Alternative disease approach

Any thoughts on this? http://www.stopdoingcancer.com/the-new-biology-p.htm

Friend of mine was crippled from MS and ready to die. A few months of this has reversed/eliminated his disease. Not saying it is a cure all, but there seems to be something to it

Snake Oil

Snake Oil

I agree and have myself been doing alternative medicine treatments for cancer. This is a SCAM.

Yes, the citation makes claims that are not only unsupported by clinical data, but are contrary to "normal" research and findings.

Example:
. . . cancer is NOT a sickness or disease but a symptom or better said the effect of metabolic acids and catarrh that has built up in the blood and then thrown off into the tissues that has significantly affected the white blood cells . . . ability to remove these acids . . .
Wow, what a bunch of unsubstantiated hooey!!!

and:
cancer is not a cell but an acidic liquid that spoils our cells that make up our tissues and organs when those acids are not properly eliminated through urination, perspiration, respiration or defecation.
Bunk and snake oil.

tl, dr...I finally have a chance to use that ;)

Any thoughts on this? http://www.stopdoingcancer.com/the-new-biology-p.htm

Friend of mine was crippled from MS and ready to die. A few months of this has reversed/eliminated his disease. Not saying it is a cure all, but there seems to be something to it

I think in some people, the brain believes it will work, so it does work for some.

Everyone else who had AIDS is dead back when Magic Johnson contracted it. Supposedly, he had blood transfusions, and alternative therapies! He sure looks healthy to me.

If you can convince the brain, anything is possible.

I think in some people, the brain believes it will work, so it does work for some.

Everyone else who had AIDS is dead back when Magic Johnson contracted it. Supposedly, he had blood transfusions, and alternative therapies! He sure looks healthy to me.

If you can convince the brain, anything is possible.

Hmmm,,,was it the transfusions and a huge dose of a drug cocktail, or the alternative medicine? Me money goes towards the haart treatment he receives. As for faith medicine,,,the odds are in favor of science.

If I remember well, cancer cells cannot live in an alkaline environment of 8.4 or higher. Trick would be to get this alkaline state in the cells itself which takes time and dedication. I don't think this is a matter of belief as far as alkalinity is concerned. As far as "snake oil", don't need any special medicine to do this, just some determination and understanding.

Here is a link that I found just now on this.

http://www.merchantcircle.com/blogs/AZALOE.602-524-5283/2009/5/Cancer-Cells-Cannot-Live-In-An-Alkaline-Environment-/236748

If I remember well, cancer cells cannot live in an alkaline environment of 8.4 or higher. Trick would be to get this alkaline state in the cells itself which takes time and dedication. I don't think this is a matter of belief as far as alkalinity is concerned. As far as "snake oil", don't need any special medicine to do this, just some determination and understanding.

Here is a link that I found just now on this.

http://www.merchantcircle.com/blogs/AZALOE.602-524-5283/2009/5/Cancer-Cells-Cannot-Live-In-An-Alkaline-Environment-/236748

Cancer cells cannot reproduce and/or survive in Oxygen enriched cells. That is a proven fact and the basis for most alternative treatment methodologies.

Cancer cells cannot reproduce and/or survive in Oxygen enriched cells. That is a proven fact and the basis for most alternative treatment methodologies.

Getting the cells to a level of alkalinity that allows oxygen to thrive would be the answer then. If it was me that was ill, I would systematically flood it from all sides, such as high ph water, lots of greens and foods that have an alkalizing affect on our bodies until the disease backs off, and then keep at it for two years or so to knock it out and be careful how I treat my body from then on.

Getting the cells to a level of alkalinity that allows oxygen to thrive would be the answer then. If it was me that was ill, I would systematically flood it from all sides, such as high ph water, lots of greens and foods that have an alkalizing affect on our bodies until the disease backs off, and then keep at it for two years or so to knock it out and be careful how I treat my body from then on.

Too much alkalinity has it's negative impact on the body as well. That is why this has NOT been proven to be a viable treatment. Take this from an immunologist...

Too much alkalinity has it's negative impact on the body as well. That is why this has NOT been proven to be a viable treatment. Take this from an immunologist...

I agree, but when your body is ravaged with disease, there should be room to play with this. You would need to tell my friend who suffered from MS for so long and for once in his life can live normally and happily. Doctors have treated him like sh.t on both sides of the border for even daring to mention he is well again without medication. My thinking is that if ones body is in an acidic state, then it would not hurt to go on a mostly alkaline diet until the condition has improved. What could hurt in that? Once symptoms of any disease has diminished, one could go on a more balanced diet like suggested of 75% foods that promote alkalinity and 25% foods that promote acidity to keep normal balance. Average North American diet is opposite at 75% acid and 25% alkaline.

Here is a food chart that shows which foods do what in the body when ingested in terms of acid/alkaline

http://www.acidalkalinediet.com/Alkaline-Foods-Chart.htm

Back to my friend, he did not go crazy with the information as he has been worn down by many alternative methods that have given him about the same amount of grief that his medication has, but through his own common sense, started eliminating the highest acid makers from his diet including coffee, sweetened fruit juice, black tea, bananas, pineapples, bread, all dairy products, beef, sardines and tuna, peanut butter, eggs, etc etc and started methodically replacing them with foods that provided alkalinity for his body. He also purchased from a local shop some ph drops which he added to his water everyday as his water was at 6.2ph and he needed to bring it higher than that and replaced sunflower oil with olive oil. Doesn't make much sense at first, but when you look at that chart and compare, it makes a lot of sense.

Any thoughts on this? http://www.stopdoingcancer.com/the-new-biology-p.htm

Friend of mine was crippled from MS and ready to die. A few months of this has reversed/eliminated his disease. Not saying it is a cure all, but there seems to be something to it

This Multiple Sclerosis miracle cure should have gotten some press, did he just choose to keep what happened a secret or did I miss the national news stories?

Does anybody else find the article by Dr. Robert O. Young a little fishy? Here is a little information from Wikipedia:

Legal issues
In 1995, Young allegedly drew blood from two women, told them they were ill, and then sold them herbal products to treat these illnesses. He was charged with two third-degree felony counts of practicing medicine without a license, but pled guilty to a reduced misdemeanor charge.[18][28] Young argued that he had never claimed to be a medical doctor, that the women had entrapped him by asking to be part of his research, and that he "looked at the women's blood and simply gave them some nutritional advice."[18]

In 2001, Young was again charged with a felony in Utah, after a woman suffering from cancer alleged that he told her to stop chemotherapy and use one of his products to treat her cancer instead. Subsequently, when an undercover agent visited Young, he allegedly analyzed her blood and prescribed a liquid diet. The case was taken to preliminary trial, but charges were dropped after the prosecutor stated that he could not find enough people who felt cheated by Young. Young himself dismissed the arrests as "harassment", and stated that they were a factor in his move to California, "in part because the legal climate here is more tolerant for dietary researchers such as himself."[28]



I believe he is just a modern day snake oil salesman, nothing more and whatever alleged cancer cures follow his methods are surely nothing more than a coincidence or outright and deliberate fraud.

Chris

Back to my friend . . .
That's just bad science. It's anecdotal and has no merit as "proof" of anything . . .
except that all diseases exhibit occasions of spontaneous remission.
In fact, one of the recognized subtypes of MS is the relapsing-remitting subtype; most individuals with MS exhibit some form of remission during the course of the disease.

I find it hard to believe that "Doctors have treated him like sh.t on both sides of the border for even daring to mention he is well again without medication", as any medical doctor familiar with MS would be well aware of the common occurance of remission with this disease.
Perhaps they are quacks like "Dr." Young in the OP - who, by the way, is not a medical doctor and whos crededtials (except for his BS) are all from unaccredited institutions.

Once again - Snake Oil.

I find it hard to believe that "Doctors have treated him like sh.t on both sides of the border for even daring to mention he is well again without medication", as any medical doctor familiar with MS would be well aware of the common occurance of remission with this disease.

You'll have to take that up with him! I doubt he would value anything you have to say based on his own personal proof.

For anyone interested, my Uncle has MS since 1991. He beat it once through diet, but the last 5 years it has almost crippled him as it came back. He admits to a terrible diet and stress as to the cause of the relapse. It is not a big mystery to him and he is well aware that he was the cause of it. He is trying this alkaline diet too now moderately too see if it does any good. He beat it before by staying off all dairy products and fermented products but this time his condition is far worse so it would be a good test. After 3 weeks now he doesn't feel any better or worse.

I read that when we die, our cells turn rapidly acidic and the microbes take over so there is something to keeping our cells at an alkaline state between around ph 7.0 to 7.4. Blood apparently is much less forgiving and stays in a narrower range. If one does research on this subject there is so much controversy over it, but from what we gather, doing it right is somewhat of a slow process and the rewards are great so from time to time I'll keep this thread alive and post the good or bad results of my Uncles diet for anyone that may be considering this. He's with us and can't cheat now and has no desire to as he has enough fight in him to try and beat this.

There are many charts that are contradicting as to what foods are alkalizing when ingested so we took what is common to most charts as the baseline for starting without getting to fanatical about it. As for alkalizing his drinking water, he adds some coral calcium as that seems to do the trick.

I will certainly agree a good diet is an important part of good health. I don't know if your uncle's claim that a good diet cured his MS which he followed with a poor diet that brought about a relapse is real or not but I doubt it. I can state from personal experience, there is nothing more important to good health than proper diet and exercise. An alternative approach that includes a good diet and exercise is not alternative at all, there is nothing more mainstream than that approach.

Chris

I wonder what ever happened to hyperbaric treatment(s) chambers and the like.

I wonder what ever happened to hyperbaric treatment(s) chambers and the like.

Looks like it is still around and successfully treats some conditions.
http://www.hc-sc.gc.ca/hl-vs/iyh-vsv/med/hyper-eng.php

I will certainly agree a good diet is an important part of good health. I don't know if your uncle's claim that a good diet cured his MS which he followed with a poor diet that brought about a relapse is real or not but I doubt it. I can state from personal experience, there is nothing more important to good health than proper diet and exercise. An alternative approach that includes a good diet and exercise is not alternative at all, there is nothing more mainstream than that approach.

Chris

I can't really doubt it as he seemed to have figured it out and stayed healthy for a a very long time. When he got lazy and went back to his old habits, it finally caught up with him again, so he went back to his diet and got rid of it again. He's older now so it appears his body will react slower, time will tell I guess and I'll post it here either way. Interestingly enough, my friend who overcame MS did what he did more or less and chose alkalizing foods. Difference with my Uncle is that in the past, he chose them without knowing they were alkalizing, so a little luck there as well. Even though he has had MS again for about 5 years, he didn't go all out as before to get rid of it which I know is true, but he realizes that it's the same old story and promises if he wins the battle this time he'll have learned a hard lesson and will use common sense before putting anything in his mouth.

From Hot Cup of Joe:

He stated that "if your body's pH is alkaline you cannot get cancer," and that the "body pH" of all cancer patients was acidic.

It is true that cancer cells cannot survive in an alkaline environment. But what Trudeau either is ignorant about or omits from his claim is that no cell in the body can survive in an alkaline state. The functions of enzymes in the body are to begin chemical reactions. Enzymes only function in a narrow range of acidic pH. If the pH balance of one's blood is affected to increase or decrease, then the body acts quickly to correct this to prevent sickness or death. Trudeau's claim of eating certain foods to increase alkalinity is bunk. All foods that go into the stomach will become acidic, after all, HCl is produced there. From the stomach, they go to the intestines and are neutralized by secretions from the pancreas. At that point, the food is alkaline.

His source:

Mirkin, Gabe (2003). Acid/Alkaline Theory of Disease Is Nonsense. Quackwatch.org.

From Hot Cup of Joe:



His source:

Mirkin, Gabe (2003). Acid/Alkaline Theory of Disease Is Nonsense. Quackwatch.org.


Many Theories! After passing through the stomach into the intestine "ash" content is produced either alkaline or acidic according to other research. My Uncle is feeling much better already but time will tell. He is also using MSM and watered down food grade hydrogen peroxide as well. From my understanding, the blood ph is much more narrow, 7.2 to 7.4 or something like that to survive but the idea here is too make the cells more alkaline as they can operate in a much greater range of something around 3.5 to 8.4. Don't quote me on that. The idea is to slowly but persistently hydrate to the point where the cells take on more alakaline water again by drinking slowly throughout the day instead of gulping down the water which just fills your bladder rapidly and does not get to where it is supposed to. It is winter now so he is drinking 3 liters of water every day by sipping throughout the day. When he first started, his blader was working over time, but now after about 5 weeks or so, it looks like his cells are now absorbing the water and he is back to normal bladder function.

Update on Uncle's condition. Still no better no worse. Was a week there where he was feeling so great, but then back to normal with his MS. So far, what his alkaline diet has done is make him look 10 years younger and whilst we all got a flu bug, he did not.

Was a report yesterday on Canadian TV about an Italian Doctor who cured his wife's MS and countless others and the evidence and documentation he did for 2 years now I think is very very good. His procedure is call the Liberation Treatment. Here is a link from UK
http://www.msrc.co.uk/index.cfm?fuseaction=show&pageid=2944

and the one from Canada
http://www.ctv.ca/servlet/ArticleNews/story/CTVNews/20091120/W5_liberation_091121/20091121?s_name=W5