http://www.hi-defworld.com/
This web site claims, streaming on demand hi def video- it looked good! Best I've seen so far without a special player, service or server attached to it.
Even in full screen, no artifacts or freezing. Remember, it's streaming.
It worked fine for me but I have cable. Wonder if it will play as well on DSL? I'd sure like to know.
Does anyone have DSL that could check it out and see?
There's still a lot of DSL users (I assume). If it won't play for DSL then the sweet spot hasn't been found yet. There's got to be a "Dream Stream" that will do it all? After factoring in video size, mbps, encode settings, codecs, software and hardware considerations and the age, speed and net connection type of the viewing computer...it's hard to say. I know, mpeg4 & h264 may change everything. Sure would like to see samples of those and see how they do as well. Thanks!
hdvman
09-11-2005, 12:29 PM
I recieved a reply and realized I needed to explain better...here's the reply-
I'm running dsl (1.5) and the streaming was fine. No hesitation, no pixelation,,,but the picture was horrible. Not hd. The audio, or narration part sounded like she was talking out of a tin can. The dubbed in music was fine but overall I would rate it a 3 out of 10. I tried NUBA's stream site and they blow this site away.
Here's my reply with a better explaination...I hope.
Hi oblioman, my purpose for the post was not to compare one site against another. Besides these 2 sites are as opposite as you can get. One is a commercial site, streaming ppv professionally done movies and events. The other is doing basic streaming (same as in the past) only a lot bigger and crisper thanks to high def camera & new codecs. It's not hi def, you're right, it's hi-def streaming. If you will read my post again it states that it's the best I've seen that "wasn't" connected to/with a special player, service or server or become a registered member. It's just streaming advertising on regular WMPlayer. However, both web sites do have to encode their video to make it work for consumers. That's what I would like to talk about...the Dream Stream if there is such a thing. Hi-def world is streaming at 523mbps, if they encoded at 700+, the video would probably be as good as the other site, but could DSL users see it then. That's all I'm trying to find out. Thanks for your input, Oblioman!
retorq
09-11-2005, 08:09 PM
I've seen that baby with sunglasses before . . I'm pretty sure it wasn't there . . .
hdvman
09-12-2005, 11:04 AM
I've seen that baby with sunglasses before . . I'm pretty sure it wasn't there . . .
OK...Didn't realize that. Something we all needed to know on this video forum, thanks for the heads up. 2 things- you need to start your own thread, if you need to know more about jpeg copying...Alert the media and call the "internet S.W.A.T team" to put an end to this behavior. First thing you know everyone will be copying jpegs off the net.
In the mean time, do you have anything constructive to contribute to the rest of us on this thread, in this "High def VIDEO forum"?
retorq
09-12-2005, 03:32 PM
do you have anything constructive to contribute to the rest of us on this thread, in this "High def VIDEO forum"?
It's funny you mention that, from looking at your videos, you don't have anything high def to add here. Don't go getting all bent our of shape cause you stole someone's logo and I called you on it.
oblioman
09-12-2005, 04:44 PM
I'm just wondering what the he)) happened to my response post???? Another question,,,why stream and use wmp10?? It's a resource hog,,,VLC is less intrusive and will play most anything.
hdvman
09-12-2005, 06:21 PM
It's funny you mention that, from looking at your videos, you don't have anything high def to add here. Don't go getting all bent our of shape cause you stole someone's logo and I called you on it.
I used someone elses web site to illustrate streaming video...have you lost your mind?
retorq
09-12-2005, 09:50 PM
Are you going to post high def videos or not?? :confused:
I used someone elses web site to illustrate streaming video...have you lost your mind?
hdvman
09-13-2005, 10:24 AM
Are you going to post high def videos or not?? :confused:
No...never was! Like I said, you are on the wrong thread. Are you going to post hi def video's, or do you just go around spamming people that are trying to contribute something. Besides, you said you couldn't see good hi def anyway. As long as you have ad/spyware in your computer, how could you.
retorq
09-13-2005, 12:36 PM
You said I had nothing to contribute, you contributed what?? SD real estate crap, you know this is a high def video forum, right??
I see high def fine, spyware has nothing to do with it. You were the one that brought that up.
Do some research, I have 500+ posts, I've contributed alot more than what you have. You contributed SD content and misinformed spyware warnings. Get with it.
hdvman
09-13-2005, 02:37 PM
You said I had nothing to contribute, you contributed what?? SD real estate crap, you know this is a high def video forum, right??
I see high def fine, spyware has nothing to do with it. You were the one that brought that up.
Do some research, I have 500+ posts, I've contributed alot more than what you have. You contributed SD content and misinformed spyware warnings. Get with it.
OK...you got me! Yeah, I brought up spyware. I thought when a forum member starts a thread they got to choose the topic of discussion. Didn't know it was subject to your approval. All right, could you be so kind as to give me a list of topics that meet your genuine seal of approval. I'll bet there's a lot of poeple on this forum that aren't posting videos no more than I want to. 500 posts huh, wow...show me the one with your video contributions. I'd like to see what a great streaming video looks like. I don't want to discuss anything though, I just want to be entertained. Thanks!
I started the SHD thread you jackass. That is what high def streaming video looks like. Get out your notebook and take notes.
Some articles from PC World and PC Mag on how bad the problem really is.
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Look Rerun, I don't know what the hell you're smoking but for the record, one more time, I don't give a flying fat rats butt about either web site or the quality of either video. You got that Forest?
On my thread, this is what I want to talk about, below! If you don't want talk about this subject (ad/spyware) then go back to your own thread where you belong. If you would like me to give you a comparison video, OK
http://www.endorphin.com/
Now, run along.
There is no mention of ad/spyware causing video to freeze. No one has made it an issue yet. Ad/spyware does the exact same thing to your computer as, your virus scan coming on in the middle of video. They both use the computers processor to function. One of the articles states up to a 50 % usage of the computers processing power. That's just one...I get 1 from a site, 4 from another, 8 from another. The article suggests using a free anti-ad/spyware, as I do.
Because it is free you have to do a scan everytime you go off the net and then reboot to complete the delete. There is no auto protection with the free version. Another article states that ad/spyware is the most active (using processor) while on the net, which is my concern. If we have video that we want to be seen, the consumer may have to do a scan before they can watch good video. Consumers aren't going to blame adware for the video freezing and jerking, they're going to blame us. If I am capturing video and suddenly my computer dropped 50% power, what would happen? You'd drop frames. If I was encoding and dropped 50%, what would happen? End product would be pixalated and jerky.
What if I were playing a perfect video and dropped 50%...the player would freeze and jerk.
[It doesn't look like high def video to me when you look at it and it ran on an earlier version of windows media player than wm9 with my computer and i was also only running windows 2000 - not xp. If you click on video properties on the wm player it tells me that the vid resolution is only 720x400 and the bit rate is very low - only 539 kbps. WM9 is a very efficient compression and MPEG2 which is
the standard for dvd's at the moment would need to run at around
2 MBPS to achieve a similar compression quality. This is what has finally made hdtv feasable, it's about improving compression technology to get the bit rates down to something more managable and storageble. WM9 andH264 codecs have started to address this issue. DVD's run at around 6 - 8 MBPS MPEG2 on standard resolution PAL, if you tryed HIGH DEF with MPEG2 you would wind up with about 15 MBPS so the new WM9 and other codecs are developed to get this down to around 7 MBPS.
