Panasonic TC-P50V10 vs TC-P50G10 worth the extra money?

i am trying to help my dad pick a 50 inch plasma and these seem to be the highest rated and most reliable. i suggested the V10 but the only problem is the V10 is around $850 more expensive. from what i have read the V10 is the costlier and superior TV overall but is it worth $700-$850 more than the G10?

from what i can tell the improvements of the V10 are...

1)a one sheet of glass design that gives the TV a slick look

2)more picture controls/settings to get the color better(the G10 supposedly has a yellowish green tint in a certain mode)

3)better video processing including 96Hz refresh rate compared to 60Hz refresh rate on the G10.

any other upgrades on the V10 i am missing?


how important are the extra picture controls and better refresh rate? will the G10 really have a yellow/green tint when watching everything? if i am watching 1080p/hi def material on the G10 with 60Hz refresh rate will i see "flicker" that is noticeable? what exactly is flicker? is the difference between 60 Hz and 96Hz smoothness on plasma negligible or huge?

i am not a really picky viewer and i am used to watching a 10 year old large projection TV but i look at a brand new TV as an investment and naturally i want the best. the V10 and G10 are rated number 2 and 3 best HDTVs respectively by cnet but with a huge price difference...is the V10 worth all the extra money or will the G10 perform almost as well and fit my needs just fine?

any advice is appreciated...thanks

The V10 has a more user tweakable picture settings to get that perfect picture and 96Hz processing for Blu-rays recorded at 24 frames per second! A lot of people find the G10s 48Hz processing causes film flicker, but then choose the 60Hz setting with 3:2 pulldown. I'm not saying that the G10 isn't a great plasma, just saying the V10 is better.

Whenever you take film recorded at 24fps and convert it to 60fps (frames per second) you get what is called 3:2 pulldown, think of it like not running an LCD monitor at it's native resolution. Now imagine being able to view the original film in the home with no conversion. It's not that big a deal as it sounds, we have been viewing 3:2 pulldown for as long as I can remember, I have to have the best!

The 96Hz refresh rate is only used when playing a BD movie at 24Fps output. Otherwise you will just use 60Hz that uses 2:3 pulldown that we have been using for decades to watch movies, so there would be no flicker but simply the judder we have seen for those decades. Flicker is only an issue if you try to have the models (G10/G15) below the V10 series use the 48Hz output mode instead of 2:3 pulldown at 60Hz.

As far as picture quality possibilities they are closer than they appear since they use the same panel AFAIK, and although the V10 does have some additional controls I believe they would be a subtle PQ difference for the average person.

Personally, I do not think that much of a price premium is worth it for me. I am big on value and bang for the buck as the viewpoint I have on this. Would I prefer the V10 ofer the G series? Yeah for sure, but that premium to ME is too much for ME to justify it. I guess it is a matter of what type of buyer you are. Are you a I want the best or best I can stretch to afford, or are you more concerned about bang for the buck?

Hope this helps!

thank you for the responses so far. i am leaning towards the G10 because of the price difference.

let me get this straight...on both tvs i will be using 60Hz to watch HD programming and play 1080p video games but only use the 96Hz refresh rate only when watching blue ray movies on the V10? do you think i will notice the judder or is that pretty normal up until now?the G10 has a 24p function...does that do anything?

the PQ will be near the same but will i see that yellowish green tint or can that be taken care of with a calibration disk or something like that?

as long as their is no yellowish green tint and no noticable imperfections watching blu ray i am leaning towards the G10.

I think you will be happy with both. I just got my V10 and for me I have read people complain that there S and G series TVs have flicker with BD movies. I decided that I didn't want to chance it and went with the V series for the 96hz. It seems that flicker doesn't bother everyone as much so you might be fine.

thank you for the responses so far. i am leaning towards the G10 because of the price difference.

let me get this straight...on both tvs i will be using 60Hz to watch HD programming and play 1080p video games but only use the 96Hz refresh rate only when watching blue ray movies on the V10? do you think i will notice the judder or is that pretty normal up until now?the G10 has a 24p function...does that do anything?

the PQ will be near the same but will i see that yellowish green tint or can that be taken care of with a calibration disk or something like that?

as long as their is no yellowish green tint and no noticable imperfections watching blu ray i am leaning towards the G10.

Don't confuse the 60Hz signal from an HD source with 96Hz processing for 1080p/24 Blu-ray movies, there not the same thing. The 96Hz processing for Blu-ray movies is to remove film flicker from Blu-ray movies recorded at 24 frames per second, HDTV is done at 60Hz or 60 frames per second. HDTV and BD movies is a two headed dragon, ones film based and the other is video based. Plasmas that don't have any special processing for BD movie playback fine without film flicker, it's just an option to view movies as they were seen in theaters!

thats interesting...an extra option to watch movies as they were seen in theaters. i just wish i could see the difference...any videos clips or anything like that online?

do a lot of HDTVs have 96Hz refresh for the blu ray/24p or is the 60Hz the standard?

are all blu ray fims recorded at 24 frames per second?

gosh all this information makes it so much harder to make a decision...now i have found out about the 5o inch kuro at around 2k or less and that is supposed to be the best TV ever? maybe i will make a post about that...

thanks for the information...i am sure i will have more questions.
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another thing thats weird is i have seen the G10 discounted a lot in many places but the V10 is pretty much full price.

thats interesting...an extra option to watch movies as they were seen in theaters. i just wish i could see the difference...any videos clips or anything like that online?

do a lot of HDTVs have 96Hz refresh for the blu ray/24p or is the 60Hz the standard?

are all blu ray fims recorded at 24 frames per second?

gosh all this information makes it so much harder to make a decision...now i have found out about the 5o inch kuro at around 2k or less and that is supposed to be the best TV ever? maybe i will make a post about that...

thanks for the information...i am sure i will have more questions.
this is a great resource

Kuros have 72Hz processing for blu-ray I believe, the V10 has better blacks though. No LCD that I know of have the option to for 24fps film, it's for now a plasma only feature. The reason why the V10 is full price is because there in high demand, not that the G10 isn't an excellent plasma. Take your time in making your decision, there's no need to be rushing it.

I have a g15 and on the 48hz there is very noticeable flickering.. but on the 2:3 pulldown it looks very good and no flicker.

I have a g15 and on the 48hz there is very noticeable flickering.. but on the 2:3 pulldown it looks very good and no flicker.

I'm told that the European version of the G10 has 96Hz processing, don't know why Panasonic even bothered to incorporate the 48Hz processing option!

I have a g15 and on the 48hz there is very noticeable flickering.. but on the 2:3 pulldown it looks very good and no flicker.

That's nice to know. That whole deal is what put me on pause but I'd still prefer a 42 v10 lol. I have no idea at all why they'd add the 48hz either..

i am defeinatley going to take my time...i want to research more about the poineer 500m...i have seen it for around $1500.

thanks for all the help so far...gotta love the internet :)

Kuros have 72Hz processing for blu-ray I believe, the V10 has better blacks though. No LCD that I know of have the option to for 24fps film, it's for now a plasma only feature. The reason why the V10 is full price is because there in high demand, not that the G10 isn't an excellent plasma. Take your time in making your decision, there's no need to be rushing it.

Actually the Pioneer KUROs still have a little better black levels than even the V10 series Panasonics. ;)

KUROs are still king for black elvels and over all the best display available, but they are not made anymore since Pioneer got out of the display business completely so the inventories still in stores are getting low.

I'm told that the European version of the G10 has 96Hz processing, don't know why Panasonic even bothered to incorporate the 48Hz processing option!

That's nice to know. That whole deal is what put me on pause but I'd still prefer a 42 v10 lol. I have no idea at all why they'd add the 48hz either..

Theaters that still use film projectors (most still do this in the USA) instead of digital projectors actually DO display at 48HZ which means they repeat the same 24Fps frame 2x but with the analog film the flicker is not as great as on digital displays but some still notice such flicker in the theaters. The refresh rate is tied into the frequency of the USA electrical system which is 60Hz/120Volts to avoid flicker unless you go higher than 60Hz.

i am defeinatley going to take my time...i want to research more about the poineer 500m...i have seen it for around $1500.

thanks for all the help so far...gotta love the internet :)

That model is a monitor only which means it has no internal speakers so you will need a separate sound system to get audio.

I am actually in the same boat.

For the longest time, I have had my eye on the V10 just waiting for the right price, but I am starting to see the G10/G15 drop in price at a much faster rate.

My company actually has an employee purchase program with Panasonic, so I can get some really good deals on the 2009 Viera's.

Right now the 50G15 is at $1024, and the 50V10 is at $1512.

While watching blu rays will be an important aspect of my viewing experience, what would you guys do? Is a $500 difference really worth the extra settings and 24p playback?

I'm on the fence now.

(Also, I am in no rush to get a TV at this point. I'm fine waiting 3-4 months for the right price on either. Do you guys think the prices will drop as time goes on? Or does it usually hit its lowest point around black friday than trickle back up a bit?)

Thanks guys!

I am actually in the same boat.

For the longest time, I have had my eye on the V10 just waiting for the right price, but I am starting to see the G10/G15 drop in price at a much faster rate.

My company actually has an employee purchase program with Panasonic, so I can get some really good deals on the 2009 Viera's.

Right now the 50G15 is at $1024, and the 50V10 is at $1512.

While watching blu rays will be an important aspect of my viewing experience, what would you guys do? Is a $500 difference really worth the extra settings and 24p playback?

I'm on the fence now.

(Also, I am in no rush to get a TV at this point. I'm fine waiting 3-4 months for the right price on either. Do you guys think the prices will drop as time goes on? Or does it usually hit its lowest point around black friday than trickle back up a bit?)

Thanks guys!

If you can see the difference between 1080p60 vs. 1080p24 when playing a Blu-ray it would be worth the extra money. If you don't see the difference it would not be (as is the the case for many viewers).

If you can see the difference between 1080p60 vs. 1080p24 when playing a Blu-ray it would be worth the extra money. If you don't see the difference it would not be (as is the the case for many viewers).

Good point. I'll try and see if a local Best Buy would set something like that up for me to see side by side.

Would you (or anyone else) know anything about the usual price trend? I've never really bought a big screen TV, so I don't know what the cheapest point of the year usually is. Black Friday? Christmas? After Christmas? Of course a product will get cheaper in general overtime, but I assume there will be peaks and dips within that. Any help is appreciated!

Good point. I'll try and see if a local Best Buy would set something like that up for me to see side by side.

Would you (or anyone else) know anything about the usual price trend? I've never really bought a big screen TV, so I don't know what the cheapest point of the year usually is. Black Friday? Christmas? After Christmas? Of course a product will get cheaper in general overtime, but I assume there will be peaks and dips within that. Any help is appreciated!

Right now they are the cheapest I have seen them. Sears has already posted their Black Friday ad and there are several Panasonic plasma TV's there. Check that out. Other than that, buying now will be of the most benefit to your viewing pleasure...

Right now they are the cheapest I have seen them. Sears has already posted their Black Friday ad and there are several Panasonic plasma TV's there. Check that out. Other than that, buying now will be of the most benefit to your viewing pleasure...

Alright, thanks again man!

By the way ... is that your setup in your sig? Isn't that like a 30k TV? Geeze ... that's tight as hell.

That model is a monitor only which means it has no internal speakers so you will need a separate sound system to get audio.

i was planning on buying a surround system anyway...even with the surround system and stand the kuro would still be cheaper than the V10

man i have now read a lot of mind blowing info on the kuro. i still have more to learn and more questions but this TV is really looking like the winner to me right now.

i was planning on buying a surround system anyway...even with the surround system and stand the kuro would still be cheaper than the V10

man i have now read a lot of mind blowing info on the kuro. i still have more to learn and more questions but this TV is really looking like the winner to me right now.

Check out deal #3 here:

http://www.valueelectronics.com/

So the break in, extended warranty and the ISF day/night patch AND pro calibration. This is a great deal IMO.

Alright, thanks again man!

By the way ... is that your setup in your sig? Isn't that like a 30k TV? Geeze ... that's tight as hell.

Yes it is awesome but I didn't pay $30k for it. Got a real good deal as I did a review and tested it for them (Panasonic America).

Check out deal #3 here:

http://www.valueelectronics.com/

So the break in, extended warranty and the ISF day/night patch AND pro calibration. This is a great deal IMO.

that all sounds great but is super expensive....i can find the set for $1550 shipped and with a sound system and stand i will hopefully probably be paying less than 2k which is right in my budget...do i NEED all that extra stuff? cant i break it in and callibrate it myself with a disk? cnet also says it comes out of the box with one of the best PQ they have seen. also pioneer seems to have an extremely low defect rate and cnet suggests not buying the extended warranty as do many here because of very little chance of problems. if i pay with my credit card i heard they will extend the warranty to 2 years...do i really need to buy an extended warranty past 2 years?

i am trying to get my dad to buy one of these real soon and i will hopefully be able to buy one in 1-2 months. i see these KRP-500m at a lot of different sites...do you think they will still be available at least for a few months?

you seem to know everything so i might as well ask some more questions...what is the deal with the lack of HD tuner on this monitor? if i want to watch HD programing from verizon/dish network/brighthouse do i need this? how much do they cost on their own? i thought the network provider would make you get a HD box regardless ... please explain

i think there is only 2 HDMI inputs on the KRP-500M... can i still watch HD programming, PS3 gaming/blu ray with that many inputs? is there a function for the computer input? is this monitor lacking any other essential functions/inputs? does this set come with an amp for hook up with a sound system?

i have heard people complain about the set buzzing or being loud...some say it is way over hyped and they can only hear when they put their head right next to the set with no noise....what do you think?

sorry for all the questions PFC5 but you seem to be the knowledgeable one helping me out every step of the way so far along with techlord so i really appreciate the advice and information :bowdown:

I don't see the Panny V10s dropping in price unless you twist the salesman's arm during the negotiations! :lol:

I don't see the Panny V10s dropping in price unless you twist the salesman's arm during the negotiations! :lol:

what is this negotiation you guys speak of?...there are really no small electronics stores here and everything is a set price (atleast at best buy) i dont get the statements "i was offered a TV for less"...sales people at big electronics stores dont have the right to negotiate and they dont work for commission.

???

what is this negotiation you guys speak of?...there are really no small electronics stores here and everything is a set price (atleast at best buy) i dont get the statements "i was offered a TV for less"...sales people at big electronics stores dont have the right to negotiate and they dont work for commission.

???

yeah, they can.

See what you can do with the price in the store, but it's a little hard with the V series because people really want them and they seem to be hard to get. I know with mine it took best buy 3 days to find mine and it was on the west coast of Florida. Some one had ordered it and then decided on the 58 before they picked it up.

Actually the Pioneer KUROs still have a little better black levels than even the V10 series Panasonics. ;)

That is true but Panny V10 has better shadow details than Kuro...:D

thats interesting...
do a lot of HDTVs have 96Hz refresh for the blu ray/24p or is the 60Hz the standard?

Simple answer is No. That is why V10 is so popular and expensive compared to G10/15. In short, it is novelty but video purists want the best and V10 caters to them. I am sure all brands will have this feature next year as it is quite popular. In case you are wondering, I am saving money to buy 65 inch V10...:)

that all sounds great but is super expensive....i can find the set for $1550 shipped and with a sound system and stand i will hopefully probably be paying less than 2k which is right in my budget...do i NEED all that extra stuff? cant i break it in and callibrate it myself with a disk? cnet also says it comes out of the box with one of the best PQ they have seen. also pioneer seems to have an extremely low defect rate and cnet suggests not buying the extended warranty as do many here because of very little chance of problems. if i pay with my credit card i heard they will extend the warranty to 2 years...do i really need to buy an extended warranty past 2 years?

i am trying to get my dad to buy one of these real soon and i will hopefully be able to buy one in 1-2 months. i see these KRP-500m at a lot of different sites...do you think they will still be available at least for a few months?

you seem to know everything so i might as well ask some more questions...what is the deal with the lack of HD tuner on this monitor? if i want to watch HD programing from verizon/dish network/brighthouse do i need this? how much do they cost on their own? i thought the network provider would make you get a HD box regardless ... please explain

i think there is only 2 HDMI inputs on the KRP-500M... can i still watch HD programming, PS3 gaming/blu ray with that many inputs? is there a function for the computer input? is this monitor lacking any other essential functions/inputs? does this set come with an amp for hook up with a sound system?

i have heard people complain about the set buzzing or being loud...some say it is way over hyped and they can only hear when they put their head right next to the set with no noise....what do you think?

sorry for all the questions PFC5 but you seem to be the knowledgeable one helping me out every step of the way so far along with techlord so i really appreciate the advice and information :bowdown:

You can break it in and calibrate it with a disc, but it will not be as good as a pro calibration. If you are looking for the absolute best PQ then a pro calibration is part of that cost.

Pioneer is getting out of the display business and although they should have parts to repair them for a few years according to what they have stated, what if they don't have any more of the part YOU need? Having a warranty that will refund your money would protect you.

As far as how long the KRP 500M will be available it is impossible to say since I do not know the local inventory in your area and how big the demand currently is or what that demand will be between now and when you buy it. Sorry I cannot help here.

Tuners add to the cost of a display so this was a cost cutting measure for those who never use the speakers or tuners because they have a sound system and a cable/sat box anyway.

If you get a receiver that has multiple HDMI inputs you will be fine with only 2 HDMI inputs. Just make sure you get a "real" receiver that has this as some of the cheap HTiB (Home Theater in a Box) sound systems do not and they also are not very upgradable as a whole because they tend to use proprietary components like odd ohm specs both for the HTiB and for the speakers as well.

I do not own a Pioneer plasma unfortunately so the buzzing will have to be answered by someone who does own one.

Hope this helps!

what is this negotiation you guys speak of?...there are really no small electronics stores here and everything is a set price (atleast at best buy) i dont get the statements "i was offered a TV for less"...sales people at big electronics stores dont have the right to negotiate and they dont work for commission.

???

I'm talking about Best Buy, they will and have negotiated a little because they know I could just go and buy it online with no sales tax which is exactly what I did! Best Buy was able to match the price on Amazon, but not including sales tax! So I took the almost $200 dollars and put it towards my Oppo BD player! :thumbsup:

I went to Ken Cranes today and saw two Panasonic TCP54V10s side by side, one calibrated and one not! Enough to make a grown man cry, I got screwed! They were selling the TCP50V10 for $1844, it was on Vivid mode and wasn't putting out much heat at all! I was really shocked! :eek:

I'm talking about Best Buy, they will and have negotiated a little because they know I could just go and buy it online with no sales tax which is exactly what I did! Best Buy was able to match the price on Amazon, but not including sales tax! So I took the almost $200 dollars and put it towards my Oppo BD player! :thumbsup:

I went to Ken Cranes today and saw two Panasonic TCP54V10s side by side, one calibrated and one not! Enough to make a grown man cry, I got screwed! They were selling the TCP50V10 for $1844, it was on Vivid mode and wasn't putting out much heat at all! I was really shocked! :eek:

i know best buy does price match but i dont really associate that with actual negotiation.