy people's reviews who own the TH-42px600u and I want to thank them for convincing me to buy one. Good luck in your choice, EricS4.

I've never been impressed with trying to compare TV sets in stores where their hookups and settings are questionable and interference is pretty obvious in different parts of the store.


Bingo.... Trying to determine the best set in stores is like trying to determine the best car just by checking them over in the car lot! You gotta drive it, experience it, live with it for a week or two. This is where the Panny ends up leaving many other sets in the dust so to speak. Even the mighty Pio doesnt warrant its ridiculous extra cost once you get the sets dialed in at home.

FWIW: Even when I was shopping the Panny did NOT look the best, but all those happy owners couldnt be wrong.... ;)

The 42" Panny is a great choice amongst the 42" sets. Might want to check out that unit too. And YEAH, I have one and it is solid. The Pio at $1999 quite steep.... I saw them in stores snd they look good, but they dont look $500++ dollars better than the Panny thats for sure! They dont look better period from what I could tell. make our own decision of course....

Unless your predisposed to Pio or Sammy, give the Panny a look!

Ah! Pushing that Panasonic again. Still regret not buying that Pioneer I see. Misery loves company. It looks $1000 better to me.

Ah! Pushing that Panasonic again. Still regret not buying that Pioneer I see. Misery loves company. It looks $1000 better to me.

As if You're not pushing Pioneer from these comments and your various other posts? C'Mon! Isnt the purpose of the forum to provide choices to people that they may not know about? I said to make your own decision...didnt you read the post? If all TV's suck except Pioneer then why aren't you on a Pioneer-only forum where you guys can justify your purchases? I dont care what people buy but they should at least know whats out there. The Sammys appear to be decent and the Pio's do look good but their cost difference is a MAJOR factor for any shopper. Everyone will make their own decisions and there are NO right or wrong answers regardless of what the "eh-hem" pros have to say.

Misery? Try absolute bliss like a LOT of other Panny owners. All ziliion of us cannot be wrong can we? You're just mad because you got ass-raped for a thousand bucks for an overpriced TV and the only way to feel better is to somehow make it *seem* like it was worth it by trashing everything else...... Suckah! :p

I have some beachfront property to sell you located in Kansas when you're ready.... just $1000 bucks and its yours..... :thumbsup:

As if You're not pushing Pioneer from these comments and your various other posts? C'Mon! Isnt the purpose of the forum to provide choices to people that they may not know about? I said to make your own decision...didnt you read the post? If all TV's suck except Pioneer then why aren't you on a Pioneer-only forum where you guys can justify your purchases? I dont care what people buy but they should at least know whats out there. The Sammys appear to be decent and the Pio's do look good but their cost difference is a MAJOR factor for any shopper. Everyone will make their own decisions and there are NO right or wrong answers regardless of what the "eh-hem" pros have to say.

Misery? Try absolute bliss like a LOT of other Panny owners. All ziliion of us cannot be wrong can we? You're just mad because you got ass-raped for a thousand bucks for an overpriced TV and the only way to feel better is to somehow make it *seem* like it was worth it by trashing everything else...... Suckah! :p

I have some beachfront property to sell you located in Kansas when you're ready.... just $1000 bucks and its yours..... :thumbsup:

You were doing so good until you started with the ass-raped comments. What's wrong with you?:mad:

You were doing so good until you started with the ass-raped comments. What's wrong with you?:mad:

Sometimes ou just gotta get it "out there". Some people on this and other forums simply need to be told what the deal is. You're right...I probably shouldnt of put it that way sorry if I've upset anyone.

I try and be helpful when I can around here since I have been doing this HD thing for a while now and had to deal with this stuff and learn through trial and error. As I read forums here and elsewhere it is amazing what new people are told. Their minds must be spinning with all of the BS they are reading here. I feel bad for them and its comments like "Misery loves company" which insinuates that anyone that owns any TV other than a Pioneer must be miserable just make it worse for prospective buyers. I mean.... I've read some REAL beauties( posts ) on various forums sort of like the following:

- LCD sucks
- Plasma sucks
- Brand "x" sucks
- you MUST have 1080p, anything else sucks
- You must have HDMI, everything else sucks
- Dont buy this, dont buy that, blah, blah, blah.

Really sad.... OK Im done now.

We'd probably be happy with any one of these mentioned. My son has a Sammy and he's happy with his. omeletpants has the Pio and is happy with his. Those of us who got the Panny are happy with ours. They all are very good sets.

In hind sight, if I had had the opportunity to set it up in my living room in advance, I think I might have splurge and gotten the 50" set. I sit about 12 ft away but also look at it from beyond in the kitchen. The 42" is big compared to my old 27", and we're thrilled with it, but no doubt the 50" would be even more striking IMHO.

We'd probably be happy with any one of these mentioned. My son has a Sammy and he's happy with his. omeletpants has the Pio and is happy with his. Those of us who got the Panny are happy with ours. They all are very good sets.


I had 2 Elites and got rid of them for the Samsung

As if You're not pushing Pioneer from these comments and your various other posts? C'Mon! Isnt the purpose of the forum to provide choices to people that they may not know about? I said to make your own decision...didnt you read the post? If all TV's suck except Pioneer then why aren't you on a Pioneer-only forum where you guys can justify your purchases? I dont care what people buy but they should at least know whats out there. The Sammys appear to be decent and the Pio's do look good but their cost difference is a MAJOR factor for any shopper. Everyone will make their own decisions and there are NO right or wrong answers regardless of what the "eh-hem" pros have to say.

Misery? Try absolute bliss like a LOT of other Panny owners. All ziliion of us cannot be wrong can we? You're just mad because you got ass-raped for a thousand bucks for an overpriced TV and the only way to feel better is to somehow make it *seem* like it was worth it by trashing everything else...... Suckah! :p

I have some beachfront property to sell you located in Kansas when you're ready.... just $1000 bucks and its yours..... :thumbsup:
I deal Pioneer, Panasonic, Samsung, Hitachi and Toshiba. I have multiples of all. And I rate them in that order. I get ass raped on nothing . Trust me your mark up was the same for the retailer on either TV. Heres a little education for you. The money you save is because Panasonic assembles thier TVs in China. Pioneer is Assembled in the USA. So save a buck. Panasonic is raping you as much as anyone else. Pioneer manufacturing cost higher, TV cost higher. Economics 101. I will gladly spend more for a tv manufactured in the US with quality Japanees electronics. I have posted before, Panasonic has a great product but money isnt all that matters.
Plus your so easy to get a rise out of.

I deal Pioneer, Panasonic, Samsung, Hitachi and Toshiba. I have multiples of all. And I rate them in that order. I get ass raped on nothing . Trust me your mark up was the same for the retailer on either TV. Heres a little education for you. The money you save is because Panasonic assembles thier TVs in China. Pioneer is Assembled in the USA. So save a buck. Panasonic is raping you as much as anyone else. Pioneer manufacturing cost higher, TV cost higher. Economics 101. I will gladly spend more for a tv manufactured in the US with quality Japanees electronics. I have posted before, Panasonic has a great product but money isnt all that matters.
Plus your so easy to get a rise out of.

Gee...such a professional response. So what did you mean by "Misery loves company"? Like that isnt indicating that YOU have the quick "rise" problem or are attempting to sway people one way or another? So you deal in all of these TV's? Lemme guess...more profit on Pioneer because its overpriced? Economics 101 right? :rolleyes:

Funny how if you check the forums that Pios have JUST as many trouble posts as the other brands. Guess being built here isnt the Holy Grail after all is it? Mass production is mass production. Whether the person doing it is American or Chinese doesnt matter. Dont act like Pioneer hand builds these things like Porsche or Ferrari builds their cars.... 100% no freegin way. Same "crank em out" factory as anywhere else with the same margin of error I bet. Buyers of Pioneer just pay more for the "privilege" of subsidizing extremely high labor costs and over-rated Japanese electronics. Ummm...OK.... yeah.

You're a DEALER so all credibility is lost since you're gonna push whatever yields the most profit or satisfies your personal tastes. Like anyone cant figure that out. No different than asking a salesman at CC or BB what the best TV is..... the best TV is the one that has the most profit or the one that their boss told them are overstocked with.

I will continue to offer my opinions to prospctive buyers on this forum as long as they post questions. You should do the same.... but make sure you state it as such and try not to claim that people not buying what you think they should will make them miserable which is exactly what started this whole thing.

Gee...such a professional response. So what did you mean by "Misery loves company"? Like that isnt indicating that YOU have the quick "rise" problem or are attempting to sway people one way or another? So you deal in all of these TV's? Lemme guess...more profit on Pioneer because its overpriced? Economics 101 right? :rolleyes:

Funny how if you check the forums that Pios have JUST as many trouble posts as the other brands. Guess being built here isnt the Holy Grail after all is it? Mass production is mass production. Whether the person doing it is American or Chinese doesnt matter. Dont act like Pioneer hand builds these things like Porsche or Ferrari builds their cars.... 100% no freegin way. Same "crank em out" factory as anywhere else with the same margin of error I bet. Buyers of Pioneer just pay more for the "privilege" of subsidizing extremely high labor costs and over-rated Japanese electronics. Ummm...OK.... yeah.

You're a DEALER so all credibility is lost since you're gonna push whatever yields the most profit or satisfies your personal tastes. Like anyone cant figure that out. No different than asking a salesman at CC or BB what the best TV is..... the best TV is the one that has the most profit or the one that their boss told them are overstocked with.

I will continue to offer my opinions to prospctive buyers on this forum as long as they post questions. You should do the same.... but make sure you state it as such and try not to claim that people not buying what you think they should will make them miserable which is exactly what started this whole thing.

Your missing the point Im not being confronational. Im not pushing Pioneer. Every post I see from you is you telling someone Panasonic is a better product at a better price. This is half true. Better price not better product. A big enough difference to justify price? Thats up to the buyer. Is any one going to say Panasonic isnt a great TV? I wont. Do I make more off Pioneer? NO! The margins are the same. Pioneer isnt gouging the public they choose not to take advantage of Chinese slave labor and employ Americans in American plants. By the way Panasonic uses the same over rated Japanese electronics. Theres a big difference between Custom Installation companies and the big boxers. I Live, Breath, Eat, Sleep this business 7 days a week 360 days a year. I have Installed thousand of systems. So dont sound so smug because you you have a panasonic plasma on your wall. I have all these brands available every day to test and compare. Im CEDIA and THX certified. Whats your qualifications? You visited your local BB and looked at TVs? You have a Sony box system. CREDIBILITY PLEASE. Enough said.

Your missing the point Im not being confronational. Im not pushing Pioneer. Every post I see from you is you telling someone Panasonic is a better product at a better price. This is half true. Better price not better product. A big enough difference to justify price? Thats up to the buyer. Is any one going to say Panasonic isnt a great TV? I wont. Do I make more off Pioneer? NO! The margins are the same. Pioneer isnt gouging the public they choose not to take advantage of Chinese slave labor and employ Americans in American plants. By the way Panasonic uses the same over rated Japanese electronics. Theres a big difference between Custom Installation companies and the big boxers. I Live, Breath, Eat, Sleep this business 7 days a week 360 days a year. I have Installed thousand of systems. So dont sound so smug because you you have a panasonic plasma on your wall. I have all these brands available every day to test and compare. Im CEDIA and THX certified. Whats your qualifications? You visited your local BB and looked at TVs? You have a Sony box system. CREDIBILITY PLEASE. Enough said.

Every one of your posts trashes something that doesnt have your seal of approval. I dont care how many systems you install, doesnt mean squat to a newbie on this forum looking for options on TVs. Certifications? Who cares? This is a subjective hobby my friend.... one person sees differently than another so save your "I have meaningless pieces of paper" for another argument. :rolleyes:

Yep, I went to BB, brought home a few TVs, checked them out and bough the best one...just like 99% of the people on this board will do. Thats as "credible" as we need to be. Money does matter for most of us. Glad you install systems for fat cat clients that dont understand video whatsoever, I hope your doing well from it. Still, it doesnt pertain to most of us. The Sony Box system rules :thumbsup: and I would gladly recommend it to anyone looking for a decent surround system.

Peace brutha :bowdown:

Dont the Pioneers cost more because they have a built in tuner as well as speakers...and also a stand??

Panny's come with none of those things .... correct?

That would justify the extra cost to me

Dont the Pioneers cost more because they have a built in tuner as well as speakers...and also a stand??

Panny's come with none of those things .... correct?

That would justify the extra cost to meYour assumption is incorrect...depending on model...PX600U series has excellent speakers built in,tuners,Cable Card slot,table top stand,all the whistles and bells. A 42" 600U can be had for around $1300 at any number of points.Good luck.......:)FLASH: Forgive my error,I now realize you were comparing two specific makes and models. Sorry........

I have been installing Direc TV and Home Theater for 10 years and the only TV I have had a problem with is the Samsung. The picture looks great when I HD but the analog picture is the worst I have ever seen. I only get calls back from customers on these TV's. I have had great success with Sony and that is the only TV I will buy.