Are there any NON-HDTV crt's that do 480p?

Ok heres my other concern. Are there any non-HDTV's that can do progressive scan... so only up to 480p.. is there such a CRT on the market if so can someone point me to one?

reasons being is that the way i want to set up my system is: 1.get rid of my 10yr old tv. 2.buy a 20'-23" CRT flat screen with S-video and component inputs for the bedroom but capable of displaying progressive scan(480p) 3. then get a Aquos LCD HDTV 32"for the main living room...

progressive scan DVD players have been in the market for a very very long time now so im assuming that there MUST be TV's on the market that can do 480p but do they have to be HDTV's? and no im not talking about EDTV's.

An EDTV is 480p, but that shouldn't be what you're looking for. You'll probably want widescreen right? Some of the brands like Philips and Samsung have CRT based PS WS tubes and offer EDTV resolutions, but for the same dollars...(at least here in Canada) you can get yourself into a few off brand LCD's that supports 720p WS that will make DVD's look great (it's in the bedroom, so no will know it's not name brand) and double scanning is a given with LCD.

There is no FCC legislation (yet) for digital tuners, and as such we're seeing dumping of analog tuner sets at low low pricing. I expect some of the no-name analog 42" plasmas will clear under a grand soon.

I don't think there are any consumer EDTV CRTs. The reason being that, as soon as a CRT is made progressive scan 480p capable, the set is automatically "called" a HDTV (assuming there is not much difference between 480p/540p, though I'm not sure of that). CRTs are analog display devices in the horizontal direction, and SDTV CRTs and HDTV CRTs tend to have the same number of vertical stripes (horizontal resolution). So as soon as you can do 540p lines, you can do 1080i lines, and horizontal resolution (the 1920 "pixels") is just fudged in a sense on CRTs.

I think only the low-resolution Plasmas, DLPs, and LCDs tend to be called EDTVs.

...I think only the low-resolution Plasmas, DLPs, and LCDs tend to be called EDTVs. I don't even think they make DLPs and LCDs in EDTV resolutions. I've only seen Plasmas in EDTV flavors at 42" or smaller.

yes i've seen "EDTV" but only plasmas which have a native resolution of around 800something x 480.. but since those are all 42" and cost alot i dont want to bother..

i've seen low resolutions LCD's but not EDTv..they are usually like 640x480..all the very small LCD's and low resolution LCD's that i've seen are 43 also..

i do prefer i to be 16:9.

I will have to go check out some of the manufacturers websites. thanks guys!

EDTV's will be going away. They only existed to keep the price lower on large, flat-panel displays by keeping the pixel count lower. Now full HD is available in the same price range, so why buy ED other than if it's being blown out at a really low price and you don't care about HD?

Porcupine is right about CRT's, there are no ED CRT's because any ED CRT would also be an HD CRT and be marketed that way. If you want an ED CRT, just get an HD CRT, you won't be spending any more. If you want it to act like an EDTV, just get one without an ATSC tuner ;)

i just check out soem sites, and store sites like best buy(probably checked out a dozen of them)..and sad to say none of them carry a CRT that is 480p capable/compatible.. all SDCRT's are 480i nothing more, nothing less, though some have component video, i cant see the TV taking advantage of it since it only does 480i, whats the point of it lol..

the next closest thing is infact the stupid EDTV's(sorry im not a fan of them lol) oh well it was a shot i thought the market had some CRT's that where 480p compatible but i guess not.. thx

I think what we're trying to tell you is there *are* ED CRT's, only they're called HD CRT's because there is little difference in designing a CRT to display ED as to display HD.

Fixed pixel displays are a different animal. you are paying for every pixel. An ED fixed-pixel display costs less to make than an HD fixed-pixel display.

CRT's are not fixed pixel. It doesn't really cost more to scan 540 lines onto the tube as 480 lines. There is some more cost to be able to support 1920 pixels/line verus 720, but not enough to make an ED CRT worthwhile.

Actually a while back I said I was looking for, and into, possible 480p EDTV CRTs also. Like Boby and I said earlier, 540p is not that much different or more expensive than 480p. But I still think most/all of the modern 540p HDTV CRTs upscale 480i SD to 540p, therefore the image is very slightly softer and not as sharp as on a regular SDTV. If you could get a true 480p CRT maybe SDTV would look better.

You'd probably have problems getting such a set to display HDTV signals, but a 480p CRT would be awesome for playing Dreamcast, GameCube, and XBox games on (they all render internally at 480p, but only with their special VGA cable boxes can they display 480p, on computer monitors).

That being said, I guess there are 2 sources of 480p CRTs that I know of. One are computer monitors of course. :) There are multiple ways to get TV signals to display on computer monitors, I think, but with most of them the resultant video quality is kind of bad which kind of defeats the purpose, mostly only for poor college students without a TV. I use to have a converter box for that purpose long long ago but I lost it already. :)

The other source is that for over 10 years now, some arcade games have come built-in with 480p CRT monitors. They are all 4:3 monitors. That is because many (not all) arcade games like to render at 640x480p. I believe you can also get 480p rear-projection CRTs as well, from certain rare arcade games. However, you would have to go to the arcade and steal the machine and then rip out the TV. Also I have no idea if this even works, as I have no idea what kind of connectors they use. They may even be directly linked to the game circuit boards and not even be compatible as a regular TV.

Here are some games you can steal from that have 480p CRT monitors (not so you can buy or steal these arcade machines, just so you can look and verify with your own eyes they are 480p TVs)...some 10 years old some new. Virtual On Cyber Troopers 1 or 2, Tekken 5 (not 4 and earlier), Time Crisis 2 or 3, most Sega arcade games actually....yes go rip off some Sega arcade games. ^_^;

its no biggie thankx guys..

but im wondering, whats the smallest CRT HDTV on the market? i've only seen two... 30" and 34"!?.. i know theres smaller ones like the Toshibas FST pure flat HDTV's, but why in the heck does no one carry them?! :(

I don't think you're going to find them in stock at a store because people who want HD sets don't want that small a display...

You might find some of the combo HD units, though, as the customers for those products are more interested in size and convenience:

http://www.tacp.toshiba.com/televisions/product.asp?model=MW26G71

Best Buy still has plenty of Toshiba 26HF84s and 26HF85s. This is the smallest 26" CRT HDTV available.

Circuit City no longer carries the recently-discontinued Panasonic CT-26WX15 but some actual stores might still have some in local stock on display, if you are lucky. This one is 26" also, and is only slightly bigger than the Toshiba due to side speakers (but small ones).

Samsung also used to make a 26" CRT long ago I dunno the model number.

The next smallest sets are the Toshiba 30HF85, the new Insignia 30", the Samsung 30" Slimfits with bottom speakers, and various companies' 27" 4:3 aspect HDTVs (Sony, Prima, Samsung, etc). These are all pretty much the exact same size. The 27" sets all have side speakers so they end up being the same size in almost all dimensions as the 30" widescreen sets.