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1955

10-27-2009, 09:02 PM

The deal with Rush is a bit deeper than him being just an a-hole. What he said about McNabb actually bumped ESPN's ratings (= money). Shapiro (ESPN VP) even went so far as to defend Rush's statement, at the time. The latest fiasco involving Limbaugh and the NFL is all about Rush - and not the NFL. Limbaugh and his daily contrivence of self-efficating bull squat are something that the NFL, wisely, said they want no part of. Truly, capitolism exists and proves that money can buy oxy's but can't buy ya love. :D

Oblio, I mean this in a good way...everything you know is wrong. You've got such a hard on for Rush that you're blinded by your ignorance. See if you can wrap your tiny head around this...he would have been an owner, but as a commentator he can still "contrivence of self-efficating bull squat" (your spelling) about the NFL anytime he wants. So, him not being an owner changes nothing, he's still worth millions and can, for the time being, say what he wants!!!:haha:

Socialism = NFL.

PS. Tell us all about an owner that isn't all about himself.

1955

10-27-2009, 09:05 PM

I even hate it that at work and other places they say HOLIDAY PARTY instead of CHRISTMAS PARTY. Look at the Calendar ! On December 25th it says CHRISTMAS day !!, not HOLIDAY day !! In this country we celebrate CHRISTMAS on December 25th, we shouldn't have to rename it so we don't hurt someone's feelings. I don't get that either. If your religion doesn't celebrate CHRISTMAS how is it bad for us to say CHRISTMAS party ? :rolleyes:

Whenever someone says "happy holidays" to me, I ALWAYS reply "and Merry Christmas to you" If they don't like it...oh well.

Rich_Guy

10-27-2009, 09:19 PM

I even hate it that at work and other places they say HOLIDAY PARTY instead of CHRISTMAS PARTY. Look at the Calendar ! On December 25th it says CHRISTMAS day !!, not HOLIDAY day !! In this country we celebrate CHRISTMAS on December 25th, we shouldn't have to rename it so we don't hurt someone's feelings. I don't get that either. If your religion doesn't celebrate CHRISTMAS how is it bad for us to say CHRISTMAS party ? :rolleyes:

I am offended by the word "PARTY", I think from now on your work should celebrate a "HOLIDAY EVENT". :D

DIRECTVMAN

10-27-2009, 09:44 PM

oblioman

10-27-2009, 09:47 PM

I even hate it that at work and other places they say HOLIDAY PARTY instead of CHRISTMAS PARTY. Look at the Calendar ! On December 25th it says CHRISTMAS day !!, not HOLIDAY day !! In this country we celebrate CHRISTMAS on December 25th, we shouldn't have to rename it so we don't hurt someone's feelings. I don't get that either. If your religion doesn't celebrate CHRISTMAS how is it bad for us to say CHRISTMAS party ? :rolleyes:

But for many,,it's called hanukkah, or kwanzaa,,,or for some it's even called christmas. What difference does it make? If you be true to your tradition and beliefs,,,,call it what YOU want. If they call it a Holiday party,,,it's a celebration for all that wish to partake. Whats so wrong about that?

oblioman

10-27-2009, 09:58 PM

Oblio, I mean this in a good way...everything you know is wrong. You've got such a hard on for Rush that you're blinded by your ignorance. See if you can wrap your tiny head around this...he would have been an owner, but as a commentator he can still "contrivence of self-efficating bull squat" (your spelling) about the NFL anytime he wants. So, him not being an owner changes nothing, he's still worth millions and can, for the time being, say what he wants!!!:haha:

Socialism = NFL.

PS. Tell us all about an owner that isn't all about himself.

No problem '55,,you be a good chap to go a tit n tat and still keep a rosy cheek. Limbaugh will still have his money and continue to burp his truth aberrations. But his constant spew is the one thing that chapped his dreams of being an owner. For a lib like me,,,it was a sweet moment to finally have somebody tell Mr. ego,,,we don't want you. Sweet! :D

oblioman

10-27-2009, 10:31 PM

Oblio, I mean this in a good way...everything you know is wrong. You've got such a hard on for Rush that you're blinded by your ignorance. See if you can wrap your tiny head around this...he would have been an owner, but as a commentator he can still "contrivence of self-efficating bull squat" (your spelling) about the NFL anytime he wants. So, him not being an owner changes nothing, he's still worth millions and can, for the time being, say what he wants!!!:haha:

Socialism = NFL.

PS. Tell us all about an owner that isn't all about himself.

almost forgot,,,rush can still say anything he wants (unfortunately),,,but he can't have what he truly wants. Priceless! Money simply cannot buy respect.

1955

10-27-2009, 11:50 PM

No problem '55,,you be a good chap to go a tit n tat and still keep a rosy cheek. Limbaugh will still have his money and continue to burp his truth aberrations. But his constant spew is the one thing that chapped his dreams of being an owner. For a lib like me,,,it was a sweet moment to finally have somebody tell Mr. ego,,,we don't want you. Sweet! :D

Wow, so you have a say in who owns NFL teams??? I'm sure Rush would tell you that freedom of speech is a small price to pay for not being a part owner in a team...at this time.

1955

10-27-2009, 11:59 PM

almost forgot,,,rush can still say anything he wants (unfortunately),,,but he can't have what he truly wants. Priceless! Money simply cannot buy respect.

And I'm sure if you and your ilk have your way, that freedom would be gone...(unfortunately).

Maybe you can explain how it's unfortunate (your words) the we have freedom of speech???

I've been listening to Rush for over 20 years, and I don't remember owning an NFL team being the end all and be all of his dreams...but of course you've probably been told by one of your left wing web sites that it is, so it must be true.:rolleyes:

Funny, it bought a presidency.

PS, Your passive aggressiveness won't change the fact that Rush is a Proper noun.:D

1955

10-28-2009, 12:03 AM

But for many,,it's called hanukkah, or kwanzaa,,,or for some it's even called christmas. What difference does it make? If you be true to your tradition and beliefs,,,,call it what YOU want. If they call it a Holiday party,,,it's a celebration for all that wish to partake. Whats so wrong about that?

Only a very small minority consider that time of year anything other than Christmas. Hanukkah is a minor Jewish holiday and Kwanzaa is...what is Kwanzaa???

PS. Again with the passive aggressiveness...you capitalize the word "Holiday", but make the proper nouns all small letters.

tcarcio

10-28-2009, 07:21 AM

Who else here thinks tcarcio is in the mob or related to someone in the mob?

Hey Glow, I got an offer you can't refuse......:huh:lol:

tcarcio

10-28-2009, 07:36 AM

Now they have racist cookies........:eyecrazyhttp://www.smh.com.au/national/coles-backs-down-over-racist--biscuit-20091027-hhhk.html

JMS

10-28-2009, 09:00 AM

PS. Tell us all about an owner that isn't all about himself.
No doubt about that. They're most likely hard-core cons, too. But the difference is THEY don't have a three-hour daily radio show where they bloviate sanctimonious mendacity for all the world to hear.

1955

10-28-2009, 10:25 AM

No doubt about that. They're most likely hard-core cons, too. But the difference is THEY don't have a three-hour daily radio show where they bloviate sanctimonious mendacity for all the world to hear.

Isn't it amazing that we live in a country that "allows" that??? But of course you probably get all your "news" from the NYT's, CNN and Pravda. Who's holding a gun to your head and forcing you to listen to him? Here's what I do, I refuse to read the NYT's or listen to ABC, NBC, CBS or CNN and all the other Democrat news outlets. For now, I have that freedom, but if you get your way, I'll be forced to listen to only left wing news.

If you have the right to spew your bloviating sanctimonious mendacity for all the world to hear, then so can Rush.:D

DonnyDC

10-28-2009, 12:32 PM

Only a very small minority consider that time of year anything other than Christmas. Hanukkah is a minor Jewish holiday and Kwanzaa is...what is Kwanzaa???And minorities obviously dont matter.

Seriously who cares? no one is trying to take christmas away from you why are you trying to force it on everyone else?

daleb

10-28-2009, 12:37 PM

If I went to live in another country I'd be expected to go along with their traditional holidays of their country. They wouldn't say - There's an American in the room, better say HOLIDAY PARTY so he doesn't get offended. :)

I think this says it best:

Sent: 10/8/2009 7:55:26 A.M. Mountain Standard Time
Subj: Remarks from CBS Sunday Morning

The following was written by Ben Stein and recited by him on
CBS Sunday Morning Commentary.

" My confession:

I am a Jew, and every single one of my ancestors was Jewish.
And it does not bother me even a little bit when people call
those beautiful lit up, bejeweled trees, Christmas trees. I
don't feel threatened. I don't feel discriminated against.
That's what they are, Christmas trees.

It doesn't bother me a bit when people say, 'Merry Christmas'
to me. I don't think they are slighting me or getting ready to
put me in a ghetto. In fact, I kind of like it. It shows that
we are all brothers and sisters celebrating this happy time of
year. It doesn't bother me at all that there is a manger scene
on display at a key intersection near my beach house inMalibu
.. If people want a creche, it's just as fine with me as is
the Menorah a few hundred yards away.

I don't like getting pushed around for being a Jew, and I
don't think Christians like getting pushed around for being
Christians. I think people who believe in God are sick and
tired of getting pushed around, period.. I have no idea where
the concept came from, that America is an explicitly atheist
country.. I can't find it in the Constitution and I don't like
it being shoved down my throat.

Or maybe I can put it another way: where did the idea come
from that we should worship celebrities and we aren't allowed
to worship God as we understand Him? I guess that's a sign
that I'm getting old, too. But there are a lot of us who are
wondering where these celebrities came from and where the
America we knew went to.

In light of the many jokes we send to one another for a laugh,
this is a little different: This is not intended to be a joke;
it's not funny, it's intended to get you thinking.

Billy Graham's daughter was interviewed on the Early Show and
Jane Clayson asked her 'How could God let something like this
happen?' (regarding Hurricane Katrina ).. Anne Graham gave an
extremely profound and insightful response. She said, 'I
believe God is deeply saddened by this, just as we are, but
for years we've been telling God to get out of our schools, to
get out of our government and to get out of our lives. And
being the gentleman He is, I believe He has calmly backed out.
How can we expect God to give us His blessing and His
protection if we demand He leave us alone?'

In light of recent events... Terrorists attack, school
shootings, etc. I think it started when Madeleine Murray
O'Hare (she was murdered, her body found a few years ago)
complained she didn't want prayer in our schools, and we said
OK. Then someone said you better not read the Bible in school.
The Bible says thou shalt not kill; thou shalt not steal, and
love your neighbor as yourself. And we said OK.

Then Dr. Benjamin Spock said we shouldn't spank our children
when they misbehave, because their little personalities would
be warped and we might damage their self-esteem ( Dr.Spock's
son committed suicide). We said an expert should know what
he's talking about. And we said okay.

Now we're asking ourselves why our children have no
conscience, why they don't know right from wrong, and why it
doesn't bother them to kill strangers, their classmates, and
themselves.

Probably, if we think about it long and hard enough, we can
figure it out. I think it has a great deal to do with 'WE REAP
WHAT WE SOW.'

Funny how simple it is for people to trash God and then wonder
why the world's going to hell. Funny how we believe what the
newspapers say, but question what the Bible says. Funny how
you can send 'jokes' through e-mail and they spread like
wildfire, but when you start sending messages regarding the
Lord, people think twice about sharing. Funny how lewd, crude,
vulgar and obscene articles pass freely through cyberspace,
but public discussion of God is suppressed in the school and
workplace.

Are you laughing yet?

Funny how when you forward this message, you will not send it
to many on your address list because you're not sure what they
believe, or what they will think of you for sending it.

Funny how we can be more worried about what other people
think of us than what God thinks of us.

Pass it on if you think it has merit.

If not, then just discard it..... No one will know you did.
But, if you discard this thought process, don't sit back and
complain about what bad shape the world is in.

My Best Regards, Honestly and respectfully,

Ben Stein"

DonnyDC

10-28-2009, 12:40 PM

Now they have racist cookies........:eyecrazyhttp://www.smh.com.au/national/coles-backs-down-over-racist--biscuit-20091027-hhhk.htmlHow is that not racist? They arent calling them creole cookies cause its a creole recipe, theyre calling it cause of the mixture of chocolate and vanilla.
Maybe they should call them italian cookies cause of the black north african lineage in italian blood. Chocolate and vanilla get it?

DonnyDC

10-28-2009, 12:54 PM

tcarcio

10-28-2009, 03:28 PM

And minorities obviously dont matter.

Seriously who cares? no one is trying to take christmas away from you why are you trying to force it on everyone else?

There's a difference between forcing things on someone or just keeping a tradition alive. For years and years people went along their way saying merry christmas or not saying anything at all and then all of a sudden in the past decade or so the bleeding hearts decided that they didn't like it and wanted it all to go away. So you see if people just did what you say and not force things on people then they would just keep their mouth shut and be on their way. So it is not us that are forcing it on anyone, we just like to keep traditions alive and the progressive nutjobs want it all their way or no way at all.

tcarcio

10-28-2009, 03:35 PM

How is that not racist? They arent calling them creole cookies cause its a creole recipe, theyre calling it cause of the mixture of chocolate and vanilla.
Maybe they should call them italian cookies cause of the black north african lineage in italian blood. Chocolate and vanilla get it?

Your kidding right. It took three years before anyone even said a word about these cookies and now it is all of a sudden a problem? Bullshit, You can find something wrong with anything if you look hard enough and spin it to be so. They are cookies, they don't have white hoods on or follow Lewis farrakhan they are just F'n cookies. Stop the insanity.....:eyecrazy

Bigloww

10-28-2009, 04:01 PM

Maybe they should call them italian cookies cause of the black north african lineage in italian blood. Chocolate and vanilla get it?

They actully would be called Sicillian cookies then, not Itallian. ;)

Lee Stewart

10-28-2009, 04:04 PM

tcarcio

10-28-2009, 05:23 PM

try . . .

Happy Holidays.

Can't go wrong with that well wishing.

Actually that is what I say except on Christmas day....:)

PFC5

10-28-2009, 05:42 PM

PFC5

10-28-2009, 05:46 PM

I think this says it best:

Sent: 10/8/2009 7:55:26 A.M. Mountain Standard Time
Subj: Remarks from CBS Sunday Morning

The following was written by Ben Stein and recited by him on
CBS Sunday Morning Commentary.

" My confession:

I am a Jew, and every single one of my ancestors was Jewish.
And it does not bother me even a little bit when people call
those beautiful lit up, bejeweled trees, Christmas trees. I
don't feel threatened. I don't feel discriminated against.
That's what they are, Christmas trees.

It doesn't bother me a bit when people say, 'Merry Christmas'
to me. I don't think they are slighting me or getting ready to
put me in a ghetto. In fact, I kind of like it. It shows that
we are all brothers and sisters celebrating this happy time of
year. It doesn't bother me at all that there is a manger scene
on display at a key intersection near my beach house inMalibu
.. If people want a creche, it's just as fine with me as is
the Menorah a few hundred yards away.

I don't like getting pushed around for being a Jew, and I
don't think Christians like getting pushed around for being
Christians. I think people who believe in God are sick and
tired of getting pushed around, period.. I have no idea where
the concept came from, that America is an explicitly atheist
country.. I can't find it in the Constitution and I don't like
it being shoved down my throat.

Or maybe I can put it another way: where did the idea come
from that we should worship celebrities and we aren't allowed
to worship God as we understand Him? I guess that's a sign
that I'm getting old, too. But there are a lot of us who are
wondering where these celebrities came from and where the
America we knew went to.

In light of the many jokes we send to one another for a laugh,
this is a little different: This is not intended to be a joke;
it's not funny, it's intended to get you thinking.

Billy Graham's daughter was interviewed on the Early Show and
Jane Clayson asked her 'How could God let something like this
happen?' (regarding Hurricane Katrina ).. Anne Graham gave an
extremely profound and insightful response. She said, 'I
believe God is deeply saddened by this, just as we are, but
for years we've been telling God to get out of our schools, to
get out of our government and to get out of our lives. And
being the gentleman He is, I believe He has calmly backed out.
How can we expect God to give us His blessing and His
protection if we demand He leave us alone?'

In light of recent events... Terrorists attack, school
shootings, etc. I think it started when Madeleine Murray
O'Hare (she was murdered, her body found a few years ago)
complained she didn't want prayer in our schools, and we said
OK. Then someone said you better not read the Bible in school.
The Bible says thou shalt not kill; thou shalt not steal, and
love your neighbor as yourself. And we said OK.

Then Dr. Benjamin Spock said we shouldn't spank our children
when they misbehave, because their little personalities would
be warped and we might damage their self-esteem ( Dr.Spock's
son committed suicide). We said an expert should know what
he's talking about. And we said okay.

Now we're asking ourselves why our children have no
conscience, why they don't know right from wrong, and why it
doesn't bother them to kill strangers, their classmates, and
themselves.

Probably, if we think about it long and hard enough, we can
figure it out. I think it has a great deal to do with 'WE REAP
WHAT WE SOW.'

Funny how simple it is for people to trash God and then wonder
why the world's going to hell. Funny how we believe what the
newspapers say, but question what the Bible says. Funny how
you can send 'jokes' through e-mail and they spread like
wildfire, but when you start sending messages regarding the
Lord, people think twice about sharing. Funny how lewd, crude,
vulgar and obscene articles pass freely through cyberspace,
but public discussion of God is suppressed in the school and
workplace.

Are you laughing yet?

Funny how when you forward this message, you will not send it
to many on your address list because you're not sure what they
believe, or what they will think of you for sending it.

Funny how we can be more worried about what other people
think of us than what God thinks of us.

Pass it on if you think it has merit.

If not, then just discard it..... No one will know you did.
But, if you discard this thought process, don't sit back and
complain about what bad shape the world is in.

My Best Regards, Honestly and respectfully,

Ben Stein"

Great passage by Ben Stein. I have Jewish friends and they NEVER get offended when someone says Merry Christmas to them. I have asked and NOT ONE has been the slightest bit offended. In fact most all of them say Merry Christmas to me knowing I am Christian.

It seems it is the atheists are the ones who seem to have the most issue with religious holidays. As was said earlier, Freedom OF religion has been distorted to Freedom FROM religion now, but that is NOT what it says in the Constitution.

1955

10-28-2009, 06:34 PM

It seems it is the atheists are the ones who seem to have the most issue with religious holidays.

That's right on the money! It's not people with god in their lives that want to ban Christmas from our country, it's the godless that want it banned in the name of Satan.

daleb

10-28-2009, 07:13 PM

Great passage by Ben Stein. I have Jewish friends and they NEVER get offended when someone says Merry Christmas to them. I have asked and NOT ONE has been the slightest bit offended. In fact most all of them say Merry Christmas to me knowing I am Christian.

It seems it is the atheists are the ones who seem to have the most issue with religious holidays. As was said earlier, Freedom OF religion has been distorted to Freedom FROM religion now, but that is NOT what it says in the Constitution.

It happened to be said by a Jew..but anyone could have said it, the message is clear.
Basic respect is in jeopardy. The constitution allows us to believe or not believe, in any way we want.
But for some that's not enough and they want to re-invent this country rather than restore the basic foundations it was founded on. The precious freedoms we enjoy have been taken for granted way too long.

tcarcio

10-28-2009, 07:35 PM

It happened to be said by a Jew..but anyone could have said it, the message is clear.
Basic respect is in jeopardy. The constitution allows us to believe or not believe, in any way we want.
But for some that's not enough and they want to re-invent this country rather than restore the basic foundations it was founded on. The precious freedoms we enjoy have been taken for granted way too long.

Well said......:yippee:

JMS

10-29-2009, 08:25 AM

Isn't it amazing that we live in a country that "allows" that??? But of course you probably get all your "news" from the NYT's, CNN and Pravda. Who's holding a gun to your head and forcing you to listen to him? Here's what I do, I refuse to read the NYT's or listen to ABC, NBC, CBS or CNN and all the other Democrat news outlets. For now, I have that freedom, but if you get your way, I'll be forced to listen to only left wing news.

If you have the right to spew your bloviating sanctimonious mendacity for all the world to hear, then so can Rush.:D
Where the hell did I say Druggie Lumpball didn't have the right to do his "thing"? Far be it from me to deprive his legion of ditto-heads their marching orders.

I sample him from time to time, and no, no one's holding a gun to my head. Occasionally he's mildly entertaining, especially when he's in his comedian mode. I find his Bill Clinton imitations precious. Poor guy seems to be flummoxed by Obama, however. It always comes out as thinly veiled racism. But yes, that's why the NFL is embaressed by him: Because he is one.;)

Give him credit for one thing: He's far better than his special needs cousin, Glenn Beck.

JMS

10-29-2009, 08:43 AM

Lee Stewart

10-29-2009, 08:56 AM

DonnyDC

10-29-2009, 01:47 PM

Maybe it is time to ban the song Ebony & Ivory too then huh?

Where does this nonsense end? :banghead:Umm I dont know where youre getting at. The song has two meanings, the literal one with the white and black keys on his piano, and the other meaning talking about racial harmony.
How youre equating that to using ethnicity to describe color in a cookie I dont know..

DonnyDC

10-29-2009, 01:49 PM

Great passage by Ben Stein. I have Jewish friends and they NEVER get offended when someone says Merry Christmas to them. I have asked and NOT ONE has been the slightest bit offended. In fact most all of them say Merry Christmas to me knowing I am Christian.

It seems it is the atheists are the ones who seem to have the most issue with religious holidays. As was said earlier, Freedom OF religion has been distorted to Freedom FROM religion now, but that is NOT what it says in the Constitution.The ones who get offended by 'Merry Christmas' are just as despicable as the ones that get insulted when you tell them 'Happy Holidays.'

Its stupidity on both sides.

DonnyDC

10-29-2009, 01:59 PM

There's a difference between forcing things on someone or just keeping a tradition alive. For years and years people went along their way saying merry christmas or not saying anything at all and then all of a sudden in the past decade or so the bleeding hearts decided that they didn't like it and wanted it all to go away. So you see if people just did what you say and not force things on people then they would just keep their mouth shut and be on their way. So it is not us that are forcing it on anyone, we just like to keep traditions alive and the progressive nutjobs want it all their way or no way at all.Who is this 'we.'
If you wanna say merry christmas go ahead no one is taking that away from you. If a business doesnt wanna say happy hannukah/christmas/kwanzaa and chooses to just say happy holidays then thats fine with them too.

I wonder if you follow your own advice and just 'shutup' when someone decides to say happy hanukkah to you...
As for tradition. America has been an immigrant nation ever since it was founded. The 'tradition' is multiculturalism.

tcarcio

10-29-2009, 03:36 PM

Who is this 'we.'
If you wanna say merry christmas go ahead no one is taking that away from you. If a business doesnt wanna say happy hannukah/christmas/kwanzaa and chooses to just say happy holidays then thats fine with them too.

I wonder if you follow your own advice and just 'shutup' when someone decides to say happy hanukkah to you...
As for tradition. America has been an immigrant nation ever since it was founded. The 'tradition' is multiculturalism.

The we is a general term to include people who might believe the same things. Don't read to much into it like the cookie people. And this country has it's traditions that started before you were ever thought of or me for that matter and it is the people that go into that store and start their punk ass whining that they are offended by seeing Merry Christmas that are the problem. I have no problem with anyone celebrating how they wish or saying happy or merry or whatever floats their boat and I am not offended or say anything about it like the morons that hate Christmas or any of our traditions and can't just shut up and live and let live. I hope that makes sense to you because it does to me.

PFC5

10-29-2009, 07:29 PM

PFC5

10-29-2009, 07:33 PM

Umm I dont know where youre getting at. The song has two meanings, the literal one with the white and black keys on his piano, and the other meaning talking about racial harmony.
How youre equating that to using ethnicity to describe color in a cookie I dont know..

But you could say the same thing about the colors in the cookie (and Creoles heritage) being in harmony also. ;)

The problem is that people are just looking to take things the worst way possible it seems and THAT is the problem. No one gets the benefit of the doubt and the worst is always assumed.

Rich_Guy

10-29-2009, 07:46 PM

DonnyDC

10-30-2009, 05:06 PM

But you could say the same thing about the colors in the cookie (and Creoles heritage) being in harmony also. ;)

The problem is that people are just looking to take things the worst way possible it seems and THAT is the problem. No one gets the benefit of the doubt and the worst is always assumed.Im not looking for anything. If Hagaan daaz called their new line of yellow ice cream 'Oriental Surprise' then thats pretty much in your face. Just like this.

I think those racist piano keys should be banned!Only in your mind.

PFC5

10-30-2009, 05:16 PM

Im not looking for anything. If Hagaan daaz called their new line of yellow ice cream 'Oriental Surprise' then thats pretty much in your face. Just like this.

Only in your mind.

So I guess Oriental Surprise, or insert any other rationality/ethnic heritage before "Surprise" in a name for ANYTHING is now off limits? :banghead:

Sorry I disagree with that.

DonnyDC

10-30-2009, 05:23 PM

So I guess Oriental Surprise, or insert any other rationality/ethnic heritage before "Surprise" in a name for ANYTHING is now off limits? :banghead:

Sorry I disagree with that.So if there was ice cream called 'Oriental Surprise' just because of its yellow color that would be just fine in your mind. Maybe strawberry or any red flavor could be called 'Indian Ice.'

Uhh ok. I guess the argument ends there http://3.bp.blogspot.com/_kz1FMSIhc5k/SqgLzFyAiCI/AAAAAAAAASs/8mrkpLGXW4o/s200/kkk_icon_30x30.gif

PFC5

10-30-2009, 06:53 PM

So if there was ice cream called 'Oriental Surprise' just because of its yellow color that would be just fine in your mind. Maybe strawberry or any red flavor could be called 'Indian Ice.'

Uhh ok. I guess the argument ends there http://3.bp.blogspot.com/_kz1FMSIhc5k/SqgLzFyAiCI/AAAAAAAAASs/8mrkpLGXW4o/s200/kkk_icon_30x30.gif

See YOU and others like YOU look at the yellow Natural (unlike white which is unnatural) vanilla Ice Cream and see it as THE reason for it being called Asian Surprise. You spend so much time looking for the WORST WAY of looking at things and assume the worst way IS the reason like I said earlier when I said:

The problem is that people are just looking to take things the worst way possible it seems and THAT is the problem. No one gets the benefit of the doubt and the worst is always assumed.

I guess we need to stop calling them French Fries since they are fattening and cause high cholesterol and we wouldn't want to associate those things with the French and lets stop calling ice with fruit syrup Italian Ice as well as you probably have some distorted way of looking at that as well.

Where does it end? :banghead:

BTW. I am completely offended by you even using that kkk white hood smiley and you should be ashamed of yourself for using it or that it even exists.

1955

10-31-2009, 12:18 AM

Se YOU and others like YOU look at the yellow Natural unlike white which is unnatural) vanilla Ice Cream and see it as THE reason for it being called Asian Surprise. You spend some much time looking for the WORST WAY of looking at things and assume the worst way IS the reason like I said earlier when I said:

I guess we need to stop calling them French Fries since they are fattening and cause high cholesterol and we wouldn't want to associate those things with the French and lets stop calling ice with fruit syrup Italian Ice as well as you probably have some distorted way of looking at that as well.

Where does it end? :banghead:

BTW. I am completely offended by you even using that kkk white hood smiley and you should be ashamed of yourself for using it or that it even exists.

It really is the liberals that are the prejudice ones. They're SO preoccupied with it, and that's why they spend so much time blaming others, so as to keep the microscope off of themselves. The perfect example of this is the chorus of lefties saying that Rush is prejudice...I've been listening to him, off and on, for 20 years and have NEVER, EVER heard him say anything even remotely approaching a prejudice statement. They have to out and out lie about it, because they have absolutely, no proof. And it'd be easy enough to get, anyone can download his podcast and then play it over and over again on the nightly news, if he did. But there is no such thing, because it's only happened in the mind of his detractors.

1955

10-31-2009, 12:32 AM

Who can disagree with this? The problem is that way too many people interpret "basic foundations" as Christianity, and that gives them the right to shove it down everybody else's throat.

And what lefty university did you hear that from? This country was founded on Christian beliefs and all the professors in all the universities can't change that...and it makes they're heads want to explode.

"basic foundations"=God

Christians are not trying to shove anything down your throat. Although there are private Christian organizations that are trying to protect our rights as laid out in the constitution. Like it or not, the laws in this country, ultimately came down from the Bible. If you really got what you wanted, and got all references of the Bible removed from our laws...well, even you would not want to live here.

Can you just imagine if all the lefties in San Fransisco got together and made a new constitution for our country??? Well, that's what we're trying to prevent.

JMS

10-31-2009, 05:56 AM

1955

11-01-2009, 12:04 AM

Thanks for proving my point http://i160.photobucket.com/albums/t171/JohnS45/thumbs.gif

Always glad to help the not so fortunate.

oblioman

11-01-2009, 09:09 AM

And what lefty university did you hear that from? This country was founded on Christian beliefs and all the professors in all the universities can't change that...and it makes they're heads want to explode.

"basic foundations"=God

Christians are not trying to shove anything down your throat. Although there are private Christian organizations that are trying to protect our rights as laid out in the constitution. Like it or not, the laws in this country, ultimately came down from the Bible. If you really got what you wanted, and got all references of the Bible removed from our laws...well, even you would not want to live here.

Can you just imagine if all the lefties in San Fransisco got together and made a new constitution for our country??? Well, that's what we're trying to prevent.

just out of curiosity,,,what law in this country came from a bible? The Wiccan bible for example.

NonMcTubber

11-01-2009, 12:29 PM

I have to basically agree with oblioman, no one has a monopoly on values. And instead of political correctness, we have to strive for freedom of thought.

Many would argue that reading the works of Karl Marks and Engels should be banned as communistic. When in fact, Marks was a student
of capitalism and pointed out ways in which it could fail. The error Marks made was in assuming just because capitalism was flawed, his proposed Utopian system would be better. And when Russia went communistic, it resulted in a cold war that has dominated most of our lives. Ultimately its was Russia itself that realized that abandoned communistic ideas when they realized it was a system that did not deliver.

I also remember my college years as the drug revolution cranked up. The victims that went off the deep end tended to be those who were
indoctrinated by their parents or church to be extremely anti drug. And when social pressures tended to get these anti drug indoctrinated to slip off the wagon, they often went 360 degrees the other way, while those that tended to be less indoctrinated had a more balanced approach.

Nor can we accept the assertion that this country was per say founded on Christian values, when Christian values had in fact become
not only a cause of violent disagreement while it was also a moving target. And most of the initial US population had left Europe to escape the life threatening regional wars that interfered with their freedom of worship. And in coming to the then British, French, and Spanish colonies that ultimately became the United States, they became too busy building a new life to become violently involved in telling their neighbors how to worship. Which in turn produced a set of new thinkers extremely afraid of the power of religious dogma who ultimately wrote the US constitution. Largely based on precisely that fear of an all powerful single State religion.

And if we compare Christianity with Islam, there are far more similarities than differences. And up until the 16'th century or so, Islam was far more advanced scientifically. But it was largely European free thinkers that rethought prior science assumptions, and the entire world still advances in that revolution in thought.

In short, to the dogmatic, new ideas are always a threat, while countries either adapt to new conditions or perish. I think its fair to say the USA is now in a battle over the old dogmas, the dogmatic tend to be winning, while the USA is in grave danger of losing the needed adaptions to compete.

tcarcio

11-01-2009, 01:26 PM

just out of curiosity,,,what law in this country came from a bible? The Wiccan bible for example.

Thow shall not kill...........:eek:

DonnyDC

11-01-2009, 05:41 PM

See YOU and others like YOU look at the yellow Natural (unlike white which is unnatural) vanilla Ice Cream and see it as THE reason for it being called Asian Surprise.Are you seriously trying to get into the technicals of an example that I completely made up?
I dont like Vanilla anyways, I much prefer african flavor with the mexican sprinkles.
You spend so much time looking for the WORST WAY of looking at things and assume the worst way IS the reason like I said earlier when I said:Its blatant racism. If you cant see that then...
I guess we need to stop calling them French Fries since they are fattening and cause high cholesterol and we wouldn't want to associate those things with the French and lets stop calling ice with fruit syrup Italian Ice as well as you probably have some distorted way of looking at that as well.Nope you can still call them french fries cause that has absolutely nothing to do with the topic at hand.

Where does it end? :banghead:When using race to market candy colors. Not that hard.

BTW. I am completely offended by you even using that kkk white hood smiley and you should be ashamed of yourself for using it or that it even exists.Oh so youre offended? I cant post a pic of a hooded figure and not have people immediately associate it with a dark history? Whats next will ghost costumes be banned on halloween?
Where does this madness end? :rolleyes:

oblioman

11-01-2009, 05:41 PM

Thow shall not kill...........:eek:

But popular fiction states that they killed one of their own (hung him on a cross). How hypocritical is that? Thou Shall not kill goes far beyond any cryptic writing in a book. Me best guess is it originated back in the days of the clan, when strength in numbers truly were needed to just to survive. Out of those early conditions, a moral code was developed that your 10 commandments are fashioned after. If one needs the bible or religion to follow a moral code, absolutely nothing wrong with that. The fault lies with those trying to push any religion into our government. For those that wish to use our constitution to try and further a religious sect, one really needs to look at Flushing, New York, read it's history, and then understand that that the freedom of religion beginnings really were freedom from religion.

tcarcio

11-01-2009, 06:49 PM

But popular fiction states that they killed one of their own (hung him on a cross). How hypocritical is that? Thou Shall not kill goes far beyond any cryptic writing in a book. Me best guess is it originated back in the days of the clan, when strength in numbers truly were needed to just to survive. Out of those early conditions, a moral code was developed that your 10 commandments are fashioned after. If one needs the bible or religion to follow a moral code, absolutely nothing wrong with that. The fault lies with those trying to push any religion into our government. For those that wish to use our constitution to try and further a religious sect, one really needs to look at Flushing, New York, read it's history, and then understand that that the freedom of religion beginnings really were freedom from religion.

He also said forgive them for they know not what they do. I guess you have to have the ability to forgive and stop trying to turn everything into something it is not, which is what is exactly happening when someone see's a racist cookie.......give me a break.

oblioman

11-01-2009, 07:20 PM

1955

11-01-2009, 10:09 PM

He also said forgive them for they know not what they do. I guess you have to have the ability to forgive and stop trying to turn everything into something it is not, which is what is exactly happening when someone see's a racist cookie.......give me a break.

I've saved myself a lot of aggravation and put the likes of Opie on my ignore list. Trying to talk reason to them is like banging your head against a concrete wall. They already know everything about everything, so learning anything new is impossible and so they fall back on the same old lies. They talk about the Bible and you can instantly tell that, even if they've ever read any of it, they don't understand it and more likely than not, they only know what others have told them. Like comparing Christianity to Islam...

Come to the internet to see just how stupid and misinformed the left is.

tcarcio

11-02-2009, 07:57 AM

Pure hyperbole. Even amongst us pure agnostics, we maintain the ability to forgive, forget, and move on. It's human nature. Not a creed. The cookie instance, in me opinion, is just plain stupid. Some things we have to live with and other things, it's best to just "turn the other cheek". It's the radicals on both sides of the fence that make big issues out of small issues. A classic example just happened in tennessee. A 5th or 4th grader (Karns TN) wanted to conduct bible lessons during recess at school and he was told no. Lo and behold, the Alliance Defense Fund initiated a lawsuit,,,for a dollar. They lost in court but it did cost the taxpayer time and money better spent on real problems. Frickin morons.

Just let me correct you. You have the ability to forgive only people who agree with you and all others are thrown out with the garbage.Maybe not you exactly but most people who believe like you that I have met. They tow the line of It's my way or the highway. You don't believe in God, that's fine, but don't preach to me about what is human nature when you need to put down people by calling them racist over every little thing that YOU feel is wrong. Sorry it won't fly with me. I won't put you on ignore because you have the right to your opinion and have not personally attacked me but please don't pretend the left doesn't go way overboard on anytrhing they think will make them feel good about themselves. Just look at the AFLCIO they take people to court all the time for crap that is more agenda oriented then for basic human rights. I do agree with your assessment of radicals on both sides and more money is wasted that could help Americans who really need help.

tcarcio

11-02-2009, 08:01 AM

I've saved myself a lot of aggravation and put the likes of Opie on my ignore list. Trying to talk reason to them is like banging your head against a concrete wall. They already know everything about everything, so learning anything new is impossible and so they fall back on the same old lies. They talk about the Bible and you can instantly tell that, even if they've ever read any of it, they don't understand it and more likely than not, they only know what others have told them. Like comparing Christianity to Islam...

Come to the internet to see just how stupid and misinformed the left is.

I understand how you feel but if we don't keep lines of communication open, and keep it civil, then nothing will get acomplished. I get very aggravated when I here the things that the far left progressives say or do but to shut them out and ignore them would be more dangerous for the country then to keep an eye, and an ear, on them...:2cents

hatt

11-02-2009, 10:19 AM

1955

11-02-2009, 10:40 AM

I understand how you feel but if we don't keep lines of communication open, and keep it civil, then nothing will get acomplished. I get very aggravated when I here the things that the far left progressives say or do but to shut them out and ignore them would be more dangerous for the country then to keep an eye, and an ear, on them...:2cents

I get you, but I've wasted countless hours going back and forth with these people :banghead::banghead::banghead:and one thing I've learned is you can't get people to come to your side by arguing with them. I've said it before and I'll say it again, liberalism, socialism communism...whatever you want to call it (it's all the same) is their religion! The only way you can change someone's religion is by example, not going back and forth arguing with them.

Example; I was a non believer for all my adult years and married a woman who soon after our marriage became a born again Christian. Well, this scared the crap out of me and thought that our marriage would soon fall apart, but it didn't. She NEVER preached to me, she never made me feel guilty about not going to church with her, but she prayed for me...in other words, she lead by example. So, over the next 12 years she did this, and what she did worked. I became a Christian the Sunday after 911 and still am one.

So, going back and forth, arguing with those people only makes me feel guilty, because they always bring out the worst in me. And as you may know, all it takes is one single mistake and they will use it as proof that you're just a hypocrite and another fake Christian. I'm not sure how many nonbelievers will become Christians after arguing with some stranger on the internet, but I seriously doubt it's very many.

PS. They're on my ignore list, but they are quoted enough that I can still see some of their drivel.

Chief_10Beers

11-02-2009, 10:43 AM

But popular fiction states that they killed one of their own (hung him on a cross). How hypocritical is that? Thou Shall not kill goes far beyond any cryptic writing in a book. Me best guess is it originated back in the days of the clan, when strength in numbers truly were needed to just to survive. Out of those early conditions, a moral code was developed that your 10 commandments are fashioned after. If one needs the bible or religion to follow a moral code, absolutely nothing wrong with that. The fault lies with those trying to push any religion into our government. For those that wish to use our constitution to try and further a religious sect, one really needs to look at Flushing, New York, read it's history, and then understand that that the freedom of religion beginnings really were freedom from religion.

Ummm, the pagonistic Romans killed him...................

tcarcio

11-02-2009, 01:30 PM

Isn't it blatant racism that certain groups are above jokes being made about them?

Funny that the people who say we should ignore the color of skin are the first ones to bring it up every time. Sorry, I can see past the BS. :cool:

Funny thing is that I have friends that are from different ethnicities and when we get together for a good time there are alway's jokes made about one or all of us that are never taken anyway but how they are meant and noone get's angry and starts screaming about racism or bigitry. Now I understand that we would only say these things to eachother because we are friends but if some bleeding heart overheard one of our jokes they would want us castrated. The problem is that people who have nothing to do with it have to scream and yell about things that they should just mind their own business with and stop perpetuating racism.

tcarcio

11-02-2009, 01:34 PM

I get you, but I've wasted countless hours going back and forth with these people :banghead::banghead::banghead:and one thing I've learned is you can't get people to come to your side by arguing with them. I've said it before and I'll say it again, liberalism, socialism communism...whatever you want to call it (it's all the same) is their religion! The only way you can change someone's religion is by example, not going back and forth arguing with them.

Example; I was a non believer for all my adult years and married a woman who soon after our marriage became a born again Christian. Well, this scared the crap out of me and thought that our marriage would soon fall apart, but it didn't. She NEVER preached to me, she never made me feel guilty about not going to church with her, but she prayed for me...in other words, she lead by example. So, over the next 12 years she did this, and what she did worked. I became a Christian the Sunday after 911 and still am one.

So, going back and forth, arguing with those people only makes me feel guilty, because they always bring out the worst in me. And as you may know, all it takes is one single mistake and they will use it as proof that you're just a hypocrite and another fake Christian. I'm not sure how many nonbelievers will become Christians after arguing with some stranger on the internet, but I seriously doubt it's very many.

PS. They're on my ignore list, but they are quoted enough that I can still see some of their drivel.

Yea, I understand it can be like bashing your head against the wall so if it get's to the point that it brings out the worst in you it is in your best interest to take the high road and as they say, whoever they are, "Never let them see you sweat". And congrats on your new found faith.....:yippee:

daleb

11-02-2009, 04:45 PM

Everyone has to find their own comfort zone, whether it's religion, politics, etc. etc.
Of course it is a waste of time arguing about different points of view. I think what bothers most people is others who think they have all the answers for everyone else.
It works both ways. Peace of mind is everything in the end.

1955

11-02-2009, 05:08 PM

daleb

11-02-2009, 05:25 PM

I agree with this completely!

As a Christian, I cannot agree with this statement though...sorry.

Why, being a Christian does not give you peace of mind?

If you are comfortable with what you believe and the values you accept, I would think you would.
And you have nothing to be sorry about. :)

oblioman

11-02-2009, 05:39 PM

Just let me correct you. You have the ability to forgive only people who agree with you and all others are thrown out with the garbage.Maybe not you exactly but most people who believe like you that I have met. They tow the line of It's my way or the highway. You don't believe in God, that's fine, but don't preach to me about what is human nature when you need to put down people by calling them racist over every little thing that YOU feel is wrong. Sorry it won't fly with me. I won't put you on ignore because you have the right to your opinion and have not personally attacked me but please don't pretend the left doesn't go way overboard on anytrhing they think will make them feel good about themselves. Just look at the AFLCIO they take people to court all the time for crap that is more agenda oriented then for basic human rights. I do agree with your assessment of radicals on both sides and more money is wasted that could help Americans who really need help.

You missed me point. read me post again and you will see that me agrees,,,the cookie deal was just plain stupid. Nothing racist at all, but just plain stupid that someone would take offense at a cookie. A cookie of all things. We see countless actions like this, you cited some, and in me opinion, the karns school kid that wanted to read his bible at recess wasn't bothering anyone - it was the ADF that tried to interject their goals in the school system - that's what's moronic.

As far as putting people on ignore, well that be there choice. For meself, and like you,,,realize this be a public forum with opinions from all sides. Our ultimate goal is to help people in the HD world. But the no-topic forum is a fun place to ask, answer, learn, bitch, share, agree, disagree, whatever. As long as it's kept civil, and it is for the most part, no reason to use the ignore button. Been here a long time, apparently me be thick skinned (or thick skulled) and never have even pondered using the little button.

DIRECTVMAN

11-02-2009, 11:13 PM

Me is kinda surprised that calling the shopping day after THANKSGIVING day BLACK FRIDAY hasn't caused a protest.

1955

11-02-2009, 11:30 PM

Why, being a Christian does not give you peace of mind?

If you are comfortable with what you believe and the values you accept, I would think you would.
And you have nothing to be sorry about. :)

If you were referring to only me, then I do agree with your whole statement...yes being a Christian gives me peace of mind, but I thought that you were talking about non-Christians also and not just me. And if that's the case, then just peace of mind will get you nowhere in the end.

Does that make sense now?

PFC5

11-03-2009, 12:05 AM

Me is kinda surprised that calling the shopping day after THANKSGIVING day BLACK FRIDAY hasn't caused a protest.

Good point. :lol:

It doesn't matter that it refers to when stores go from being in the red (profit/loss wise, but meaning losses) to being in the black (meaning turning a profit because it is the turning point for retailers).

Sooner or later someone WILL cause a stink about it because it has the word "black" in it, and they will have to call it something else. :banghead:

tcarcio

11-03-2009, 09:09 AM

You missed me point. read me post again and you will see that me agrees,,,the cookie deal was just plain stupid. Nothing racist at all, but just plain stupid that someone would take offense at a cookie. A cookie of all things. We see countless actions like this, you cited some, and in me opinion, the karns school kid that wanted to read his bible at recess wasn't bothering anyone - it was the ADF that tried to interject their goals in the school system - that's what's moronic.

As far as putting people on ignore, well that be there choice. For meself, and like you,,,realize this be a public forum with opinions from all sides. Our ultimate goal is to help people in the HD world. But the no-topic forum is a fun place to ask, answer, learn, bitch, share, agree, disagree, whatever. As long as it's kept civil, and it is for the most part, no reason to use the ignore button. Been here a long time, apparently me be thick skinned (or thick skulled) and never have even pondered using the little button.

OK, I see your point now and on those point's we agree. I only have used the ignore button if I am personally attacked. I don't need to go there with anyone so if they go there with me then they get ignored.

daleb

11-03-2009, 09:09 AM

If you were referring to only me, then I do agree with your whole statement...yes being a Christian gives me peace of mind, but I thought that you were talking about non-Christians also and not just me. And if that's the case, then just peace of mind will get you nowhere in the end.

Does that make sense now?

Bad wording on my part. If one has faith then one should have peace of mind, I did not mean to single you out, or just one religion.

tcarcio

11-03-2009, 09:10 AM

Good point. :lol:

It doesn't matter that it refers to when stores go from being in the red (profit/loss wise, but meaning losses) to being in the black (meaning turning a profit because it is the turning point for retailers).

Sooner or later someone WILL cause a stink about it because it has the word "black" in it, and they will have to call it something else. :banghead:

Not white friday......:lol:

PFC5

11-03-2009, 09:20 AM

Not white friday......:lol:

Actually it seems that for the PC police, it IS OK to say anything derogatory about white people. They seem to be the only ones that no one looks out for in regard to Politically Correctness. :p

oblioman

11-03-2009, 10:08 AM

The PC police, in me opinion, are nothing short of attention getting drama queens. For the most part, what they seek to correct, no damage was done in the first place, most certainly without intent to harm. A classic example would be PETA asking the state of Wyoming to change it's license plate because, in their opinion, it promotes rodeos. But the funniest one was when PETA protesters gathered during the filming of "The Perfect Storm" over the abuse of rubber fish. The activist's, blinded by ignorance, couldn't tell the difference between real and fake. :D

1955

11-03-2009, 10:48 AM

Bad wording on my part. If one has faith then one should have peace of mind, I did not mean to single you out, or just one religion.

Cool.

DonnyDC

11-03-2009, 12:02 PM

Richard4890

11-03-2009, 12:41 PM

I don't know. To me though does'nt this kind of stuff go on all the time everywhere. To me some of the people on Radio and TV should get much worse!

PFC5

11-03-2009, 01:26 PM

So no one has said anything about it being racist but you are expecting people will..

Interesting how your mind works.. looking for racism where it does not exist...

No. Looking for PC police who will likely eventually get around to names for shopping days after they get done going after all the different foods that THEY think are racist. :p

oblioman

11-03-2009, 04:37 PM

Bad wording on my part. If one has faith then one should have peace of mind, I did not mean to single you out, or just one religion.

Question on religion. Since Rush proudly proclaims that his talent is on loan from god,,,would this not make him a false prophet? Not that me believes any of his bullsquat, or any religion for that matter, just questioning why anybody that has a solid strength in their beliefs, would put up with somebody that basically goes against one of their commandments??? Not trying to start a pisser match,,,just interested in different opinions.

PFC5

11-03-2009, 06:14 PM

I think what he means is that he has God GIVEN talents, and owes his talents to God. Not that he is God. ;)

It is just another way of saying it.

tcarcio

11-09-2009, 09:20 AM

Well it is starting to be known that this muslim terrorist that killed our brave soldiers at Fort Hood was not turned in before this happened due to political correctness gone wild. Red flags were raised when this guy was spewing his garbage and trying to reach Al qaeda but because the military and intelligence officails were to afraid of being politically incorrect due to his muslim background he was allowed to kill. I hope the bleeding heart a-holes are happy..........:mad:

DonnyDC

11-09-2009, 02:32 PM

tcarcio

11-09-2009, 03:39 PM

Link?

Even though it's all over the new's, Here you go.....http://www.nydailynews.com/news/national/2009/11/09/2009-11-09_fort_hood_gunman_nidal_malik_hasan_tried_to_con tact_al_qaeda_and_us_intelligence.html

daleb

11-09-2009, 03:42 PM

Of course there are the non-mulsims, terrorists or otherwise, who decide to blow up their own troops, or students who shoot up classrooms, or someone who shoots down students and teachers from the top of a university tower, or a mail clerk in a post office who goes 'postal', or someone who shoots a US President, etc. etc.

If it turns out he is a Muslim extremist, at least we know the reason for his insanity, for the small compensation that is. But makes you wonder how easy it is to serve this country, and then try to destroy it. Guess we learned nothing from Oklahoma City.

tcarcio

11-09-2009, 03:45 PM

What about non-mulsims, terrorists or otherwise, who decide to blow up their own troops, or students who shoot up classrooms, or someone who shoots down students and teachers from the top of a university tower, or a mail clerk in a post office who goes 'postal', or someone who shoots a US President?
If it turns out he is a Muslim extremist, at least we know the reason for his insanity, for the small compensation that is.

What about them? They should all be treated as the criminals that they are and givin the punishment they deserve. But to date the radicals of the religion of Islam are killing more people worldwide then disgruntled post office employees.

daleb

11-09-2009, 03:50 PM

What about them? They should all be treated as the criminals that they are and givin the punishment they deserve. But to date the radicals of the religion of Islam are killing more people worldwide then disgruntled post office employees.

I edited my post after you replied apparently. Of course, when it comes to sheer numbers there is no comparison world-wide.

tcarcio

11-09-2009, 04:29 PM

I edited my post after you replied apparently. Of course, when it comes to sheer numbers there is no comparison world-wide.

Agreed, That is the problem. I do not blame all muslims for what is going on but when most of this is related to them it's hard to look the other way. We now have proof, because of Fort hood, that PC is in fact very dangerous.

PFC5

11-09-2009, 04:43 PM

Agreed, That is the problem. I do not blame all muslims for what is going on but when most of this is related to them it's hard to look the other way. We now have proof, because of Fort hood, that PC is in fact very dangerous.

AFAIAC the problem is not all Muslims, but the fact that most Muslims do not denounce loudly such acts done in the name of THEIR religion and then they wonder WHY people start to think of them as barbarians or terrorists.

I am Catholic yet I denounced the pedophile priest fiasco loudly and whenever the topic was mentioned. I just do not see the Muslims doing this nor the gov'ts run by Muslims as the "official" religion of their countries. Why not if Islam is a peaceful religion?

daleb

11-09-2009, 05:00 PM

Why not if Islam is a peaceful religion?

That's an excellent question, and one I have yet to see answered with any real authority.
Granted, every religion has it's extremists who adhere to some warped philosophy in the name of God, but never with the fervor and numbers that seems to exist in the Muslim world.
Those who do claim to be non-extremist do not seem to have done enough to dispel that image. Even that does not mean they necessarily agree with it, but you would think they could unite with other peaceful Muslim leaders and make their voices heard. After all, regardless of where they live, their lives are in just as much danger as everyone else, of course, that is assuming they don't intend to jump ship at the 11th hour.

DonnyDC

11-09-2009, 05:09 PM

Even though it's all over the new's, Here you go.....http://www.nydailynews.com/news/national/2009/11/09/2009-11-09_fort_hood_gunman_nidal_malik_hasan_tried_to_con tact_al_qaeda_and_us_intelligence.htmlI knew that. I was asking for a link on the circumstances that the army didnt release hassan. To be politically correct?

tcarcio

11-09-2009, 06:48 PM

I knew that. I was asking for a link on the circumstances that the army didnt release hassan. To be politically correct?

Well until the army comes out with another reason it is general consensus by many on the new's that it is because he was a muslim and they were afraid to call him out because of that. Now if they come out and say it was because he was in a cell and was being watched then that will change my opionion. Although even if that is true if they allowed someone that is a suspected of that to be on an army base with access to weapons then shame on them. Here is a sample of that thought....http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=vs0cwMhhnRw

PFC5

11-10-2009, 11:30 AM

That's an excellent question, and one I have yet to see answered with any real authority.
Granted, every religion has it's extremists who adhere to some warped philosophy in the name of God, but never with the fervor and numbers that seems to exist in the Muslim world.
Those who do claim to be non-extremist do not seem to have done enough to dispel that image. Even that does not mean they necessarily agree with it, but you would think they could unite with other peaceful Muslim leaders and make their voices heard. After all, regardless of where they live, their lives are in just as much danger as everyone else, of course, that is assuming they don't intend to jump ship at the 11th hour.

That is exactly my issue with the Islamic religion. They say it is a peaceful religion, yet when an extremist of their religion kills women and children in the name of their God they say nothing or little to denounce such actions.

Maybe the religion is peaceful but those practicing it are not. In that case I would say it is not a peaceful religion since a religion is made up of those practicing it as a whole. Sure their are a few extremists in every religion, but when the majority do not denounce those few they are as bad as the extremists IMO.

oblioman

11-10-2009, 11:47 AM

That is exactly my issue with the Islamic religion. They say it is a peaceful religion, yet when an extremist of their religion kills women and children in the name of their God they say nothing or little to denounce such actions.

Maybe the religion is peaceful but those practicing it are not. In that case I would say it is not a peaceful religion since a religion is made up of those practicing it as a whole. Sure their are a few extremists in every religion, but when the majority do not denounce those few they are as bad as the extremists IMO.

Martyrdom IS an accepted part of their religion. If they feel that they are killing in the name of Allah, they will continue to do so. Just as christians have killed in the past in the name of their god, the muslims do it today in the name of their god.

DonnyDC

11-10-2009, 12:45 PM

AFAIAC the problem is not all Muslims, but the fact that most Muslims do not denounce loudly such acts done in the name of THEIR religion and then they wonder WHY people start to think of them as barbarians or terrorists.

I am Catholic yet I denounced the pedophile priest fiasco loudly and whenever the topic was mentioned. I just do not see the Muslims doing this nor the gov'ts run by Muslims as the "official" religion of their countries. Why not if Islam is a peaceful religion?I dont know where youre seeing this. Every terrorist attack is followed by a public denouncement by muslim leaders(even in the OP). The only ones who arent, or are even cheering are from the country that the US doesnt exactly have a good standing with.

Every religion can be twisted widescale. The Spanish Inquisition wasnt exactly following christian values yet thats exactly what it sought to protect. Little girls are getting stoned in Ireland by other christians..

PFC5

11-10-2009, 01:08 PM

Martyrdom IS an accepted part of their religion. If they feel that they are killing in the name of Allah, they will continue to do so. Just as christians have killed in the past in the name of their god, the muslims do it today in the name of their god.

SO what other religion in MODERN TIMES is promoting such despicable acts NOW? Sorry but going back 5 centuries ago to find similar things done by other religions doesn't cut it.

tcarcio

11-10-2009, 01:19 PM

I just listened to the Presidents speech in Texas about the act of terrorrism that killed and wounded our brave soldiers. I think it was one of the best speeches that I have heard in wartime, in my lifetime, and I applaud him for it.:yippee:

oblioman

11-10-2009, 02:00 PM

SO what other religion in MODERN TIMES is promoting such despicable acts NOW? Sorry but going back 5 centuries ago to find similar things done by other religions doesn't cut it.

This behavior has been going on for thousands of years. If everyday of your life consists of scrabbling for something to eat, or finding a rock to hide behind,,,it would be pretty easy to find some schmuck willing to blow himself up if ya promised him a virgin. It seems as if the central theme of almost all recognized religion revolves around death and the afterlife. The only difference between a crusade and a jihad is what book you read. If not for oil,,,what other reason are we spending a trillion dollars in the mid-east for? A crusade perhaps?

PFC5

11-11-2009, 03:25 PM

This behavior has been going on for thousands of years. If everyday of your life consists of scrabbling for something to eat, or finding a rock to hide behind,,,it would be pretty easy to find some schmuck willing to blow himself up if ya promised him a virgin. It seems as if the central theme of almost all recognized religion revolves around death and the afterlife. The only difference between a crusade and a jihad is what book you read. If not for oil,,,what other reason are we spending a trillion dollars in the mid-east for? A crusade perhaps?

Again I asked for MODERN times for the other religions not thousands of years ago.

As far as us being in the middle east for oil. No kidding. It is not just oil, but our way of life AND our economy as well. This is WHY I say we need to spend a ton of money looking for an alternate fuel source that is within our own borders. Our dependence on oil for every part of our lives makes us extremely vulnerable on all fronts and forces this.

But need i remind you that the terrorists came HERE (repeatedly over the years) and continue to try to come HERE to cause damage. I doubt they would stop if we found an alternative fuel source and left them alone because we didn't need their oil any more. Then they would say we took away their income stream and are destroying them economically and that they need to attack us because of that. :rolleyes:

While they are fighting our brave trained & equipped soldiers THERE they are having trouble fighting us in the USA because their resources are spread thinner and I would rather have them fighting our soldiers rather than the innocent women & children in this country ANY DAY!

Do you have any idea how much lost money there was because of 9/11? I bet in lost productivity and costs to rebuild it ends up over a trillion dollars for that ONE event. I was working at Verizon as a lan-admin at the time of 9/11 and I can tell you hardly anyone was working at all for several weeks at the Call sites I worked at. It happened all over the country at businesses I am sure too.

If they had a neutron bomb that only effected organic life forms and left everything else in tact it would be much cheaper to remove the source of world terrorism wouldn't it? :D :lol:

DonnyDC

11-11-2009, 05:46 PM

But need i remind you that the terrorists came HERE (repeatedly over the years) and continue to try to come HERE to cause damage. I doubt they would stop if we found an alternative fuel source and left them alone because we didn't need their oil any more. Then they would say we took away their income stream and are destroying them economically and that they need to attack us because of that. :rolleyes:Your theory needs work. Saudi oil plants are frequent targets for al quada.
http://www.nationalterroralert.com/updates/2008/06/26/saudi-arabia-disrupts-planned-terror-attacks-on-oil-facilities-arrests-hundreds/

daleb

11-11-2009, 08:07 PM

PFC5

11-12-2009, 10:00 PM

Your theory needs work. Saudi oil plants are frequent targets for al quada.
http://www.nationalterroralert.com/updates/2008/06/26/saudi-arabia-disrupts-planned-terror-attacks-on-oil-facilities-arrests-hundreds/

I didn't say they would be CORRECT to blame the USA for oil not being needed anymore if we found an alternative. I am just saying no matter what we do short of all converting to the religion of Islam, that the terrorists WILL find a reason to hate and attack us. :hithere:

DonnyDC

11-13-2009, 01:21 AM

The muslims will always have an excuse to attack america.. some might say thats pretty narrow minded but hey, understanding the enemy is overrated. Lets just call them evildoers.

tcarcio

11-13-2009, 07:34 AM

The muslims will always have an excuse to attack america.. some might say thats pretty narrow minded but hey, understanding the enemy is overrated. Lets just call them evildoers.

It is not all Muslims, It is all radicals Muslims that want Jehad that will always have an excuse to attack America or anyone else that doesn't believe the way they do.... Kind of like Democrat liberals....:lol:

DonnyDC

11-13-2009, 08:50 PM

It is not all Muslims, It is all radicals Muslims that want Jehad that will always have an excuse to attack America or anyone else that doesn't believe the way they do.... Kind of like Democrat liberals....:lol:Terrorists are ambiguous about alot of things, their goal isnt one of them. US support of Israel, and now their presence in Afghanistan and Iraq. Its not a mystery what theyre fighting against.
Not saying theyre right but this mentality that they'll continue to bomb america for any and every reason is just.. wow.

tcarcio

11-15-2009, 09:33 AM

Terrorists are ambiguous about alot of things, their goal isnt one of them. US support of Israel, and now their presence in Afghanistan and Iraq. Its not a mystery what theyre fighting against.
Not saying theyre right but this mentality that they'll continue to bomb america for any and every reason is just.. wow.

It is not a mentality it is fact. They come right out and say it. They will kill anyone who doesn't believe in their crusade against the infadels. The mentality that is dangerous is the one that thinks if we just leave them alone then they will live happily ever after and leave everyone else alone. Sorry but that is not the case.

oblioman

11-15-2009, 05:56 PM

It is not a mentality it is fact. They come right out and say it. They will kill anyone who doesn't believe in their crusade against the infadels. The mentality that is dangerous is the one that thinks if we just leave them alone then they will live happily ever after and leave everyone else alone. Sorry but that is not the case.

So what is the case? Continue to borrow billions to go after the few, igniting the many, and keeping the status quo?

tcarcio

11-16-2009, 07:25 AM

So what is the case? Continue to borrow billions to go after the few, igniting the many, and keeping the status quo?

No,I guess your right, We should just let them blow up inocent women and children and cut off heads because it's cheaper that way........ :eyecrazy

oblioman

11-16-2009, 02:19 PM

Not saying that me assumption is correct, just feel that we are on a fruitless mission in the mid-east. The ill's between the muslim world and the west will not be solved by military action, but rather will be magnified and further complicated by our military presence in their countries. A certain segment of there society did attack us, and will continue to attack based upon religious beliefs. But our continued presence on their soil goes beyond their religious beliefs and spills into what they consider an invasion of there way of life. For every radical we kill on their land,,5 will take their place perpetuating a bloodbath where everybody loses. If they do it on our soil, lets be swift and just.

tcarcio

11-16-2009, 02:39 PM

oblioman

11-16-2009, 03:09 PM

Herein lies the conundrum that we be in. A certain segment of their society has evolved beyond the stone age (mostly women) and do wish for a better life beyond the religious constraints placed upon them. Our moral compass dictates that we assist when we can. Unfortunately our moral compass is engrossed in retribution for 9/11. The terrorists were successful then, and are successful today. Every dollar we spend trying to root them out is a victory for them. Their strength is not in an army but in an ideology. As long as our armies are on their soil, that ideology will be maintained that we are the aggressor and that we are the enemy. They don't give one rats ass about bin laden or 9/11. President Obama has been accused of dithering on Afghanistan. If the critics would look beyond the hatred of our president, and look at the pressure that Pakistan is finally putting on the terrorist's, they might see that finally,,,,the right pressure is being applied. Killing terrorist's Obama style,,,just might work.

PFC5

11-16-2009, 08:49 PM

daleb

11-17-2009, 09:24 AM

But we were not over there when 9/11 happened yet they still came HERE. As long as our trained and equipped military is over there the terrorists have been staying there and not coming here where our unarmed civilians are which includes women & children.

That has long been a practical (vs. political) argument against sending troops there.
It would be wise to deploy additional troops around the country at railroads, shipping ports, air terminals, etc., as additional Homeland Security enforcement. While the sophistication of automated electronic detection has improved significantly, the number of areas covered are small.

oblioman

11-17-2009, 03:55 PM

But we were not over there when 9/11 happened yet they still came HERE. As long as our trained and equipped military is over there the terrorists have been staying there and not coming here where our unarmed civilians are which includes women & children.

I agree there is no easy answer. Part of the reason it isn't simple is because you just cannot reason with fanatics, just like you cannot reason with psychos. Attempting do do so is futile IMO.

permit me to differ PFC5,,but we have been over there, for quite some time. If history serves me old memory correct, it was about 1953 that the US was involved in some sort of collusion with the Iranian government and it has went downhill ever since. Not only in Iran but Lebanon, Jordan, Saudi Arabia, to name but a few. Me agrees that there is no easy answer, but clearly bombs and money seem to be making the situation much worse. We will always have the radicals that believe in bloodshed and the longer we push our military at them, the more radical, or fanatic they will become.