Buying a gaming LCD TV...Help!!!

hello tou all.i need help for buying an lcd tv.i love playing games on PS3 and XBOX360 and so i want your opinion.
I want to enjoy games graphics like the upcoming Final Fantasy XIII,Tekken 6 etc.i prefer 37-40 inches.
the 3 finalists in my mind right now are Philips 37PFL8404,Samsung LE-37B650 and panasonic L37V10E.
I'm looking forward to your suggestions.

42" Panasonic plasma, ftw

I second the Panny 42" as well. We do better with fast motion games with the plasma over when we had a DLP then a LCD hooked up to it.

hello tou u.i also say get plasma.there's no reason it has to be a panasonic.

Games like Tekken have very fast movement in them, I remember playing those type of games on CRTs and know for a fact that LCD will not be as quick!

I second the Panny 42" as well. We do better with fast motion games with the plasma over when we had a DLP then a LCD hooked up to it.http://www.tracker-analytics.com/track/img/3358/s09v0317fvxp/00.gif

Agreed! I think the answer is clear ... Panasonic all the way. Best one to get at the moment. :banana:

hello tou u.i also say get plasma.there's no reason it has to be a panasonic.

Panasonic is more resistant to Image Retention than Samsung and I couldn't recommend a LG plasma to ANYONE after what I saw my friend go through with 3 of those LG plasmas. Panny also has deeper blacks compared to Samsung although Samsung has slightly more accurate colors, but not many will notice the colors as much as the poorer black level and IR issues with Samsung IMO.

The best plasma is still the Pioneer plasmas but with Pioneer exiting the display business completely and available Pioneer plasmas getting thin everywhere now that leaves Panasonic as the next best thing in the majority's opinion.

Panasonic sells more plasmas than anyone else for years and has consistently been rated the most reliable and has the better tech support as well.

Panasonic is more resistant to Image Retention than Samsung and I couldn't recommend a LG plasma to ANYONE after what I saw my friend go through with 3 of those LG plasmas. Panny also has deeper blacks compared to Samsung although Samsung has slightly more accurate colors, but not many will notice the colors as much as the poorer black level and IR issues with Samsung IMO.

The best plasma is still the Pioneer plasmas but with Pioneer exiting the display business completely and available Pioneer plasmas getting thin everywhere now that leaves Panasonic as the next best thing in the majority's opinion.

Panasonic sells more plasmas than anyone else for years and has consistently been rated the most reliable and has the better tech support as well.

Can you imagine what Panasonic's reaction was when they learned of Pioneer leaving the plasma business?

Can you imagine what Panasonic's reaction was when they learned of Pioneer leaving the plasma business?

It was likely mixed since they were building a factory geared towards making the Pioneer panels for them so they lost some serious revenue potential to help pay for the building/setup/tooling of that factory as a result but now have more of a market share also.

One thing to note is that Pioneer didn't have a very big plasma market share due to their plasma prices being often double what Panasonic charged for theirs. They made the best plasmas, but you paid a lot more for that last say 5% improvement and THAT is what ultimately forced Pioneer out of the plasma market. Not many people would pay twice the money for the arguably 5% PQ improvement as it was hard to justify the high premium for the much smaller gain in PQ that many people likely wouldn't even notice unless they were side by side.

So seeing as the PLASMA freaks are out in full force once more I will suggest the LCD.

I do game, not all the time but I game on a LCD and have on two different LCD's.

1080p 120 Hz 32" Sharp Aquous and a 1080p 120 Hz 46" SONY. Both great for gaming. Personally if you have the room and money go bigger then 40", you wont regret it.

1080p, 120Hz these are two things you want to look for in an LCD for gaming.

I have no problems ever with gaming on my LCD. Also the graphics look stunning!

Seriously people when someone asks about a certain product help them with that product first. Not your agenda of getting everyone onto PLASMA.

i know that panasonic plasmas are ideal but i have a problem.the problem is that my viewing distance is 2m max.
i believe that my eye will ''get lost'' in such a big picture.
37 inches are ideal for my place

Seriously people when someone asks about a certain product help them with that product first. Not your agenda of getting everyone onto PLASMA.

Not just any plasma it has to be a Panasonic plasma. Nothing else will do. Some of these guys act like you shouldn't buy any TV unless it's a Panasonic plasma. When I see a thread asking about what TV to buy I know it'll be filled with replies about how you HAVE to buy a Panasonic plasma. When someone suggests not getting a Panasonic plasma :eek: one of them will reply telling you Panasonic is the best seller in the US, the best customer service, the highest reliability, blah, blah, blah. :rolleyes:

Not just any plasma it has to be a Panasonic plasma. Nothing else will do. Some of these guys act like you shouldn't buy any TV unless it's a Panasonic plasma. When I see a thread asking about what TV to buy I know it'll be filled with replies about how you HAVE to buy a Panasonic plasma. When someone suggests not getting a Panasonic plasma :eek: one of them will reply telling you Panasonic is the best seller in the US, the best customer service, the highest reliability, blah, blah, blah. :rolleyes:

I think most people looking to by a HDTV would be looking for just those qualities when they buy. ;)

Why does it bother you when you know these things are true and they just happen to NOT be the brand YOU chose apparently? That seems to be the only likely reason why you have such an issue with Panasonic being recommended because it isn't what you chose. Does that sound about right? If not please explain WHY it bothers you and hopefully based on some facts like we have done to explain WHY WE recommend Panasonic plasmas. ;)

i know that panasonic plasmas are ideal but i have a problem.the problem is that my viewing distance is 2m max.
I believe that my eye will ''get lost'' in such a big picture.
37 inches are ideal for my place

That is a decision you must make in that regard to screen size to distance ratio as only you know how fast your eyes could move for gaming. Will it be just for gaming or will you be watching HD movies on the PS3 as well? If so at about 6' a 42" would be about right for the screen size according to the charts for screen size at that distance. Some even say that 42" is too small if a 1080p unit.

All we can do is give you the info and then you must make the final decision, but with the info you can make an informed decision. :hithere:

So seeing as the PLASMA freaks are out in full force once more I will suggest the LCD.

I do game, not all the time but I game on a LCD and have on two different LCD's.

1080p 120 Hz 32" Sharp Aquous and a 1080p 120 Hz 46" SONY. Both great for gaming. Personally if you have the room and money go bigger then 40", you wont regret it.

1080p, 120Hz these are two things you want to look for in an LCD for gaming.

I have no problems ever with gaming on my LCD. Also the graphics look stunning!

Seriously people when someone asks about a certain product help them with that product first. Not your agenda of getting everyone onto PLASMA.

Have you tried gaming on a plasma in the proper environment like the OP has for room environment? I have done both types because I own BOTH. So I am basing it on personal first hand experience for WHY I give the advice I give. What are you basing YOUR recommendation on?

4 people posted that plasma is the better choice based on room lighting etc, and ONE of them (TechLord) is a LCD ONLY owner who does not even own a Panasonic plasma right now but wishes he did get one instead. He has said he bought before doing all the research he should have and just look at his signature as well.

Why do some people get so defensive about what others recommend and seem to get so upset that it is not what THEY have already chosen? It is just a HDTV and taking it personally seems like wasted energy to me. All we can do is give our recommendation for threads like this and explain WHY we make it, and let the poster make an informed decision.

I bought a plasma and the games look amazing in it, cant complain there, I did a lot of research here and other places and I did take the plunge on a pana plasma.. I am very happy with my purchase

Not just any plasma it has to be a Panasonic plasma. Nothing else will do. Some of these guys act like you shouldn't buy any TV unless it's a Panasonic plasma. When I see a thread asking about what TV to buy I know it'll be filled with replies about how you HAVE to buy a Panasonic plasma. When someone suggests not getting a Panasonic plasma :eek: one of them will reply telling you Panasonic is the best seller in the US, the best customer service, the highest reliability, blah, blah, blah. :rolleyes:

What is it that you have against Panasonic, I just don't understand your childish responses! Where's your recommendation, huh? So why are you here?

What is it that you have against Panasonic, I just don't understand your childish responses! Where's your recommendation, huh? So why are you here?

This is what I'm talking about.
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I don't have anything against Panasonic. It gets kinda old seeing - buy a Panasonic plasma in every single thread around here. No matter what TV brand, size, or type of TV the person is interested in certain people only reply is -
You should buy a Panasonic plasma. :banana: :banana: :banana:

Have you tried gaming on a plasma in the proper environment like the OP has for room environment? I have done both types because I own BOTH. So I am basing it on personal first hand experience for WHY I give the advice I give. What are you basing YOUR recommendation on?

4 people posted that plasma is the better choice based on room lighting etc, and ONE of them (TechLord) is a LCD ONLY owner who does not even own a Panasonic plasma right now but wishes he did get one instead. He has said he bought before doing all the research he should have and just look at his signature as well.

Why do some people get so defensive about what others recommend and seem to get so upset that it is not what THEY have already chosen? It is just a HDTV and taking it personally seems like wasted energy to me. All we can do is give our recommendation for threads like this and explain WHY we make it, and let the poster make an informed decision.

Why does it offend me? Because people come asking about an LCD and everyone immediately jumps on them about PLASMA. I mean like to most people on here it is like LCD doesn't even exist. I realize most of you are PLASMA freaks and wont ever change, fine but like I said before if someone asks about an LCD for a TV give them advice about an LCD and then and only then give information about a PLASMA.

Personally if I had used this forum to get an HDTV I would have left after the first person suggested to me a PLASMA instead of giving me information on what I asked for. It is just like going into the store and asking the salesman about an LCD and all they do is give you a rant about PLASMA. I would just walk away without a word if they did that to me. Even if I was looking at PLASMA and they suggested LCD I'd do the same thing. I go to a place for information about a certain type of item if I don't get it then I leave.

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Personally I have never gamed on a PLASMA and never plan to. I do work with two PLASMAS at work on a daily basis and they are in the mid-range level and I would never purchase a PLASMA period. I see too many things wrong with them at work and I'm not interested. And yes they are calibrated correctly. I work in a TV station.

Why does it offend me? Because people come asking about an LCD and everyone immediately jumps on them about PLASMA. I mean like to most people on here it is like LCD doesn't even exist. I realize most of you are PLASMA freaks and wont ever change, fine but like I said before if someone asks about an LCD for a TV give them advice about an LCD and then and only then give information about a PLASMA.

Personally if I had used this forum to get an HDTV I would have left after the first person suggested to me a PLASMA instead of giving me information on what I asked for. It is just like going into the store and asking the salesman about an LCD and all they do is give you a rant about PLASMA. I would just walk away without a word if they did that to me. Even if I was looking at PLASMA and they suggested LCD I'd do the same thing. I go to a place for information about a certain type of item if I don't get it then I leave.

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Personally I have never gamed on a PLASMA and never plan to. I do work with two PLASMAS at work on a daily basis and they are in the mid-range level and I would never purchase a PLASMA period. I see too many things wrong with them at work and I'm not interested. And yes they are calibrated correctly. I work in a TV station.

There are so many myths/misinformation out there about plasmas and THAT is why many mention plasma as an alternative to LCD, so a person who doesn't know most plasma info they might have heard is BS with the modern plasmas. It is so they can make a more informed decision.

If someone is like you and leaves because plasma is mentioned then so be it. Such person does not want to learn and then they should not be asking for help on a forum IMO and should just listen to the mostly under-trained and ignorant salesmen who are students in the big box stores.

I own 1 DLP, 2 LCDs, & 1 Panasonic plasma bought in that order so I am not a "plasma freak" as you call it. I do know what looks better in my home and the pros/cons of all the different tech choices for HDTVs IN A HOME. The problem is that those ultra bright stores are the environment that shows LCDs at their best and plasmas at a disadvantage because such ultra bright stores are not the best environment for plasmas. In home lighting the flaws of LCD tech are more apparent but if you never had it in your home with typical home lighting then you would not know this without having a plasma also in the same lighting to do a comparison. Likely your TV station workplace is not lit up like a typical home is either.

I own 4 of the 5 techs out there right now and use them daily IN HOME LIGHTING so I try to give people the benefit of my FIRST HAND experience so they have more info to base a decision on. We are here to help people make an informed decision and one would assume that people come here for advice to get it. If someone like yourself is so close minded that they are offended to get any other viewpoints then they really do not want advice and simply want to hear what they want to hear I think.

Maybe if the LCD fans would simply give their side of the answer and back it up with facts then they would be helping them instead of getting defensive about their own choice made. ;) :p

There are so many myths/misinformation out there about plasmas and THAT is why many mention plasma as an alternative to LCD, so a person who doesn't know most plasma info they might have heard is BS with the modern plasmas. It is so they can make a more informed decision

Main reason I'm glad I was suggested a plasma because I was once a victim of the myths.

Maybe if the LCD fans would simply give their side of the answer and back it up with facts then they would be helping them instead of getting defensive about their own choice made. ;) :p

That would help too =P

Main reason I'm glad I was suggested a plasma because I was once a victim of the myths.



That would help too =P

So there it is. Thanks for speaking up. :hithere:

TechLord who only owns LCD also was such a "victim" of the myths and now wishes he had found this site BEFORE he made his choice of his LCD. He has a great LCD, but at home in home lighting he now says that the ultra bright store lighting hides some of the issues that LCD STILL has, and wishes he knew more before buying.

This site is about providing info and help, but for some people to get defensive of what they bought and want to take a thread off topic over it then I do not know what to say.

Why does it offend me? Because people come asking about an LCD and everyone immediately jumps on them about PLASMA. I mean like to most people on here it is like LCD doesn't even exist. I realize most of you are PLASMA freaks and wont ever change, fine but like I said before if someone asks about an LCD for a TV give them advice about an LCD and then and only then give information about a PLASMA.

Personally if I had used this forum to get an HDTV I would have left after the first person suggested to me a PLASMA instead of giving me information on what I asked for. It is just like going into the store and asking the salesman about an LCD and all they do is give you a rant about PLASMA. I would just walk away without a word if they did that to me. Even if I was looking at PLASMA and they suggested LCD I'd do the same thing. I go to a place for information about a certain type of item if I don't get it then I leave.

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Personally I have never gamed on a PLASMA and never plan to. I do work with two PLASMAS at work on a daily basis and they are in the mid-range level and I would never purchase a PLASMA period. I see too many things wrong with them at work and I'm not interested. And yes they are calibrated correctly. I work in a TV station.


You obviously haven't shopped for a plasma before because this is exactly what happens when you go to an electronics retailer. I eventually ended up buying online because every time I asked about the line of plasmas at BB or Ultimate Electronics, the salesman would look at me like I had two heads and then immediately begin to tell me why I should look at their line of LCDs (which cost anywhere from 20% to 100% more than the comparable Panasonic S1 model I was looking at). The difference between this forum and those stores is that no one here is interested in getting into your wallet. We are simply extolling the virtues of a technology that 9/10 times is a better choice for the average consumer.

Yes I am a victim of Best Buy salesmen trying to sell me something that typically costs a great deal more money (Monster's 1000 series HDMI cables anyone), yet has so many cons when brought into home lighting! Who doesn't watch movies in the dark, huh? Do these misinformed members watch movies in ultra brightly lit rooms like Best Buy?

We are called Plasma Freaks because we tell the truth and pull the misinformation curtains off peoples heads, if we are told by the OP that he/she is not interested in a plasma, then we accept that and recommend LCDs that perform well. I have recommended an LCD to someone thinking about both technologies today, I don't see these complainers recommending ANYTHING! If you are not going to recommend anything then you have NO right to complain!

Why does it offend me? Because people come asking about an LCD and everyone immediately jumps on them about PLASMA.

Fair enough, but what if someone came here asking about a plasma and all I did was recommend an LCD. I'm sure you would react differently. :hithere:

Give me a break, get over it already! :crying:

Fair enough, but what if someone came here asking about a plasma and all I did was recommend an LCD. I'm sure you would react differently. :hithere:

Give me a break, get over it already! :crying:

Um no I wouldn't sorry... If I asked about PLASMA and all I got was info on LCD I would feel the same way as if I asked about LCD and all I got was PLASMA talk.

When I asked about a specific technology I expect answers about that technology not something else. Now with that said if you wanted to add a little info at the very end of your comment about another technology fine, but don't right off the bat go into PLASMA when I asked about LCD. What you don't realize is that even if your not trying to get the money from my pocket you are trying to persuade me like a salesman at a store into a technology I didn't even ask about. Put down your walls and answer the question at hand. Which for this OP was about LCD's not PLASMA.

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And your called PLASMA freaks because every single time I go into any thread about LCD's all the talk is about PLASMA from anyone responding. There is little to no information given about what the OP actually asked info for. You have an agenda and you'll do anything to persuade someone to your side. You wont even give the person the simple satisfaction of a real answer on what they asked about. All you want is to push your agenda.

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And before you go saying I have an agenda... Your right I do and that is to get you people to actually give fair advice on things. Not just go right into your agenda of PLASMA. If I ask about LCD I want LCD info not PLASMA info.

And before you go saying I have an agenda... Your right I do and that is to get you people to actually give fair advice on things. Not just go right into your agenda of PLASMA. If I ask about LCD I want LCD info not PLASMA info.

The OP asked for advice on buying the best gaming display. The plasma fits that bill. If he had asked for the best plasma for his sun porch, everybody would have recommended an LCD. Get over yourself.

At the end its the buyers choice no matter the suggestions. Which is why I have my questions on plasmas, specifically the g10s. But it would help if the LCD folks suggest and give their take on why LCDs would be better.

Um no I wouldn't sorry... If I asked about PLASMA and all I got was info on LCD I would feel the same way as if I asked about LCD and all I got was PLASMA talk.

When I asked about a specific technology I expect answers about that technology not something else. Now with that said if you wanted to add a little info at the very end of your comment about another technology fine, but don't right off the bat go into PLASMA when I asked about LCD. What you don't realize is that even if your not trying to get the money from my pocket you are trying to persuade me like a salesman at a store into a technology I didn't even ask about. Put down your walls and answer the question at hand. Which for this OP was about LCD's not PLASMA.

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And your called PLASMA freaks because every single time I go into any thread about LCD's all the talk is about PLASMA from anyone responding. There is little to no information given about what the OP actually asked info for. You have an agenda and you'll do anything to persuade someone to your side. You wont even give the person the simple satisfaction of a real answer on what they asked about. All you want is to push your agenda.

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And before you go saying I have an agenda... Your right I do and that is to get you people to actually give fair advice on things. Not just go right into your agenda of PLASMA. If I ask about LCD I want LCD info not PLASMA info.

Perhaps you need to have another look at my first post again instead of crying out a Plasma Freaks alert! I did not recommend either technology, but stated a fact that LCD would not be as quick as a CRT. I do not have an agenda, I only stated truths about both technologies the pros and the cons. I provide them with information and back them up with facts, if you have a problem with that then there's the door! :hithere:

It's not like I hijack threads are anything, do you think anything you have posted helps the OP come to an informed decision? You haven't contributed squat to this post, all you have done is whine and complain and hijacked this thread! :hithere:

Anyway lets get back track here. :yippee:

Um no I wouldn't sorry... If I asked about PLASMA and all I got was info on LCD I would feel the same way as if I asked about LCD and all I got was PLASMA talk.

When I asked about a specific technology I expect answers about that technology not something else. Now with that said if you wanted to add a little info at the very end of your comment about another technology fine, but don't right off the bat go into PLASMA when I asked about LCD. What you don't realize is that even if your not trying to get the money from my pocket you are trying to persuade me like a salesman at a store into a technology I didn't even ask about. Put down your walls and answer the question at hand. Which for this OP was about LCD's not PLASMA.

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And your called PLASMA freaks because every single time I go into any thread about LCD's all the talk is about PLASMA from anyone responding. There is little to no information given about what the OP actually asked info for. You have an agenda and you'll do anything to persuade someone to your side. You wont even give the person the simple satisfaction of a real answer on what they asked about. All you want is to push your agenda.

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And before you go saying I have an agenda... Your right I do and that is to get you people to actually give fair advice on things. Not just go right into your agenda of PLASMA. If I ask about LCD I want LCD info not PLASMA info.

I agree.
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I agree.
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Why not be a contributing member instead of being a forum pest? Almost all your posts on this forum have been personal attacks on someone's opinion, can't you just give the Original Poster a recommendation and move on?

Why not be a contributing member instead of being a forum pest? Almost all your posts on this forum have been personal attacks on someone's opinion, can't you just give the Original Poster a recommendation and move on?

I guess not. I asked for LCD suggestions as well as plasma on a thread of mine and on responses. Sounds like you are correct Techlord.

I guess not. I asked for LCD suggestions as well as plasma on a thread of mine and on responses. Sounds like you are correct Techlord.

Click on members name, third option down "Find More Posts by "members name" and you'll see every post by that member. Then you'll see how full of it some members are! :D

Some members prefer only negative "smart arse" and "obnoxious remarks" without actually contributing anything to the thread topic and the original posters questions. They actually end up taking the thread off topic to where people come in and see it, then they end up just leaving without posting anything. It hurts the OP who probably ends up leaving and looking for other forums, it's quite sad really.