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Are All Tvs Made In Mexico Now ?

97XBAM
02-04-2007, 08:33 AM
Saw a Samsung HLS-7178W at BB yesterday being fed a 1080p signal from a dvd player and it had the best PQ in the room -even better than two Sony SXRDs and a 10k 65" Panasonic plasma . Bright brilliant colors , extremely sharp pic , thought I was looking at my next tv until I looked in the back and saw the made in Mexico sticker . Then I went home and saw the same made in Mexico tag on my Hitachi CRT RP . I've had some bad experiences with products made south of the border , aren't there any tvs still assembled in the U.S. (besides the ultra expensive Brillian) or Japan ?

hdtvjunkie
02-04-2007, 10:46 AM
Saw a Samsung HLS-7178W at BB yesterday being fed a 1080p signal from a dvd player and it had the best PQ in the room -even better than two Sony SXRDs and a 10k 65" Panasonic plasma . Bright brilliant colors , extremely sharp pic , thought I was looking at my next tv until I looked in the back and saw the made in Mexico sticker . Then I went home and saw the same made in Mexico tag on my Hitachi CRT RP . I've had some bad experiences with products made south of the border , aren't there any tvs still assembled in the U.S. (besides the ultra expensive Brillian) or Japan ?
Even RCA's are made over seas now.

97XBAM
02-04-2007, 12:17 PM
Names like RCA , Zenith , and Magnavox were bought out by the huge electronic conglomerates and have no relation to the old sets that carried the same name . There seems to be zero info on the internet on what countries manufacture which brand or more specifically which HD format or model of a certain brand . The only way to tell for certain is to read the back of a set because if you ask a salesman they won't know or might even know and lie about the country of assembly .The longer my Hitachi runs trouble free the less apprehensive I'll be about buying a set assembled in Mexico . Doing more research on the subject , tvs were starting to be assembled in Mexico in the early 80s so it's not like this is something that started recently .

daleb
02-04-2007, 12:49 PM
Sony has had a major assembly plant in Mexico (as mentioned above) way back since the early Trinitron days (when their reputation for quality is higher than I believe it is today).
In the simplest terms, Quality Control is a function of engineering, manufacturing, and management. Not the country of origin.
Some of the best commercial products are manufactured to the highest standards in many foreign countries.
Political implications aside.

97XBAM
02-04-2007, 01:21 PM
Sony has had a major assembly plant in Mexico (as mentioned above) way back since the early Trinitron days (when their reputation for quality is higher than I believe it is today).
In the simplest terms, Quality Control is a function of engineering, manufacturing, and management. Not the country of origin.
Some of the best commercial products are manufactured to the highest standards in many foreign countries.
Political implications aside.

Politics has nothing to do with it for me . I've just had some bad experience with chainsaws ,weedwackers , Casio consumer electronics made in Mexico that broke after using them a few times . A McCulloch weedwacker actually melted the plastic guard/linecutter the very first time I used it , no surprise that company went bankrupt . I also had a Maytag air conditioner bought for a bedroom that was so loud you couldn't sleep-took it back and got a Panasonic over the internet . I guess it does depend on the QC practices of the company , but in many cases cheaper prices from manufacturing consumer products in Mexico result in inferior products that break quickly negating any price savings .

daleb
02-04-2007, 01:58 PM
Politics has nothing to do with it for me . I've just had some bad experience with chainsaws ,weedwackers , Casio consumer electronics made in Mexico that broke after using them a few times . A McCulloch weedwacker actually melted the plastic guard/linecutter the very first time I used it , no surprise that company went bankrupt . I also had a Maytag air conditioner bought for a bedroom that was so loud you couldn't sleep-took it back and got a Panasonic over the internet . I guess it does depend on the QC practices of the company , but in many cases cheaper prices from manufacturing consumer products in Mexico result in inferior products that break quickly negating any price savings .

Naturally, inferior products can be made in foreign countries, and ARE all the time. There is no mystery there.
My only point was don't assume it is cheaply made or unreliable simply based on country of origin.
Quality Control is just that. It is a control process. But more control cost more money as do better parts, and trained workers. If any one of those elements is lacking, your odds of getting a reliable product are greatly reduced, plain and simple.
Unfortunately, what makes it more difficult for us consumers, is knowing what's bad and what's good. Many companies do not maintain the same standard of quality across all their product lines.

hdtvjunkie
02-04-2007, 02:26 PM
If its man made there is a pretty good chance its gonna break, no matter what country builds it. Even a reputable brand such as Sony is having its fair share of problems. Not picking on Sony, just using them as a reference because they are suppose to be the big dawg of electronics.

daleb
02-04-2007, 02:39 PM
If its man made there is a pretty good chance its gonna break, no matter what country builds it. Even a reputable brand such as Sony is having its fair share of problems. Not picking on Sony, just using them as a reference because they are suppose to be the big dawg of electronics.

I agree, Sony could be pouring more money into marketing and less into manufacturing. The bean-counters juggle that ratio around all the time.
That might seem like an over-simplification of the issue, but many times it is something simple that creates problems.

97XBAM
02-04-2007, 03:49 PM
Maybe I'm spoiled , but my almost 17 year old RCA 27" Colortrack 2000 console hasn't had a single problem since I bought it in June 1990 although the PQ isn't quite as sharp as it once was , which is expected due to it's age and the huge amount of hours it's logged . Since I've had good luck with RCA I was looking at the 52" CRT RP RCA model last year , but every single salesman told me to stay away from that set (at least 4 different stores) because of problems . Yet they all recommended the Hitachi , with one saying it was second only to Mitsubishi . Athough I never considered it as more than a starter HD set for 2-3 years until other technologies were perfected , developed , or made less costly I bought the Hitachi for less than 1K and have been satisfied so far . I'm currently looking at an LCD flat panel (40" Samsung) to replace the RCA in a smaller room later this year and don't plan on buying an extended warranty (but would do so for an RP set when I replace the Hitachi in the living room) so I want to make the best possible choice . So the Mexico thing has me a bit worried , but also has me considering Westinghouse as a possible less costly alternative since they are also built south of the border and I haven't heard much bad about them quality wise . Not yet anyway .

daleb
02-04-2007, 04:16 PM
I've heard positives about the Westinghouse sets too.. but only a few since it would not be that popular compared to big names.
So it's difficult to tell because the numbers are so low.

hdtvjunkie
02-04-2007, 04:23 PM
Is it just me or do we put to much emphasis on when the tv is gonna break instead of just buying something that looks good to us and watching it.

97XBAM
02-04-2007, 05:13 PM
Is it just me or do we put to much emphasis on when the tv is gonna break instead of just buying something that looks good to us and watching it.


Back in the day when the average cost of a set was 300-600 bucks and cost 100-250 or so to fix it wasn't that big of a concern . Now with new sets costing 3-5 times those amounts with new technologies and repair costs potentially almost equaling the total cost of the set it is a big concern . For some perspective a guy at work had a dead pixel on his Panasonic LCD RP and the repair without an extended waranty would've cost him $1400 out of his own pocket . So buying a set with a good quality rep is important now more than ever !

enmoco
02-04-2007, 05:43 PM
Back in the day when the average cost of a set was 300-600 bucks and cost 100-250 or so to fix it wasn't that big of a concern . Now with new sets costing 3-5 times those amounts with new technologies and repair costs potentially almost equaling the total cost of the set it is a big concern . For some perspective a guy at work had a dead pixel on his Panasonic LCD RP and the repair without an extended waranty would've cost him $1400 out of his own pocket . So buying a set with a good quality rep is important now more than ever !If you want to talk about ....back in the day.Today's units are cheaper than your $600 set in the 70's or eighties........much less in the fifties and sixties. Inflation and higher incomes make a great deal of difference.My father bought a 3550 sq.ft. austin stone house on a 1 acre lot in 1961 for $29,500. Today that house would pay for about 5 houses of a similar size. It's not a fair evaluation of the costs of today's displays.really......:)

hdtvjunkie
02-04-2007, 05:54 PM
If you want to talk about ....back in the day.Today's units are cheaper than your $600 set in the 70's or eighties........much less in the fifties and sixties. Inflation and higher incomes make a great deal of difference.My father bought a 3550 sq.ft. austin stone house on a 1 acre lot in 1961 for $29,500. Today that house would pay for about 5 houses of a similar size. It's not a fair evaluation of the costs of today's displays.really......:)
I agree that its not a fair evaluation. Incomes are way different than say 30 years ago. What cost about 1500 today would have cost about half that 30 years ago, so actually it balances out. What I am referring to quality. When you bought something 30 years ago, you bought it to last, not worry about how soon it was gonna break.