Welterweight bout: http://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/thumb/a/a4/Flag_of_the_United_States.svg/22px-Flag_of_the_United_States.svg.png (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/United_States) Amir Sadollah (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Amir_Sadollah) vs. http://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/thumb/a/a4/Flag_of_the_United_States.svg/22px-Flag_of_the_United_States.svg.png (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/United_States) Phil Baroni (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Phil_Baroni)
Welterweight bout: http://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/thumb/a/a4/Flag_of_the_United_States.svg/22px-Flag_of_the_United_States.svg.png (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/United_States) Ben Saunders (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Ben_Saunders_(fighter)) vs. http://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/thumb/a/a4/Flag_of_the_United_States.svg/22px-Flag_of_the_United_States.svg.png (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/United_States) Marcus Davis (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Marcus_Davis_(fighter))
Lightweight bout: http://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/thumb/b/b9/Flag_of_Australia.svg/22px-Flag_of_Australia.svg.png (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Australia) George Sotiropoulos (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/George_Sotiropoulos) vs. http://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/thumb/a/a4/Flag_of_the_United_States.svg/22px-Flag_of_the_United_States.svg.png (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/United_States) Jason Dent (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Jason_Dent)
SOBAY310
10-09-2009, 02:18 PM
Tito!!!! I thought he would at least get a warmup fight in his return. He was suppose to fight Marc Coleman, but Coleman pulled out for some reason. Now he gets Forrest. Oh yeah, Lesnar is on the card too.
This is going to be a good one!
BiggNewt
10-09-2009, 03:51 PM
Ortiz vs Griffin?
Although Griffin was outclassed vs. Silva, he's going to manhandle Ortiz.
kamspy
10-09-2009, 04:27 PM
Forest is a warm up fight SOBAY310.tom :hithere:
http://i30.tinypic.com/s5ixp0.jpg
NEVER FORGET.:lol:
BiggNewt
10-26-2009, 08:29 PM
Lesnar/Carwin fight if off, Lesnar has been sick for more than three weeks.
Woogie
10-28-2009, 01:44 PM
Lesnar/Carwin fight if off, Lesnar has been sick for more than three weeks.
Lesnar is not sick, he's ducking Carwin. Dana White himself doesn't believe Lesnar is sick.
BiggNewt
10-28-2009, 05:09 PM
Even if you are sick for two weeks (he was said to be sick for 25 days), that completely ruins your training. Now I don't know if he is truly sick or not, but is it that hard to believe? Getting the flu, in flu season?
Woogie
10-28-2009, 05:58 PM
Even if you are sick for two weeks (he was said to be sick for 25 days), that completely ruins your training. Now I don't know if he is truly sick or not, but is it that hard to believe? Getting the flu, in flu season?
Not hard to believe that he can get sick. But does a man with a fight on the line and who is supposedly sick do events like this?
SBIgvbt2YQoHe looks fine to me.
House72
10-28-2009, 06:43 PM
Even if you are sick for two weeks (he was said to be sick for 25 days), that completely ruins your training. Now I don't know if he is truly sick or not, but is it that hard to believe? Getting the flu, in flu season?
I think it's all about money.. White used Lesnar to sell tickets for this event, now he can sell more tickets in Jan..
Maybe Lesnar feels he needs more traininng to beat Shane.
I'm still on the fence about him being sick...
Chris Gerhard
11-07-2009, 02:35 AM
Lesnar is not sick, he's ducking Carwin. Dana White himself doesn't believe Lesnar is sick.
I read he had mono, you can't fake that and only a doctor will be able to tell if that is the illness. There should be proof easily available. Where did you see that White doesn't believe he is sick?
Chris
BiggNewt
11-07-2009, 06:46 PM
Yep it's confirmed.
kamspy
11-08-2009, 06:50 PM
Yep it's confirmed.
Confirmed that he and Dana are full of shit?
Or confirmed that LOLForce out did UFC by having a the real heavyweight title fight on broadcast television?
House72
11-08-2009, 07:14 PM
Confirmed that he and Dana are full of shit?
Or confirmed that LOLForce out did UFC by having a the real heavyweight title fight on broadcast television?
Real HW fight..:lol::lol::haha::haha:
Who was that fight between??? Oh yea, the over Hyped Fedor, against, yea that's rights umm who was that again?? A former tire changer from Sams.. He was undefeated, so he must be good. Nope..
Cygnus
11-08-2009, 08:05 PM
Meh...drago is a joke ;)
Or confirmed that LOLForce out did UFC by having a the real heavyweight title fight on broadcast television?
kamspy
11-08-2009, 09:19 PM
Who was that fight between??? Oh yea, the over Hyped Fedor, against, yea that's rights umm who was that again?? A former tire changer from Sams.. He was undefeated, so he must be good. Nope..
Fedor has no hype. His record speaks for itself. He defeated every great MMA heavyweight in his time, and is still fighting anyone that will fight him.
Rogers is one of the best fighters Strikeforce has and would be a top ten heavy weight in UFC without a problem.
All Lesnar has to do is hire a promoter and schedule a fight with Fedor if he wants to end the discussion. The only thing stopping him is an MMA outfit that has a SpikeTV deal.
Arlovski got paid double, triple, even quadruple what much bigger name UFC fighters get for winning fights, so the money wouldn't be an issue.
House72
11-08-2009, 10:08 PM
Fedor has no hype. His record speaks for itself. He defeated every great MMA heavyweight in his time, and is still fighting anyone that will fight him.
Rogers is one of the best fighters Strikeforce has and would be a top ten heavy weight in UFC without a problem.
All Lesnar has to do is hire a promoter and schedule a fight with Fedor if he wants to end the discussion. The only thing stopping him is an MMA outfit that has a SpikeTV deal.
Arlovski got paid double, triple, even quadruple what much bigger name UFC fighters get for winning fights, so the money wouldn't be an issue.
Why doesn't Fedor come to the UFC?? Dana W. tried to sign him multiple times, but nothing came of it. Why should Lesnar have to chase him??
Yes, Rogers is the best Strickforce has to offer, but the UFC isn't strike force.. Fedor signed with a league that has more cans and has beens to fight then the UFC, simple has that...
In the UFC he would actually have to fight some guys with some talent..
Until Fedor comes to the UFC, he will always be a decent fighter, nothing more, nothing less.
The UFC is the Majors, but he still chooses to fight in the Minors, something isn't right there..
I'm sick of all the look what he did to pride fighters, well look what the UFC fighters did to the pride fighters too.
I don't care about past fights, lets get current talent to fight him..
Anyone can have a good record, it's about quality, not quanity..
Chris Gerhard
11-09-2009, 05:59 AM
Why doesn't Fedor come to the UFC?? Dana W. tried to sign him multiple times, but nothing came of it. Why should Lesnar have to chase him??
Yes, Rogers is the best Strickforce has to offer, but the UFC isn't strike force.. Fedor signed with a league that has more cans and has beens to fight then the UFC, simple has that...
In the UFC he would actually have to fight some guys with some talent..
Until Fedor comes to the UFC, he will always be a decent fighter, nothing more, nothing less.
The UFC is the Majors, but he still chooses to fight in the Minors, something isn't right there..
I'm sick of all the look what he did to pride fighters, well look what the UFC fighters did to the pride fighters too.
I don't care about past fights, lets get current talent to fight him..
Anyone can have a good record, it's about quality, not quanity..
Uh, the UFC has a former professional wrestler with a few fights as the champion. What can be worse than that disgrace? How did he jump up to that status with no history? I believe it was done that way as every legitimate contender in the UFC can easily be traced by past fights to be nowhere near as good as Fedor. Of course Mir is 12-4 overall and 1-1 against the former WWF star. I assume White hopes that Carwin can beat Leznar if the fight ever happens since Carwin hasn't fought much and has no history that easily indicates inferiority to Fedor like every other fighter is burdened by. The UFC needs Fedor, it isn't the other way around.
Chris
kamspy
11-09-2009, 03:40 PM
The UFC needs Fedor, it isn't the other way around.
Chris
Yup. Hard give legitimacy to budding fighting league that doesn't have the linear heavyweight champion.
They could let Brock fight Fedor in an independent MMA event. M1 could pull the money together no problem. But look at the risk for UFC, if Brock loses and Fedor continues to refuse any inclusive UFC contract, where does that leave UFC in the public eye? Would Brock still be the reigning UFC heavyweight champ?
If Brock wins, the discussion is over. No one can argue UFC's title legitimacy.
Renzo Gracie never lost his linear middle weight belt either:p:eek:
House72
11-09-2009, 04:02 PM
The UFC, don't need Fedor. Strike force needs Fedor, it will eventually fold in time, just like Affliction.. Then leaving UFC, sole provider of MMA fights..
Yea, so what that a former WWF wrestler is the champ.. He earned it, he beat everyone that was put in front of him to obtain the belt.. Who cares how he got those shots, it's life.. Some people have more doors opened to them then others..
What's going to sell more tickets, Fedor vs a can(the usual) Or Lesnar vs Mir?? Lesnar is there to put ass in the seats, it's a buisness. One has to do best what's for his buisness..
Lesnar has fought better caliber of fighters then Fedor has in the last 5 years.. That is sad, that a Former WWF wrestler is fighting tougher fights then the mighty Fedor...
Chris Gerhard
11-09-2009, 04:55 PM
Lesnar has fought better caliber of fighters then Fedor has in the last 5 years.. That is sad, that a Former WWF wrestler is fighting tougher fights then the mighty Fedor...
Ha ha, most of Lesnar's fights in the last 5 years have been pretend. You are obviously biased against Fedor for whatever reason, I really don't care, but your analysis of why you don't understand the obvious is hilarious to read. We don't want to look at the fighter's records but the UFC fighters are better because you say they are despite the fact, Fedor has beaten every UFC fighter he has faced, and there are quite a number of them.
Chris
House72
11-09-2009, 05:03 PM
Ha ha, most of Lesnar's fights in the last 5 years have been pretend. You are obviously biased against Fedor for whatever reason, I really don't care, but your analysis of why you don't understand the obvious is hilarious to read. We don't want to look at the fighter's records but the UFC fighters are better because you say they are despite the fact, Fedor has beaten every UFC fighter he has faced, and there are quite a number of them.
Chris
I'm not in here spouting that Lesnar is the greatest.. That's why I ask who Fedor fought in the last 5 years besides Crocop was a worth anything as a fighter..
Fedor is a good fighter, but to say he his the best P4P fighter in the world is insane.. He hardly fights anymore to even be considered..
Yea, he beat some UFC guys, 5-6-7 years ago, but come on, lets get current..
House72
11-09-2009, 05:05 PM
Ha ha, most of Lesnar's fights in the last 5 years have been pretend. You are obviously biased against Fedor for whatever reason, I really don't care, but your analysis of why you don't understand the obvious is hilarious to read. We don't want to look at the fighter's records but the UFC fighters are better because you say they are despite the fact, Fedor has beaten every UFC fighter he has faced, and there are quite a number of them.
Chris
The 5 years was for Fedor, not Lesnar.. But if we compare who Lesnar and Fedor fought, you can see Lesnar fought tougher fighters...
kamspy
11-09-2009, 06:08 PM
I'm not sure he's the best P4P fighter in the world. I think Anderson Silva holds that at the moment. But I can assure you when he did fight Cro-Cop, Mirko was in his prime. If you don't think Cro-Cop ever had a prime, you didn't watch much Pride FC. Also the two times he beat Nog, Nog was in his prime. When he beat Mark Coleman? Prime. Kevin Randleman? Prime.
There's no one left for him to fight in reality. Couture might be the most deserving for a shot at the title, but that wouldn't be much of a fight.
Lesnar is going to be a really good fighter, but I haven't seen anything out of him that would lead me to believe he can beat Fedor. Even in the past-his-prime shape he's in. If you think Frank Mir's experience was a threat to Brock, Fedor's would be lethal.
I think it's an enjoyable debate though, and I would love the fight.
House72
11-09-2009, 06:40 PM
I'm not sure he's the best P4P fighter in the world. I think Anderson Silva holds that at the moment. But I can assure you when he did fight Cro-Cop, Mirko was in his prime. If you don't think Cro-Cop ever had a prime, you didn't watch much Pride FC. Also the two times he beat Nog, Nog was in his prime. When he beat Mark Coleman? Prime. Kevin Randleman? Prime.
There's no one left for him to fight in reality. Couture might be the most deserving for a shot at the title, but that wouldn't be much of a fight.
Lesnar is going to be a really good fighter, but I haven't seen anything out of him that would lead me to believe he can beat Fedor. Even in the past-his-prime shape he's in. If you think Frank Mir's experience was a threat to Brock, Fedor's would be lethal.
I think it's an enjoyable debate though, and I would love the fight.
Never said those CroCop or Nog, weren't in their prime.. I said Fedor hasn't faced much talent, since he fought CroCop 5 years ago.. That's all.. Fedor in my eyes hasn't fought the competition of late, like he did in the past..
Mir, has very good BJJ, and Lesnar man handled him on the ground.. Mir is very talented, and Lesnar the second time out, destroyed him.. So, his ( Mir's) experience was never an issue..
I would love to see the fight as well, I would love to see Fedor fight Mir, as well.. I would like to see Fedor fight better competition thats all..
Cygnus
11-10-2009, 11:06 AM
Drago (fedor) fears lenar, the next big thing in MMA. Drago has only beaten tomato cans in that weak league he is in. If he wants real competition, he has to step into the octagon. Lesnar would have beaten mir in the first fight if the ref did not interfere in the match, e.g. taking a point from lesnar, standing them up when lesnar clearly was in control. IMHO the fix was in.
Chris Gerhard
11-10-2009, 11:28 AM
Drago (fedor) fears lenar, the next big thing in MMA. Drago has only beaten tomato cans in that weak league he is in. If he wants real competition, he has to step into the octagon. Lesnar would have beaten mir in the first fight if the ref did not interfere in the match, e.g. taking a point from lesnar, standing them up when lesnar clearly was in control. IMHO the fix was in.
You think Fedor should fight in an organization that you believe fixes fights? If that is what you believe, then Lesnar is certainly right to have moved from one, the WWE, that fixes fights to another. I sure haven't seen anything from Lesnar that makes me believe he can beat Fedor. Lesnar is fine wrestler but Fedor is an all-around fighter, he does everything extremely well which is why he beats bigger stronger opponents routinely.
I think you are also wrong about the first Lesnar-Mir fight being fixed.
Chris
Cygnus
11-10-2009, 11:52 AM
As we have seen in all sports, there is some level of cheating. Regarding the first lesnar/mir fight, you didn’t think it was odd that the ref deducted a point from lesnar from accidentally punching mir in the back of the head? He gave no warning but quickly took a point. There was another time in the match that lesnar was clearly in control, yet the ref stood them up. Just think, if lesnar would have won his first major fight in UFC, that would have hurt the UFC. By having him lose, they made more $$ from the rematch. We see it happening all the time in boxing. Its all entertainment folx
BiggNewt
11-17-2009, 07:43 AM
Lesnar is not sick, he's ducking Carwin. Dana White himself doesn't believe Lesnar is sick.
