auto speaker set up

Hello all, i have a infinity ps 210 sub, on the back of the sub there is a crossover knob that goes up to 150 and a volume knob before I run the audyssey set up what should I set the crossover and volume at on the sub, I am also using all infinity primus LRC speakers with an onkyo 506 avr. thanks

Hello all, i have a infinity ps 210 sub, on the back of the sub there is a crossover knob that goes up to 150 and a volume knob before I run the audyssey set up what should I set the crossover and volume at on the sub, I am also using all infinity primus LRC speakers with an onkyo 506 avr. thanks

Turn it off and let your receiver handle the crossover.

Hello all, i have a infinity ps 210 sub, on the back of the sub there is a crossover knob that goes up to 150 and a volume knob before I run the audyssey set up what should I set the crossover and volume at on the sub, I am also using all infinity primus LRC speakers with an onkyo 506 avr. thanks


On the PS 210, set the crossover at 80 and the volume at center position. Then run Audyssey.

Hope this helps...

Turn it off and let your receiver handle the crossover.

Not all subs have a disable switch for the crossover. So if it does not just turn you're crossover on the sub all the way up and let the receiver handle the crossover.

Not all subs have a disable switch for the crossover. So if it does not just turn you're crossover on the sub all the way up and let the receiver handle the crossover.

Incorrect info. The instructions I gave are exactly what you need to do with that particular sub.

Incorrect info. The instructions I gave are exactly what you need to do with that particular sub.

I wouldn't call it incorrect info exactly;) I wasn't quoting you're post but was saying on most subs you don't have the option to disable the crossover. Not sure why you would set the crossover on the sub and not in the receiver. No, I am not familiar with that particular sub but as a rule of thumb you always control you're crossover in the receiver, correct?

I wouldn't call it incorrect info exactly;) I wasn't quoting you're post but was saying on most subs you don't have the option to disable the crossover. Not sure why you would set the crossover on the sub and not in the receiver. No, I am not familiar with that particular sub but as a rule of thumb you always control you're crossover in the receiver, correct?

Instructions/directions from both Audyssey and the sub manufacturer...

Instructions/directions from both Audyssey and the sub manufacturer...

I still can't understand why one would do that when when LFE frequency is present from 120Hz and down:cool: Now I will say you are incorrect. The subs crossover should be turned all the way up not set at 80Hz.

oh no now what do I do?

I'm not sure what Loves2Watch means with his recommendation. He says it's specific for your sub. Perhaps he will explain what he means. That advice runs counter to the usual procedure with a powered sub where bass management happens in the processor.

When you do bass management in the processor, you want the sub to play whatever you send it. That's why you should disable the crossover in the sub or set it as high as possible. Consider what happens if you set the crossover at 100Hz in the AVR and then set it at 80Hz on the sub. The frequencies between 80Hz and 100Hz get rerouted from the main speakers to the sub. The sub then throws them away. You create a hole between 80Hz and 100Hz.

I'm not sure what Loves2Watch means with his recommendation. He says it's specific for your sub. Perhaps he will explain what he means. That advice runs counter to the usual procedure with a powered sub where bass management happens in the processor.

When you do bass management in the processor, you want the sub to play whatever you send it. That's why you should disable the crossover in the sub or set it as high as possible. Consider what happens if you set the crossover at 100Hz in the AVR and then set it at 80Hz on the sub. The frequencies between 80Hz and 100Hz get rerouted from the main speakers to the sub. The sub then throws them away. You create a hole between 80Hz and 100Hz.

Correct. That's my point, all bass management should be done in the AVR and not the crossover on the back of the sub;)

Read the directions in the receiver Owners Manual. It will direct you how to do it. Ignore all the posts here including my other ones.

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This be the fun part of tweaking. me always thought it be the receivers job to do the crossover, and just let the sub handle the amp side. But if the mfg. from both the sub and tuner side suggest starting from an 80% side (closer to 60% for this sub) to adjust the cross, that would be me starting point. This what tweaking be all about, tuning to your own sound. If somebody could tweak that incessant hum out of me right ear, me would be a happy camper.

Here's what the Onkyo 506 manual says:
If you’re using a powered subwoofer, as it outputs very
low-frequency sound and its position is usually low down,
it may not be detected by the automatic speaker setup. In
this case, increase the subwoofer’s volume, select its
highest crossover frequency, and then try running the
automatic speaker setup again. Note that if the volume is
set too high and the sound distorts, it may not be detected,
so use an appropriate volume level. If the subwoofer has
a low-pass filter switch, set it to Off or Direct. Refer to
your subwoofer’s instruction manual for details.

In other words, set the volume of the sub somewhere in the middle. Disable the crossover. (Or, set it as high as possible if you can't disable it). I think that's pretty much the advice that was offered by most posters in this thread.

Here's what the Onkyo 506 manual says:


In other words, set the volume of the sub somewhere in the middle. Disable the crossover. (Or, set it as high as possible if you can't disable it). I think that's pretty much the advice that was offered by most posters in this thread.

Bingo:thumbsup:

I really appreciate everyones help you all are f-in rockstars!!

Here's what the Onkyo 506 manual says:


In other words, set the volume of the sub somewhere in the middle. Disable the crossover. (Or, set it as high as possible if you can't disable it). I think that's pretty much the advice that was offered by most posters in this thread.

I too read that same part in the manual and I think most here passed over the part -

it may not be detected by the automatic speaker setup. In
this case and shortly following - select its
highest crossover frequency, and then try running the
automatic speaker setup again

I will stand by my original post. It will deliver the smoothest transition...

I too read that same part in the manual and I think most here passed over the part -

it may not be detected by the automatic speaker setup. In
this case and shortly following - select its
highest crossover frequency, and then try running the
automatic speaker setup again

I will stand by my original post. It will deliver the smoothest transition...

But that would be the second option offered to the OP. If the original (snapping the cross) did not work, then one would adjust up and try again. Either way,,,,we got the OP to play with his equipment!!:D

I will stand by my original post. It will deliver the smoothest transition...
Which post do you mean?

This one?
On the PS 210, set the crossover at 80 and the volume at center position. Then run Audyssey.
Or, this one, where you said to ignore the first one?
Read the directions in the receiver Owners Manual. It will direct you how to do it. Ignore all the posts here including my other ones.
If you are back to the first recommendation, can you explain how that delivers the smoothest transition? Don't you simply lose the LFE frequencies above 80Hz along with the frequencies in the main channels between 80Hz and the crossover set in the processor?

I too read that same part in the manual and I think most here passed over the part -

it may not be detected by the automatic speaker setup. In
this case and shortly following - select its
highest crossover frequency, and then try running the
automatic speaker setup again

I will stand by my original post. It will deliver the smoothest transition...

In you're original post you say, set the crossover to 80Hz on the sub. That is not the highest crossover frequency on the back of the sub. The OP will loose sub performance by doing that. Once again, bass management should be controlled by the AVR and not by the sub. How can you stand by you're original post? You are giving incorrect info on how to set a sub up.

In you're original post you say, set the crossover to 80Hz on the sub. That is not the highest crossover frequency on the back of the sub. The OP will loose sub performance by doing that. Bullshit. When did you become an audio engineer. That IS the proper way to set it up but I will argue no longer with all of you audio "professionals" Once again, bass management should be controlled by the AVR and not by the sub. How can you stand by you're original post? You are giving incorrect info on how to set a sub up.

Here's to laughing at you.

Here's to laughing at you.

It's called common sense. Even the manual contradicts what you are recommending to the OP, maybe you should ask the ones who designed and engineered the sub. You have been called out because you're wrong. Suck it up and move on;) Real people admit to their mistakes;)

It's called common sense. Even the manual contradicts what you are recommending to the OP, maybe you should ask the ones who designed and engineered the sub. You have been called out because you're wrong. Suck it up and move on;) Real people admit to their mistakes;)

Actually it IS YOU that is wrong. But since you are so blinded by your know it all attitude you will never see it.

I was attempting to answer the OP's question with the best solution, which in fact is correct. You came along with another and refuted that for some reason. Actually it's time for you to do some research and move along until you find the correct solution/answer rather then mistakenly telling an industry professional (design/engineer), who does this kind of thing for a living that they are wrong.:hithere:

So admit your mistake and come back when you find the correct information.

Actually it IS YOU that is wrong. But since you are so blinded by your know it all attitude you will never see it.

I was attempting to answer the OP's question with the best solution, which in fact is correct. You came along with another and refuted that for some reason. Actually it's time for you to do some research and move along until you find the correct solution/answer rather then mistakenly telling an industry professional (design/engineer), who does this kind of thing for a living that they are wrong.:hithere:

So admit your mistake and come back when you find the correct information.

You don't need a degree to figure out you're recommendation is WRONG. And I wouldn't be touting you have one when you tell someone the INCORRECT WAY to set their sub up. It's so black and white that the OP needs to set his crossover on the back of the sub all the way up and handle bass management with his AVR.

And if you read a few post back the correct information which is what I have been saying all along is copy and pasted from the manual.


And on a side note, you tell him how to set it up in post #3 (which is wrong) and then in post #12 you say ignore all posts here including my other ones.:huh:huh

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You don't need a degree to figure out you're recommendation is WRONG. And I wouldn't be touting you have one when you tell someone the INCORRECT WAY to set their sub up. It's so black and white that the OP needs to set his crossover on the back of the sub all the way up and handle bass management with his AVR.

And if you read a few post back the correct information which is what I have been saying all along is copy and pasted from the manual.


And on a side note, you tell him how to set it up in post #3 (which is wrong) and then in post #12 you say ignore all posts here including my other ones.:huh:huh

Incorrect to you, not to professionals.

Incorrect to you, not to professionals.

Here is a quote from you. Instructions/directions from both Audyssey and the sub manufacturer... Setting the crossover all the way up is what it says in the manual and the correct way. Man, what are you missing:rolleyes:

Loves2Watch - Any chance you will explain why you believe the OP should set the crossover to 80Hz on his sub?

Loves2Watch - Any chance you will explain why you believe the OP should set the crossover to 80Hz on his sub?

Because that is the IDEAL setting to use for this particular sub/receiver combination. Proven through testing, and real world use.

Because that is the IDEAL setting to use for this particular sub/receiver combination. Proven through testing, and real world use.
Sorry, but that is not an adequate answer to the question "why". I must also say that it suggests a lack of understanding of the relationships among receivers, subs, and speakers when it comes to bass management. When you say "this particular sub/receiver" combination, you are leaving out the most important component of all, the speakers. If the OP needs to set the Onkyo crossover at 120Hz or 100Hz because of his speakers, then an 80Hz filter at the sub creates a rather significant hole. But, unfortunately, you are unwilling to address that issue. It would be helpful to the OP if you were to explain your thinking here. We might all learn something.

Because that is the IDEAL setting to use for this particular sub/receiver combination. Proven through testing, and real world use.

You're world use, but not real world use;)

You're world use, but not real world use;)

If you say so. I am so glad to know understand that you know all. But since I have evaluated and setup up about 10 of these systems in the last several months, I speak from experience...

Sorry, but that is not an adequate answer to the question "why". I must also say that it suggests a lack of understanding of the relationships among receivers, subs, and speakers when it comes to bass management. When you say "this particular sub/receiver" combination, you are leaving out the most important component of all, the speakers. If the OP needs to set the Onkyo crossover at 120Hz or 100Hz because of his speakers, then an 80Hz filter at the sub creates a rather significant hole. But, unfortunately, you are unwilling to address that issue. It would be helpful to the OP if you were to explain your thinking here. We might all learn something.

No explanation necessary. I didn't post this for you to question it. If you don't like the suggestion it is noted. Too bad you fail to see beyond your blinders. I will not post a 3 page description of the relationship of this equipment and it's functions to satisfy you.

Let the OP do what they want. Go trash a thread somewhere else.

People, I was not looking to start an HD war, I was hoping to get some professional advice, so lets all stop the bickering cause we all love a good thread!

If you say so. I am so glad to know understand that you know all. But since I have evaluated and setup up about 10 of these systems in the last several months, I speak from experience...

I never said I know all but you seem to think you do. I have read many of you're post in the past and you always have good advise and or information but I still have to disagree on the way you are telling the OP how to set his subs crossover up;)

Hello all, i have a infinity ps 210 sub, on the back of the sub there is a crossover knob that goes up to 150 and a volume knob before I run the audyssey set up what should I set the crossover and volume at on the sub, I am also using all infinity primus LRC speakers with an onkyo 506 avr. thanks
There's one additional switch on your sub - the one that says LFE/Normal. Here's what p5 of the PS210 manual says about where to set that switch:
If you have a Dolby® Digital or DTS® receiver/processor with a low-frequency effects (LFE) or subwoofer output: Set LFE/Normal switch to “LFE.”
p6 of manual then explains how that affects the Crossover Adjustment:
NOTE: This control will have no effect if the LFE/Normal Selector ™ is set to LFE. If you have a Dolby Digital or DTS processor/receiver, the Low-Pass Frequency is set by the processor/receiver. Consult your owner’s manual to learn how to view or change this setting.

Since you have an AVR with DD and DTS decoders and a SW output, Infinity recommends that you set the LFE/Normal switch to LFE. That disengages the crossover adjustment on the sub and lets the AVR handle bass management. The sub will then play whatever your processor sends it.

So, on the sub, you should set the volume around the middle, the selector switch to LFE, and the crossover level doesn't matter since it will be ignored based on the switch setting. On your AVR, set the crossovers based on what your speakers can handle. Speaker manuals usually contain that information.

Good post BIslander and correct. For someone who has tested this sub in the real world, so he says, has no clue on how to set this sub up or any sub for that matter. Makes me wonder his credibility on any feedback on any products since he wasn't even able to back up his so called research when he was called out on it. Buy the way if you need any medical assistance I am a doctor:lol:

Good post BIslander and correct. For someone who has tested this sub in the real world, so he says, has no clue on how to set this sub up or any sub for that matter. Makes me wonder his credibility on any feedback on any products since he wasn't even able to back up his so called research when he was called out on it. Buy the way if you need any medical assistance I am a doctor:lol:

Shove it, Mr. know everything.

There's one additional switch on your sub - the one that says LFE/Normal. Here's what p5 of the PS210 manual says about where to set that switch:

p6 of manual then explains how that affects the Crossover Adjustment:


Since you have an AVR with DD and DTS decoders and a SW output, Infinity recommends that you set the LFE/Normal switch to LFE. That disengages the crossover adjustment on the sub and lets the AVR handle bass management. The sub will then play whatever your processor sends it.

So, on the sub, you should set the volume around the middle, the selector switch to LFE, and the crossover level doesn't matter since it will be ignored based on the switch setting. On your AVR, set the crossovers based on what your speakers can handle. Speaker manuals usually contain that information.


That is certainly one way to do it and a proper way as well but not the only way.

Shove it, Mr. know everything.

That's the response from a so called "industry professional (design/engineer)":what: Makes me wonder who is hiding behind the computer:lol:

That is certainly one way to do it and a proper way as well but not the only way.

:huh:huh:huh

After post #5, #7, #24, you finally admit this is the correct way:lol: I have only one question then, why all the disagreement:confused:

:huh:huh:huh

After post #5, #7, #24, you finally admit this is the correct way:lol: I have only one question then, why all the disagreement:confused:

Get a life...

Get a life...

I got to admit you put on a pretty good front for a person who thinks he has all this great research and knowledge into these products but when he is called out to back up his research (which if you were truly testing all these products you would have) does the tip toe around dance

That is certainly one way to do it and a proper way as well but not the only way.Actually, when bass management is performed by the processor in a multichannel system with a powered sub, I believe it IS the only proper way. From UltimateAV Magazine's primers on bass management:

http://www.ultimateavmag.com/howto/805bass/

This brings us to subwoofers with multiple line-level inputs. The concept of a subwoofer with multiple inputs that have various filtering and summing functions makes no sense in light of our discussion of bass management. In a multichannel audio system with bass management, a subwoofer needs one input, a polarity switch, a power switch, and that's all folks! Those other things-diverse inputs with misleading names, a stereo summing input, a lowpass filter, a volume control, etc.-are only useful in a stereo system without bass management.

Actually, when bass management is performed by the processor in a multichannel system with a powered sub, I believe it IS the only proper way. From UltimateAV Magazine's primers on bass management:

http://www.ultimateavmag.com/howto/805bass/

There is usually always more than one way to accomplish a proper sound goal but I will argue this point no more. Thanks for your added info. :D

There is usually always more than one way to accomplish a proper sound goal but I will argue this point no more. Thanks for your added info. :D

But not for the OP:rolleyes: You're advise was incorrect.....let's move on:thumbsup:

There is usually always more than one way to accomplish a proper sound goal but I will argue this point no more. Thanks for your added info. :DUnfortunately, argue seems to be the operative word. You have yet to offer anything beyond somewhat grandioise pronouncements supported only by your claim of expertise as a professional installer. A little actual information would have added to this thread.

You are correct that there is often more than one way to achieve a goal. But, of course, that doesn't mean the approach you are recommending here is proper.

Unfortunately, argue seems to be the operative word. You have yet to offer anything beyond somewhat grandioise pronouncements supported only by your claim of expertise as a professional installer. A little actual information would have added to this thread.

You are correct that there is often more than one way to achieve a goal. But, of course, that doesn't mean the approach you are recommending here is proper.

And it doesn't mean it isn't either.

But not for the OP:rolleyes: You're advise was incorrect.....let's move on:thumbsup:

Yes, please do move along, little boy...

And it doesn't mean it isn't either.True. That conclusion is based on science, CE manufacturers, and genuine audio professionals.

True. That conclusion is based on science, CE manufacturers, and genuine audio professionals.

That's the problem, he can't back up his false information on setting up this sub. I don't believe he has ever heard or tested this sub. I think it's someone behind the computer pretending to be someone he is not. This is HT 101 on how to set up a powered subwoofer with an AVR handling bass management. If he would post this on any other forum he will get the same results. This comes from someone who calls himself a professional but can't handle being proven wrong. And I'm the little boy:haha: The bottom line is you are INCORRECT.

That's the problem, he can't back up his false information on setting up this sub. I don't believe he has ever heard or tested this sub. I think it's someone behind the computer pretending to be someone he is not. This is HT 101 on how to set up a powered subwoofer with an AVR handling bass management. If he would post this on any other forum he will get the same results. This comes from someone who calls himself a professional but can't handle being proven wrong. And I'm the little boy:haha: The bottom line is you are INCORRECT.

Quit with all of this childish prattle. If you don't understand, too bad. I will not give you a lesson in audio engineering as it is not you that asked the question. I answered it with correct information whether you believe it to be so or not.

Yes you are acting childish telling others they are wrong when in fact you don''t know if it is correct or not, and it is.

This seems to be one of your favorite things to do, at least in this thread. Your opinion has been noted so move along now...:cool:

Quit with all of this childish prattle. If you don't understand, too bad. I will not give you a lesson in audio engineering as it is not you that asked the question. I answered it with correct information whether you believe it to be so or not.

Yes you are acting childish telling others they are wrong when in fact you don''t know if it is correct or not, and it is.

This seems to be one of your favorite things to do, at least in this thread. Your opinion has been noted so move along now...:cool:

There you go again, tip toeing around the question at hand when asked to back up you're research as to why the the OP should set his subs crossover to 80Hz, which by the way is still INCORRECT. A real man can admit when he is wrong and that brings us to you. And yes, I do know it's the correct way that I and BIslander have giving and you just can't admit it. Now who's the real child here that can't handle the truth.

there you go again, tip toeing around the question at hand when asked to back up you're research as to why the the op should set his subs crossover to 80hz, which by the way is still incorrect. A real man can admit when he is wrong and that brings us to you. And yes, i do know it's the correct way that i and bislander have giving and you just can't admit it. Now who's the real child here that can't handle the truth.

It amazes me how ignorant you are. Go away.

It amazes me how ignorant you are. Go away.

And it amazes me you call yourself a professional:haha: One who can't backup his claim, which has been proving wrong by even the sub manufacture:rolleyes:

hello all on my infinity sub should I have the lfe switch to off or normal ? and theres also another switch for phase, and the settings are either 0 or 180 what should I have that set to? I am not even sure what these two switches do can someone pls explain it to me thanks everyone.

hello all on my infinity sub should I have the lfe switch to off or normal ? and theres also another switch for phase, and the settings are either 0 or 180 what should I have that set to? I am not even sure what these two switches do can someone pls explain it to me thanks everyone.Have you read the manual? It's less than 10 pages. :)

Here's an earlier post in this thread that answers one of your questions:

http://www.highdefforum.com/938858-post37.html

well I am officially a space cadet! thanks for answering my question twice. I have so many questions about home theater I am finding myself all over the place.