Look, let's calm down a little here and take a deep breath because there's no need to be hostile for this discussion thread; that's why I started the thread in the first place -- so we can all discuss this film in a civil manner with civil tongues (even though we're not really "speaking" but "typing"...). This is a place to explain to folks who may not have gotten some of the film exactly what was going on -- which you did about Harvey Dent below, and which I'll get to.
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Everything you stated wrong with this movie is because it strayed from what you already knew from the previous movies..
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I never said any of this was "wrong"; I simply compared Burton's original film and some of Schumacher's Batman Forever with this new take on Joker and Two Face -- you're confusing what I said I "didn't like" about some elements of Nolan's Dark Knight with "thinking it was wrong based on the 1989 film"...and that's not what I meant. I am trying to ascertain which of the visions were closer to "source" materials such as the comics, etc.; has there ever been a back story to the Joker? Did he have an identity? Why did Burton tell the story as if his name was "Jack Napier" and he actually killed Bruce's parents? Did this actually happen in comic scripts and plots? Did Batman turn him into the Joker by dropping him into the vat of chemicals, as Burton portrays?
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Also Harvey Dent did not just go randomly killing people after his accident, he went for the people whom were involved in the death of his loved one.. The cops who betrayed her, Maroni for having the cops do what the did and knowing which cops were crooked and than Gordon because he should have saved her and for the fact he had those crooked cops on his team. It was not Random what so ever, it made sense so long as you followed the movie..
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Like I said in my original post, Nolan made the mistake that Sam Raimi did in Spider-Man 3 -- he went off in a million different directions and began to lose a great deal of the audience (at least in the theater I saw it in) with splintering subplots and the like; again -- there's a difference here in direction in that Schumacher's Dent (Lee Jones) was portrayed as an off the wall psycho killing and robbing for fun since Batman couldn't save him from the acid that was thrown at his face...that's NOT how Nolan portrayed him, and, once again, I'm trying to get at which version is closer to accurately portraying the source materials. It was also dissapointing that this "villian" in Nolan's version was only given a half hour or so of screen time before being killed...the Two Face character had a long run in the comics, so I didn't get this; wasn't Two Face a lethal villian for Batman? If so, why did Nolan kill him off without even one confrontation sequence with Bale in the Dark Knight?