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"Fake" or "Soap Opera" feeling when watching on LCD, but not on Plasma

AJG77
08-28-2009, 03:21 PM
Hi everyone, I'm new to the forum so if this has already been answered somewhere else...I apologize!

While watching a Blu-Ray or HD or even SD programming on my friend's 37" 1080p LCD TV, we noticed that the picture had almost a "fake" look to it. I'm not really sure how to explain it best, but it almost appeared as if you were on set during filming...or watching a home movie...it looked that "real".

I have a 50" 1080P plasma set, but have never been able to obtain that sort of image.

Does anyone know a) what sort of effect I am talking about and b) if this is even possible on a Plasma?

Thanks in advance for your help!

Lee Stewart
08-28-2009, 03:27 PM
Hi everyone, I'm new to the forum so if this has already been answered somewhere else...I apologize!

While watching a Blu-Ray or HD or even SD programming on my friend's 37" 1080p LCD TV, we noticed that the picture had almost a "fake" look to it. I'm not really sure how to explain it best, but it almost appeared as if you were on set during filming...or watching a home movie...it looked that "real".

I have a 50" 1080P plasma set, but have never been able to obtain that sort of image.

Does anyone know a) what sort of effect I am talking about and b) if this is even possible on a Plasma?

Thanks in advance for your help!

Hi and welcome to HDF :hithere:

Does your friend's LCD have 120Hz refresh rate?

It sounds like it does because that is the biggest complaint when watching Blu-rays and the frame rate is increased from 24/sec to 120/sec.

Excellent chance your plasma is 60 hz so the 24 frame/sec is being displayed at 60 frames/sec.

AJG77
08-28-2009, 03:38 PM
Yes, my friends TV (37LG60) is 120 Hz and my Plasma (50PG60), appears to be 180 Hz (I got that number from spec/feature page on the LG site, but it also mentions "HDTV picture resolution simulates performance of up to 3x the panel’s actual refresh rate."

So does that mean that the "native" refresh rate is 60 Hz and its just boosted up 3x?

Lee Stewart
08-28-2009, 03:46 PM
Yes, my friends TV (37LG60) is 120 Hz and my Plasma (50PG60), appears to be 180 Hz (I got that number from spec/feature page on the LG site, but it also mentions "HDTV picture resolution simulates performance of up to 3x the panel’s actual refresh rate."

So does that mean that the "native" refresh rate is 60 Hz and its just boosted up 3x?

here is a review of your HDTV - notice that there is nothing about higher frame rates?

http://reviews.cnet.com/flat-panel-tvs/lg-50pg60/4505-6482_7-32815607.html

As far as I know - at that time - June 2008 - the only plasma that had a higher frame rate than 60 was the Pioneer which had a 72 hz mode especially for high definition media (HD DVD and BD) where the frame rate was increased 3X. This produced a stunning image and got rid of frame judder (caused by 24 into 60 - doesn't fit - has to be massaged - called the 3:2 pulldown)

BD's and HD DVD's are encoded at 24 frames/sec. Almost all other HD is either 30 frames/sec or 60 frames/sec - 1080i* versus 720P + 1080P from sat, cable, OTA, etc.

*1080i is 60 fields/sec and 2 fields = 1 frame. Both 720P and 1080P are 60 frames/sec.

AJG77
08-28-2009, 03:52 PM
here is a review of your HDTV - notice that there is nothing about higher frame rates?

As far as I know - at that time - June 2008 - the only plasma that had a higher frame rate than 60 was the Pioneer which had a 72 hz mode especially for high definition media (HD DVD and BD) where the frame rate was increased 3X. This produced a stunning image and got rid of frame judder (caused by 24 into 60 - doesn't fit - has to be massaged - called the 3:2 pulldown)

BD's and HD DVD's are encoded at 24 frames/sec. Almost all other HD is either 30 frames/sec or 60 frames/sec - 1080i* versus 720P + 1080P from sat, cable, OTA, etc.

*1080i is 60 fields/sec and 2 fields = 1 frame. Both 720P and 1080P are 60 frames/sec.

Ahh...ok...ic....I guess I wasnt sure if that "effect" had to do with the refresh rate or the motion settings on the LCD.

Loves2Watch
08-28-2009, 03:56 PM
Ahh...ok...ic....I guess I wasnt sure if that "effect" had to do with the refresh rate or the motion settings on the LCD.

The motion enhancements rather than the refresh rate is what is causing the "soap opera effect" Turn off all of the enhancements, not just the motion ones and you will be amazed how much better the picture looks.

AJG77
08-28-2009, 03:58 PM
The motion enhancements rather than the refresh rate is what is causing the "soap opera effect" Turn off all of the enhancements, not just the motion ones and you will be amazed how much better the picture looks.

Awesome...thanks so much for your help :)