jim8888 10-02-2009, 10:36 AM I'm looking to buy my first antenna and I was considering a 91xg or 43xg.
Almost all my stations are uhf. The only one that I think I might want on vhf is channel 13.
It's a pretty strong signal where I'm at.
If it was likely that I could pick it up with that might be the deciding factor for me to buy that antenna.
Just wanted to see what others that own a xg91 or xg43 are able to pick up on vhf...if anything.
Thanks
Jim
IDRick 10-02-2009, 11:44 AM Jim,
You might try sending Hoopitup2000 a PM. He has high vhf channels in his area and is using a XG-91 + vhf antenna.
Rickfla 10-02-2009, 12:32 PM I have a 91-XG and had no problem receiving our channels 3 (on 13 digital) 8 (on 8 digital), 10 (on 10 digital), 13 (on 12 digital) here on west coast of Florida. I did get a VHF separate antenna for longer distance from Orlando and for DX. But originally I only had the 91-XG with pre-amp and there was no problem with the upper VHF's here. My distance from the transmitters is about 25 miles. All I can say is try and see how it works.
hoopitup2000 10-02-2009, 01:32 PM All I can say is try and see how it works.Good advice Rickfla. The signals would need to be fairly strong & free of multipath for reliable reception. I'm surpised you did so well 25 miles out.
JB Antennaman 10-02-2009, 06:27 PM The answer is NO!
I have a station Fox WWCP ch 8 that is about 40 miles away and booming on the VHF and absolutely no signal on the television with a CH 7777 pre amp and mounted 36 feet above average terrain.
Also a station - CW that is about 50 miles away and on Channel 19 that is booming, and no signal with the same antenna and set up.
The XG 91 does not kick in until about channel 21.
I also believe that the CM 7777 filters out some of the VHF and does not allow it to do what you want it to.
When you try to use a UHF only antenna to receive both UHF and VHF - most times you will be disappointed.
The other half of the equation is that if you live more than 25 miles away from a transmitter and even though the signal is quite strong, if it is high enough up in the UHF, you still will loose more in the wire then you would gain by not using a pre amp and trying to save a couple of dollars by just trying to use a XG 91 by it's self.
Using the XG 91 with a open trap for the VHF might cause more problems than it solves, when it comes to a fairly strong FM radio station in your area that might be close enough to interfere with your UHF signal.
Without a real physical address, there is no way to give a report as to what we might think that it would do in your area, or what antenna would work best for you.
tigerbangs 10-02-2009, 07:53 PM I have an XG-43 at my house that i use to get the Hartford, Ct stations from Springfield, MA, a distance of 25 mles. Our local NBC station, WWLP-DT operates on channel 11, and the XG-43 doesn't see it at a distance of 7 mles from the house, even when i am the antenna directly at Provin Mtn. where the WWLP transmitter is. I can stand on my second floor balcony and SEE the WWLP transmitter, but it takes a set of rabbit ears to see that station. Of course, your mileage may vary.
aka.Hooper 10-02-2009, 08:12 PM #1. The channels the OP is looking for are:
Ch 11 @ 68.2dB NM & 3.4 miles away
Ch 13 @ 49.8dB NM & 7.7 miles away.
#2. I've would've bet your CM7777 is set for separate VHF/UHF inputs, and not "Combined" - until Tiger posted...
#3. I'm not sure what the gain curve looks like but I'd guess it's in the double digits all the way down to ch 14.
#4. Don't you realize this is a spin off from the "Where to run the grounding wire and coax" thread?
I'm starting to feel like the JB police.:D
jim8888 10-03-2009, 01:23 AM Thank you IDRick Rickfla hoopitup2000 JBAntennaman tigerbangs and aka.Hooper
It seems that it's a toss up on weather I will be able to get any vhf channels with a 91xg or 43xg.
It's interesting how different people can use the same antenna and have such night and day results with it.
I'm really only interested in picking up channel 13. I would be happy with just getting that one and only vhf channel.
This is my TVfool at 23 feet. If I put the antenna in my attic as I plan on trying first it might be 10 feet lower than this but other than that everything is the same.
http://www.tvfool.com/?option=com_wrapper&Itemid=29&q=id%3d8ecd80a512e1ec
Jim
projectsho89 10-03-2009, 07:38 AM If your 43XG or 91XG is a a bit older, it may have a balun that doesn't pass VHF very well. The new balun that uses a PCB does better at passing whatever VHF might be at the dipole. All you have to do is contact the company via their website and they'll send one out as a courtesy for you to try.
Since the 43/91XG is intended as a UHF-only antenna, whatever VHF reception it may achieve is incidental to its intended application. Still, it can pick up "some" VHF.
Your mileage will definitely vary.
OL' PEDRO 10-03-2009, 07:51 AM I get several VHF stations with my 91xg. One is 20 miles away, the other about 50. I had picked up 'WDKY 56, DIGITAL 4 FROM 50 MILES AWAY' but they moved to digital 36. Amazingly all come in solid with no drop outs. I had my antenna pointed toward Lexington and picked up Beattyville from the side and Hazard from the back. I live in the mountains of eastern Kentucky, which proves this is an awsome antenna.
projectsho89 10-03-2009, 08:38 AM Last winter, I was playing with a 91Xg with my signal meter out in the woods at a friend's place.
I noticed that my local channels 9 & 11 (still analog at that time) showed max signal when oriented broadside to the signal. I suppose the boom was acting as the receiving element.
Rick0725 10-03-2009, 09:08 AM I am not one for using a UHF antenna for receiving VHF no matter how strong the signal is. I would prefer to use one of the wineguard ch 7-69 antennas that is appropriate for your needs. I would use the Winegard HD7694P or HD7695P.
jim8888 10-04-2009, 10:36 AM Thanks Projectsho89 OL'PEDRO and Rick0725
The HD7695p is an antenna I'm seriously considering. It seems to be less avalible than the HD7694p though.
The only place that I found was Solid Signal that had it at a decent price with normal shipping costs.
Does anyone know of other places where the HD7695 is available?
Thanks
Jim
JB Antennaman 10-04-2009, 10:58 AM Online stores can manipulate the price and compensate for the cheaper price by adding to the shipping charges.
Usually, unless you find a store that has a closeout deal, you cannot find a cheaper price then solid signal. But I have to add that Solid Signal has had some problems lately with availability of merchandise and some deals that they had a couple of months ago are now non existent.
JMO - but i think that several of the converter box manufacturers must have quit making or selling their converter boxes, now that the DTV transition is complete and the converter box coupon program is over.
The day's of getting a CM 7000 box for $11 is over.
Most all of the prices have moved back up to the traditional levels - that were before the whole coupon box program was started.
The same holds true for antenna sales. As the demand was greater, the price went down, now there is not as much demand and so the sales have dropped off and the price has risen to match the amount of antenna's being sold and bought in smaller lot's to the wholesaler.
Rick0725 10-04-2009, 11:02 AM Look at your other post.
I give the HD7694P and HD7695P second thoughts. I am not sure what your actual signal situation would be without actually being there and trying antennas. I doubt anyone else that gave you suggestions would know either. Especially with the 2 edge situation, the surrounding hills, local geography, and other situations.
I would purchase the biggest and highest gain Winegard ch 7-69 antenna to be safe. You can not return them once unfolded if it does not perform to your satisfaction.
HD7697P or HD7698P outside.
With a 42xg and CM7777 (no rotator), I easily pick up ch 13 (LOS, 36 miles) and sometimes get ch 9 & 11 (both 2 edge multipath, 45 miles). I can't count on 9 & 11 though and expect to have to add a 7-13 yagi. While the reception from the 42XG seems impressive to this neophyte (both distance and beamwidth), I will tell you that it's a flimsy piece of junk. The first one I ordered came broken in the box and so did its replacement. Additional pieces broke off in the first month through mild wind, small sticks falling from trees, and a very light tap when moving the antenna from one location to another. My unsubstantiated guess is that the 91xg might handle my lower upper-vhf multipath channels but I'd lose the 42xg beamwidth that gets me all the UHF channels I want within almost 50 degrees and 50 miles on one aim (although a few weaker or multipath signals still vary with time of day and weather).
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