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Dual Receiver 322 Installation Question

hieunknown
08-15-2005, 02:24 PM
I've just had my Disnetwork system installed on 4 rooms yesterday. I had two 811 installed on the first 2 room and one 322 dual receiver installed for the third and fourth rooms. The technician told me that the 322 required 2 seperated cables coming in. Luckily, the 3rd and the 4th rooms have same wall and their cable boxes are connected so this is what he did.
The 3 cables coming from 2 satellite dishes are connected to a 3x4 switches. The first 3 rooms are connected directly to the first 3 output of the switch. For the fourth room, he cut the cable and combined them thru a switch to the dual box. At the dual box, he used another switch to split out again and 1 went to dish2 input, the other one went to dish2 output. This is working but you cannot move the reciever to other rooms in your house.
My question is if this is a correct way to connect this receiver. At my sister house, the technician used only 1 cable coming out of the wall and he installed 2 switches before going in the dual. Maybe he had another switch at the cable box (outside the house). The nice thing about this set up is you can move the cable box to different rooms and just change the cable connected to those switches.
My other question is if the output of dish2 (going to the second TV) is regular cable signal. It means that it doesn't have DC and can be splitted like a regular cable signal.
I just don't like that I have he drilled my wall to run the second cable and I can't move the receiver to different rooms. I have 6-room house and only 3 receivers.

hieunknown
08-15-2005, 05:59 PM
I think the guy has installed the DP34 for me instead of a DPP44 as in my sister house. The DPP44 and a DPP seperator will need only 1 cable to a dual receiver 322.

Nightlife1970
08-15-2005, 06:18 PM
That could be true, that a DP34 was used at your house and a DP44 was used at your sisters. I can't really make sense of what you describe in your first post, but sometimes there is not much the installer can do with the dual tunners. They can not be moved around as easy as the single units. It really depends on what equipment he was given to do the install and how your house is set up.

fredinva
08-15-2005, 10:12 PM
You've got 4 receivers which required a Quad, thus 2 lines to the 322.

Only one coax run to a 322/separator, but this needs a Dish Pro Plus lnb. A DPP lnb can handle 2 twin tuner receivers, but not 2 811s and a 322.

fred

Nightlife1970
08-16-2005, 09:38 AM
Ok now I think I understand your post. You said At my sister house, the technician used only 1 cable coming out of the wall and he installed 2 switches before going in the dual.

Those 2 switches as you called them, are a Diplexor and a DP seperator. The Diplexor allows the cable to carry the second TV output of the 322 back to the 2nd TV on the same coax. The DP Seperator allows the single coax run to drive both tuners of the 322 with the use of a DPP Twin.

Because you have 2x811 and a 322 a DPP Twin could not be used, so they used a DP Twin and a DP34 to give you the needed 4 lines. A DPP Twin could be used on one 811 and a 322, but not with 3 seperate receivers. Thus yoour 322 will have 2 lines comming into it and a line going out to the 2nd TV.

hieunknown
08-16-2005, 02:01 PM
I think both of you are right. I didn't know that a DPP44 can't handle 3 seperated receivers alone. I have checked the system at my sister house and they had to put a power amplifier at each 811. I think the cost is much more such that they didn't want to do it here. However, the installation guy didn't explain to me so. He's just insisted that there was no way to use 1 cable for the 322. I also talked to at least 6 people at Dishnetwork yesterday and none of them gave me the correct answer either. Most of them said I need to seperated cables. Some of them said I need to have 4 satellites to have the DPP44 installled. Only 2 of them know it is doable with the DPP44 but they want me to pay for it because they have to send somebody out to replace the equipments. I think it is reasonable but why they didn't do it right at the first time. I think DN provides all the equipments free but my stupid installation guy just didn't use them or didn't know how to use them correctly. Be aware of those installation guys.

hieunknown
08-16-2005, 02:02 PM
I think both of you are right. I didn't know that a DPP44 can't handle 3 seperated receivers alone. I have checked the system at my sister house and they had to put a power amplifier at each 811. I think the cost is much more such that they didn't want to do it here. However, the installation guy didn't explain to me so. He's just insisted that there was no way to use 1 cable for the 322. I also talked to at least 6 people at Dishnetwork yesterday and none of them gave me the correct answer either. Most of them said I need two seperated cables. Some of them said I need to have 4 satellites in order to have the DPP44 installed. Only 2 of them know it is doable with the DPP44 but they want me to pay for it because they have to send somebody out to replace the equipments. I think it is reasonable but why they didn't do it right at the first time. I think DN provides all the equipments free but my stupid installation guy just didn't use them or didn't know how to use them correctly. Be aware of those installation guys.

Nightlife1970
08-16-2005, 05:49 PM
A DPP44 can handle up to 4 seperate receivers. A DPP44 would only be used if you needed 4 sat locations. It appears that you only have 3, that is why they would only use a DP34. That is also why you have to have 2 cables to the 322.

Dish is not going to give you a $200.00 switch because you want it. It would be needed in the system. Even for the people that need a DPP44 to get the 4 sats they have to pay 200.00 extra for the dish and a DPP44. They are getting a little break for the second dish, but in your situation you would have to pay the extra to get a DPP44.

Also I don't know what you are talking about as far a power amplifiers for the 811's. There would be 1 power inserter on the number 1 port of a DPP44 to power the switch.

Why does you sister have a DPP44? Did she pay for it? Does she need 4 sat locations?

hieunknown
08-16-2005, 08:11 PM
My sister didn't have to pay a penny for her system and she even refused to install the second dish. The guy just asked her if she wanted to drill a hole and run a second cable for the 322 or just wanted 1 cable. Of course it's easy to answer that question. She subcribed thru Radio Shack while I called directly to DN. I think because it doesn't support 3 seperated receivers so the signals coming to the 811 is not strong enough that why the guy had to run it thru an amplifier. The guy even said the amplifiers were needed for the 811's working. I think the guy knew the trick and yes, he had to use a seperator and diplexer. Can we use the same connection with DP34?

Nightlife1970
08-17-2005, 01:57 PM
You can not use a seperator with a DP34, won't work.

The only thing you could do is buy a DPP44 switch and have it installed. It's gonna cost you though. Like I said the switch is around $200.00 plus install.