samsung unb7000 vs samsung Ln46B4750 vs sony KDL-46z5100 or pani TC-p42g15

Hi, I am a new registered user, but have read your forums often, and find people here are very Knowledgeable. I am torn between the above mentioned. They are having a good deal on the samsung unb7000 now(300 additional off with code). I was all ready to purchase, but then read that the samsungs were having a lot of problems with HDMI ports, and even when fixed, were still problematic(issue with cheap parts samsung is using?).
So here I am. I will be using it in a room that is about 10x12, and the the tv will be mounted on a wall about 10.5 feet away. The viewing will be almost directly in front of the tv(maybe 2 degree angle if on far end of the couch). The room is a southern facing room, so it gets a lot of sunlight during the day, and there are two windows with blinds(but still a lot of light comes in during the day). I know the plasma is not great for this, but I love panasonic products, and it is the least expensive choice.

That all being said, I am very confused. I am willing to spend about $1700.00 at the most, and want something that will hold up well. Also, the tv will be mounted on a wall(it is a plaster wall), so weight is somewhat of a concern, as well as size. All of the above mentioned will fit weight and size requirements. When I went to Best Buy, the guy told me that they can't install tvs on plaster walls, but I have done research that says that if you install on the studs, it shouldn't be a problem. I have heavy clocks etc. installed on my walls, and never had a problem.
Thanks for any advice, or if you can think of another tv which would be a good choice(and save me money)please let me know. The internet/widget thing is cool, but not necessary. I do like to watch action things as well as sports, so the higher 120/240/660 rate is something nice(120 would be fine from the reviews I read). I also want to get a blueray player, and watch tv/sports in HD.
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I can tell you that you will be disappointed with the Samsung LED 7000. I returned my Samsung 558000 LED after two weeks. The direct center viewing is really good but just a few degrees of angle it's gets really bad fast. Picture is really washed out. The blur on it was also to much for me even with the 240hz of the 8000 series. I switch to a Panasonic Plasma. I'm much happier with it. No complaints so far beside it's heavier and thicker then the Samsung LED, but that really doesn't mean anything to me.

thanks for the reply. I agree with everything that I have read, but I am really concerned that the plasma tv is not going to work in my room. It is very bright during the day. I went to best buy again, and the plasmas look so much darker and reflect the light in the store. Is it possible to correct this for different room lighting? From what you have said, would a regular lcd be better then the led. It is very hard when looking in the store regarding irregularities. Even the best buy employee said that the tvs aren't adjusted, and they are just attached to a coaxial cable. If I can adjust the lighting on the pani, then I woudl consider it, but from all I have read, peoples biggest complaint with the plasmas is the reflection, and the dark display in bright room settings.
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I do believe a conventional LCD would be a better choice, I think conventional LCDs provide a little more natural blacks (Samsung B750 Series) without crushing the shadow detail. LEDs have great blacks but suffer in shadow detail to get those deep black levels, plus there not worth the extra expense IMO! There's always a solution to controling the outside light, it depends how far you are willing to go. A shade outside the window helps block most sunlight from outside my place, it's one huge sliding glass door.

A plasma (G10 50") being desired will be a few hundred dollars cheaper than say a Samsung LN52B750 as an example, to tell you the truth an LCD is not much better in a brightly lit room with the reflection you (I) would get unless it had a matte screen. Don't confuse LCDs 240Hz with plasmas 600Hz as plasmas are 1000 times faster at "motion resolution" than LCD, motion wise plasma wins hands down! You have to choose based on what pros and cons suits your needs.

thanks. So are you happy with your samsung? Any problems, complaints? In a review I read from cnet, it stated that an update for the led 7000 took care of the flickering, but I guess there are still other issues with it. I find it so funny that plasmas aren't very popular in this country, when many reviews are more favorable for them. The guy at best buy told me that plasmas are more popular in europe then lcds.
It is like wagons and hatchback cars. Europeans love them, most Americans don't. Thanks again for all the feedback.

I'm curiuos on this now too. We're looking at a TV to put above the fireplace in our living room. The kitchen is attached to the living room. The fireplace/TV is opposite to the kitchen (facing the kitchen). The seating area for the viewer is in the middle of the room (back faces the kitchen). The viewing angle of where the TV will be, puts the kitchen directly in it's reflection. And the kitchen is a very bright room with sliding glass doors, so it's hard to eliminate most of the light. There are also 4 large windows in the living room, adjacent to the fireplace. The TV itself will mostly be above any windows, so the TV should be in a pretty shaded area... but I'm worried about glare from the opposite side of the room behind the viewer. Is this reflection the issue with plasma? Or is the issue more direct sunlight hitting the TV? I see the reflection being a deal-breaker for me... but the direct sunlight not being too bad. Thanks!

thanks. So are you happy with your samsung? Any problems, complaints? In a review I read from cnet, it stated that an update for the led 7000 took care of the flickering, but I guess there are still other issues with it. I find it so funny that plasmas aren't very popular in this country, when many reviews are more favorable for them. The guy at best buy told me that plasmas are more popular in europe then lcds.
It is like wagons and hatchback cars. Europeans love them, most Americans don't. Thanks again for all the feedback.

For the most part yes, it's the best LCD I think is available on the market right now. Plasmas would be more popular here in the USA if Best Buy salesmen weren't so full of BS, they want to make their boss happy and sell the displays that cost more, most don't know any better! Why show me an LCD in such an ultra bright room, my home is completely opposite? Plasmas perform in the "home" and not in the unrealistic environment at Best Buy.


@ all_bran, the reflection is going to be an issue with both LCD or plasma, never have any direct sunlight on any display!

@ all_bran, the reflection is going to be an issue with both LCD or plasma, never have any direct sunlight on any display!

That's what I'm saying though. I'm not going to have direct sunlight on the TV itself because it's going to be higher up on the fireplace. But there will be a lot of stuff in the room that will be in direct sunlight.

LCD's have that matted anti-reflective screen, right? And plasmas have that shiny glass screen? Thus, I'm worried/wondering if it will make a terrible background reflection in the plasma screen vs the LCD. Am I understanding this issue correctly? or do I have it all wrong and is direct sunlight on the TV screen the main issue?

Thanks!

thanks. I agree about the people in best buy. I went again today to see the pani g10 vs. the samsung 750(I think I have narrowed it down to these two), and the only g10 they had was a 50 inch. I asked if they had the 42 or 46 inch, and he told me they don't make it. I stated that they do make them, and then he corrected himself, and said they may make them, but bb doesn't carry it. I also agree that the lighting in there is pretty bad, and it is hard to tell. I am torn because I could get a better price online, but I almost feel that at least if I buy it at bb, I can exchange it for another tv if it doesn't work out. Many online stores do not accept returns, or if they do, you have to ship it out which is expensive in its own right.
Well, I am still torn. Samsung 46 inch 750, or the pani 46 inch g15. I do have to say that seeing the 7000 again was really nice, but in my heart of hearts, I agree that the difference is not that significant, and for the difference in the price, I can get a blueray player. I also want to get a simple sound system also, but may save that for a later date. I guess one of my concerns also with the plasma is that it is heavier then the lcd for the same size, and if I put on a swivel mount, would the 10-15 pound difference be a big deal?

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That's what I'm saying though. I'm not going to have direct sunlight on the TV itself because it's going to be higher up on the fireplace. But there will be a lot of stuff in the room that will be in direct sunlight.

LCD's have that matted anti-reflective screen, right? And plasmas have that shiny glass screen? Thus, I'm worried/wondering if it will make a terrible background reflection in the plasma screen vs the LCD. Am I understanding this issue correctly? or do I have it all wrong and is direct sunlight on the TV screen the main issue?

Thanks!

It sounds like you might have to make some changes to the room where your display will be, wooden shutters will help out a lot.

It sounds like you might have to make some changes to the room where your display will be, wooden shutters will help out a lot.

Nope, you just confirmed that I'll need to get an LCD instead of Plasma. Wooden shutters are a no-no with the Mrs... so I need the most "bright room friendly" TV there is. We have an LCD in this room now (smaller 32" LG), so I don't think another LCD will be an issue. I was just weighing the possibility of getting a PLasma. But it sounds like it's going to be too risky...

Thanks!!

Nope, you just confirmed that I'll need to get an LCD instead of Plasma. Wooden shutters are a no-no with the Mrs... so I need the most "bright room friendly" TV there is. We have an LCD in this room now (smaller 32" LG), so I don't think another LCD will be an issue. I was just weighing the possibility of getting a PLasma. But it sounds like it's going to be too risky...

Thanks!!

If you can make the LCD brighter than the light coming in.... :D

Now there's someone who made a decision cast in stone! :lol: