PS3 to sell non Blueray edition

Kind of interesting if this happens. What about Sony's claims that the extra storage on the BlueRay disc's, would be needed for next generation gaming. I guess they would sell the system for around $399, and then you will see the 360 drop its price, and Sony will still be behind.
http://www.news4gamers.com/industrynews/News-19088.aspx

Hmm now that would be interesting if it happened. Sony is pretty stubborn. If thats true then they would be admitting that they lied about BR is needed...

Witty,sarcastic reply of the day-"Sony will still be behind until it sells more consoles"

For some reason the link isn't working for me. Can I be a pain in the arse and ask somebody to post the article?

Thanks! :bowdown:

For some reason the link isn't working for me. Can I be a pain in the arse and ask somebody to post the article?

Thanks! :bowdown:

Rumor : New family priced PS3 without Blu Ray??

Gadgetnutz.com reports: "Sony is rumored to be making drastic changes to recapture the market before losing even more of it's command share to the likes of Nintendo (the success story of the holiday season) or the XBox 360 (still suffering in the land of the rising sun, but gaining momentum everywhere else). In a move that is "aimed at family pricing," Sony is rumored to be working on a Playstation 3 that does not include the Blu Ray drive. Whether this will result in the current low-end model having a change, or a newer "entry level" Playstation 3, remains to be seen. However, this is in stark contrast to their previous, egocentric, statements regarding "what kind of consumer"* will be looking at the Playstation 3."

Dismal PS3 Launch Forces Sony to Discard Blu Ray

GadgetNutz's storybreaking reporter, The Bandito, has uncovered a developing story concerning Sony via his network of industry insiders.

On the heels of various industry reports of the lackluster sales of Sony's new Playstation 3 console up to, during, and through the Christmas season, it's no wonder that Sony feels internal pressure to reverse it's course to more profitable waters. Obviously, the number one deficit of the new electronic entertainment device is the sheer number of newly introduced technologies, each with it's own seemingly continuous chain of production pitfalls. This same collection of newly deployed technologies directly impacts the pricing, further straining the retail sales of the Playstation 3. Considering that HDDVD technology is moving towards a broader market of consumers, Blu Ray is taking a considerable hit regardless of the Playstation branding.


One doesn't have to pay close attenion, or even take a second glance, to see that Sony, as a large corporation, has dropped the ball in it's own court. It has been reported time and time again that Sony has been facing financial difficulties, having to lay off workers, close plants, and refocus parts of their business. What only a few expected, Playstation 3 sales failed to match even the reduced supply during this holiday season. The affect of this has rippled through the major electronics retailers, creating a need to ship stock from store to store, and further impacting what profit margins retailers expected to see from the launch of a major new platform. The slick new Nintendo Wii and the powerhouse Microsoft XBox 360 managed to dominate the market, taking full advantage of the price differential, supply problems, and even the imagination of the consumer market. The season, in reality, isn't even over, and there is already a new captain at the helm, an almost unprecedented event indicating changes to come.

At a cost of over two hundred dollars per drive, the Blu Ray is the force behind the massive cost of the Sony Playstation 3. It is speculated that Sony is bleeding some three hundred bucks per unit, and continues the wild trend of manufacturers losing cash on the console in expectations to get their money back on the software. However, with a scant dozen titles or so, Sony holds little hope of a quick turn around in their fortunes. From it's core, the powerful Cell processor,with it's poor production yields, has added pitfalls to it's on rollout that is compounded by the difficulty in mass producing the Blu Ray in the Playstation 3. The tremendous cost of product, let alone support and delivery costs, may have been a factor in the recent executive level staff changes, but that change (of executives) has pushed the importance of other changes up the ladder of importance.

Sony is rumored to be making drastic changes to recapture the market before losing even more of it's command share to the likes of Nintendo (the success story of the holiday season) or the XBox 360 (still suffering in the land of the rising sun, but gaining momentum everywhere else). In a move that is "aimed at family pricing," Sony is rumored to be working on a Playstation 3 that does not include the Blu Ray drive. Whether this will result in the current low-end model having a change, or a newer "entry level" Playstation 3, remains to be seen. However, this is in stark contrast to their previous, egocentric, statements regarding "what kind of consumer"* will be looking at the Playstation 3.

To further fuel the fire, Toshiba has been reported to be getting ready to announce at CES (The Consumer Electronics Show) a new HDDVD player in the sub-two hundred dollar range. If these reports hold to be true, Sony's Blu Ray hopes may be dashed in even more markets than just that of the video-game arena. The steep pricing of Blu Ray players already make the Playstation 3 the entry level model, and Toshiba may have just put the nail in the coffin of this format. This holiday season was Sony's chance to leap ahead of the HDDVD format, establishing Blu Ray in the consumer market.

Supply problems alone would have likely created problems with Sony's hopes about Blu Ray, but with lackluster sales it is nearly a forgone conclusion. This puts Sony in a terrible position of not only trying to turn their ship around, but if they aren't careful--it could very well sink. A Playstation 3 without Blu Ray technology may save the Playstation from the fate previously seen by Sega's Saturn, but it will be the death nail in the Blu Ray coffin.

*For original quote, see Previous Article

There you go you pain in the arse... ;)

I just bought my PS3 5 days ago, and I love it. However, this article kinda bums me out a bit. :(

I just bought my PS3 5 days ago, and I love it. However, this article kinda bums me out a bit. :(

Not to worry, you won't be the only one. ;)

i cant see that happening.. if that does happen then developers will be forced to make their games in two different formats! one on blu-ray disc and the other on DVD.. and the DVD version will obviously have limited features due to limited space... maybe even downgraded graphics?.. and even if they do cut out the blu-ray drive its not like they can cut the price down to like $299. it'll still be a expensive system right along the line of the 360($399us, $499can)

i cant see that happening.. if that does happen then developers will be forced to make their games in two different formats! one on blu-ray disc and the other on DVD.. and the DVD version will obviously have limited features due to limited space... maybe even downgraded graphics?.. and even if they do cut out the blu-ray drive its not like they can cut the price down to like $299. it'll still be a expensive system right along the line of the 360($399us, $499can)

true, but unless they're "sony-exclusive" developers, they're already developing the same game for 360 on DVD with that same limited space, so it shouldn't be too different.

i've got to imagine games like madden that are developed for 360 then ported to ps3 still only take up 8.5 GB of that massive BR disk.

Kind of interesting if this happens. What about Sony's claims that the extra storage on the BlueRay disc's, would be needed for next generation gaming. I guess they would sell the system for around $399, and then you will see the 360 drop its price, and Sony will still be behind.
http://www.news4gamers.com/industrynews/News-19088.aspx


I'd say that article is nothing but rubbish and completely unsubstantiated. The worst thing Sony can do it fragment their user base by forcing developers to release games on two different types of media. This would be a nightmare for retailers where store retail space is precious, and would make things crazy for developers who would need to program multiple disc versions of a game, and then get them published on different formats.

This might be a conspiracy theory, but i'm guessing that sony might have been testing possible leaks within their ranks by deliberately leaking false rumors to certain individuals to see if they will leak confidential inside secrets. If this rumor does become true, i'll buy you a beer the next time any of you guys stop by Cincinnati............

I don't believe it either, but I see less of a problem with releasing games: all games would go to regular dvd, and current ps3s would only use the bluray for movies.

one thing i like about BR is extras in highdef too. although it is not the deal breaker, HD DVD still a sensible choice for masses, and if Toshiba brings aplayer in $250 range it will kill Bray, I think Bray is in trouble.
only studio support can save it, but it still need to be seen how long can studios support SONY.

Even though PS3 is better than Xbox360 (Xbox live and more games are bigger advantage for Xbox360) it is hard to justify the cost of PS3, for me it is good game and entertainment center.

Wow, so you really did believe the sony lies that blur-ray was needed for their games?? :rolleyes: :p This shows that sony may be admitting that they made a huge mistake by trying to force yet another proprietary and expensive crap on consumers. Consumers rejected sony again ;)

i cant see that happening.. if that does happen then developers will be forced to make their games in two different formats! one on blu-ray disc and the other on DVD.. and the DVD version will obviously have limited features due to limited space... maybe even downgraded graphics?.. and even if they do cut out the blu-ray drive its not like they can cut the price down to like $299. it'll still be a expensive system right along the line of the 360($399us, $499can)

I really laughed when I read your abreviation for blu-ray. Bray-ing is exactly what Sony has been doing since this whole mess started.

Impossible, they are using BR for the disks the games are being stored on.

Maybe if this were to happen, Sony would stop forcing there media on us. Picked up a Sony Ericsson phone the other day for my kid, and of course I will have to get a new media card, because his micro SD card, from his old phone won't work with it. Guess it has to be a micro memory stick or something like that. Nice phone though...

Yet another unbeliably fake rumor with no basis in any reality. A Blu-Ray free Playstation 3 will be released as soon as the Pacific Ocean turns into jellow, the sky turns purple, and an ACLU member goes to church.

true, but unless they're "sony-exclusive" developers, they're already developing the same game for 360 on DVD with that same limited space, so it shouldn't be too different.

i've got to imagine games like madden that are developed for 360 then ported to ps3 still only take up 8.5 GB of that massive BR disk.

shit, good point i totally mess that information.. D'UHHHH!! my bad LOL!.

Quite honestly, even though it would eat into the hype that people have been fed by sony, I would likely be more interested in buying one if its at a better price.

Its just really irritating being fed lies by sony. Even though I knew a lot of their "marketing ploys" were full of lies.

one thing i like about BR is extras in highdef too. although it is not the deal breaker, HD DVD still a sensible choice for masses, and if Toshiba brings aplayer in $250 range it will kill Bray, I think Bray is in trouble.
only studio support can save it, but it still need to be seen how long can studios support SONY.

Even though PS3 is better IMO because of the Cell and 7 SPEs than Xbox360 (Xbox live and more games and their GPU are bigger advantage for Xbox360) it is hard to justify the cost of PS3, for me it is good game and entertainment center.

Just a small edit.:D

Why would they have to make seperate games for each medium? The PS3 can surely play a game on a standard DVD disc right? While I dont believe this will happen as it would almost be admitting that BR was not needed I dont see why technically it would be a big deal. I hardly believe the graphics would suffer as someone insinuated either,that would imply a dev has NEEDED the extra space for graphics and to my knowledge that hasnt been the case yet with any PS3 game.

Impossible, they are using BR for the disks the games are being stored on.

Exactly. Whoever came up with this rumor is a idiot along with anyone who believes it.

Yet another unbeliably fake rumor with no basis in any reality. A Blu-Ray free Playstation 3 will be released as soon as the Pacific Ocean turns into jellow, the sky turns purple, and an ACLU member goes to church.

:lol: :lol: :lol: :lol:

anyone who thinks BR is helping the ps3 on the graphics end really needs to take some time and learn how this machine works. if anything the BD is hurting more then helping. it's making devs place information multiple times all over the disk because the drive can't access the information fast enough. then there is the high price of production for devs and all the kinks that come along when dealing with new media.

all this talk about the extra storage is needed for ps3 games is simply laughable.

C'mon guys, this thread started over a year ago! :eek:

This might be a conspiracy theory, but i'm guessing that sony might have been testing possible leaks within their ranks by deliberately leaking false rumors to certain individuals to see if they will leak confidential inside secrets. If this rumor does become true, i'll buy you a beer the next time any of you guys stop by Cincinnati............

I certainly would entertain a 'conspiracy theory' before I ever believed Sony would create a dvd format PS3.:hithere:

I certainly would entertain a 'conspiracy theory' before I ever believed Sony would create a dvd format PS3.:hithere:

I'm not sure why we are resurrecting olde threads, but a DVD PS3 just isn't possible and that should end the discussion right there. Besides, those PS3 loyalist developers would start crying because they might actually have to use more than one disc for 1/100 games that are made.

All in all....does anyone even really care? We all can probably agree this will never happen so how does this kinda stuff still rear its ugly head in places like this? I lurked around this place last year right around this time and the never ending 360vsPS3 /HDDVDvs BR nonsense was so rampant I was kinda shocked. I mean I know its conversation piece amongst many of us tech heads but it was classic how personal some were taking it...beyond even the normal forum flaming that happens everywhere. Here a full year later and this kinda stuff is still going strong? The same topics? This game better on 360 than PS3 says reliable dev and its an "E-Riot"....PS3 capable of handling X process that 360 cant says "insider" and the place goes berserk. I suppose if the Internet was happening back when Sega/SNES came out would we have been doing this over them consoles too? That woulda been hilarious. Im not trying to preach to grown men or anything, Im just curious as to how the emotional attachement has gotten so strong that it can lead to a years worth,atleast from what Ive seen, of arguing over essentially the same topic?

All in all....does anyone even really care? We all can probably agree this will never happen so how does this kinda stuff still rear its ugly head in places like this? I lurked around this place last year right around this time and the never ending 360vsPS3 /HDDVDvs BR nonsense was so rampant I was kinda shocked.

News has been a little slow lately, I think that may have something to do with all the garbage threads lately.

News has been a little slow lately, I think that may have something to do with all the garbage threads lately.

It must be. The clinging to the tiniest morsel of info for either camp seems to stir the hive. I honestly thought by this point in the consoles life we would be past this.

This silly rumor was started by some unknown source over a year ago and it never happened and never will happen, why is it worth discussion now?

Chris

C'mon guys, this thread started over a year ago! :eek:

I didn't even realize that. I thought something was fishy when I read your post that said "I just bought mine 5 days ago". I just figured you bought another one. :what:

let me begin by saying that I hope that no one feels offended by some of the things that I am about to say.

Many of you are thinking about this from a consumers perspective.

Sony is a business. While this would definitely be a low down move on Sony's part, it could wind up being a great business move.

The ps2 was a great success, but with all of the success that it had, it's success was nothing compared to the DVD industry as a whole.

In other words, there are way more DVD players and discs out there than there are ps2s and ps2 games. By the way, I use Ps2 in thiis example because it is way more successful than PS3, but still nothing compared to DVD.

I don't know if many people have realized it or not, but the ps3 is basically a small part of the big picture.

I am not saying that the aforementioned article is true or not, but I can see it being true.

Could it be that you really do not need BR to have great, large, fast loading games like Sony said?

Of course you don't.

Let's look at all that has happened.

Warner signed on to BR and the world has prematurely declared a BR victory.

BR is Sony's format.

The war was won because of the number of BR players that were out there.

There were many BR players because of the PS3 sales.
The PS3 has accomplished it's task.

Since the HD war is "over", and BR has won, there is no need for all PS3's to have the BR drive. The 360 doesn't have BR. The wii doesn't have BR and they are both murdering the ps3., so it's pretty clear that BR isn't the necessity that Sony wanted you to believe that it is.

Sony is losing a battle (videogames) for the sake of winning a huge war (the format war).

They are fighting for control of the next format. All future videogame systems will use the next format, just like all except for the ps3 use dvd (the current format) now.

Let me stop now before I get too carried away on this issue.

Many of you are thinking about this from a consumers perspective.
What do you expect?

The ps2 was a great success, but with all of the success that it had, it's success was nothing compared to the DVD industry as a whole.
That's a pretty bad comparison

In other words, there are way more DVD players and discs out there than there are ps2s and ps2 games. By the way, I use Ps2 in thiis example because it is way more successful than PS3, but still nothing compared to DVD.
This is where you start to fall apart. Your point is not clear.

I don't know if many people have realized it or not, but the ps3 is basically a small part of the big picture.
Of what big picture? Of Blu Ray's picture? Then that's not true, because the PS3 is a big part of that picture. What are you trying to say?

I am not saying that the aforementioned article is true or not, but I can see it being true.
It was from over a year ago, and it's not true.

Could it be that you really do not need BR to have great, large, fast loading games like Sony said?
As you can see from the 360, we already knew this, before the PS3 was released.

Since the HD war is "over", and BR has won, there is no need for all PS3's to have the BR drive. The 360 doesn't have BR. The wii doesn't have BR and they are both murdering the ps3., so it's pretty clear that BR isn't the necessity that Sony wanted you to believe that it is.
Why would Sony declare the war "over" and then stop making PS3's with the Blu Ray drive? Wouldn't you keep the momentum going and not revert back to old technology?

Let me stop now before I get too carried away on this issue.
Judas Priest. :huh

Since the HD war is "over", and BR has won, there is no need for all PS3's to have the BR drive. The 360 doesn't have BR. The wii doesn't have BR and they are both murdering the ps3., so it's pretty clear that BR isn't the necessity that Sony wanted you to believe that it is.



NO... The war isn't "OVER". What's with this talk? It's over when they stop selling players and stores stop carrying it.

YES PS3 needs to keep making BD players in their consoles. They are one of the only reliable players capable of full upgradeability with internet connection and 100% movie/features compatibility.

Sobay, if my point is not clear, I do not know what else to say to you about it.

If the war is over as many are saying then there is no need for them to continue to keep prices high when they don't have to. The war is over right?

By the way, What I expect is for you to not get offended. Calm down.

I was just giving my opinion on why this does not seem as far fetched to me as it does to some of the posters. I don't care what Sony does.

I am just giving my opinion if that's ok. I guarantee that there are some people here who understand exactly what I was saying even if they do not agree.

Any way if anyone was offended by what I said (and obviously on some level you were) I apologize.

Believe me, I'm not offended, and I hate fanboys. I'm neutral with this whole thing. However, I will enter into a debate (which is the whole premise of this forum) when somebody makes a post that includes facts that are not true and could confuse others.

So, when somebody calls you on what you say or doesn't agree with you, they aren't necessarily getting offended with you.

niennumb1, I agree that the war isn't over. I stated that in the beginning. I was just speaking in the sense of "if the war is over" like many are saying.

That is why I put it in quotes. I think the BR celebration is very premature. And for the record, I do not have BR or HD DVD.

I just believe that something is not over until it's over.

Sobay, it's the way you were saying some things. I was giving my opinion. You cant have a fact that is not true.

I was simply saying that this is not as far fetched as some might think that it is.

Sobay, it's the way you were saying some things. I was giving my opinion. You cant have a fact that is not true.

I was simply saying that this is not as far fetched as some might think that it is.

Well it si kinda far fetched considering the premise of the statement is that the "war is over" coming from what I would imagine being a consumer stand point...the same standpoint you felt we should defer from in the first place.